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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:03 am

I've finally finished the new Common Threads List. I'm going to try to keep this updated as frequently as is reasonable.

The purpose of this thread is to provide members with a fairly comprehensive list of what has already been posted in the San Guo Yan Yi Symposium (since it's currently 24 pages long). If you are thinking about creating a new topic, but do not know if it has already been discussed, take a look at this list before posting. This will greatly reduce duplicate posting.

The thread is organized as follows:

1. The main post. This is the post you're currently reading! It simply explains the idea behind the Common Threads List. This post will also act as a kind of table of contents for what is collected here.

2. A list of General Topics that have been discussed, with links to those threads that discuss them.

3. A list of "What If?" scenarios that are fairly common, with links to those threads.

4. A list of all threads in the Symposium sorted by character name. If you want to know what we have said about a certain character, this list is for you. This will also save us from making numerous new threads about the same old issues.
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:04 am

San Guo Yan Yi Symposium
Master Threads List -- What If? / Hypothetical Scenarios

Updated 04 January 2004

Battle of the Rulers
Candidate for kidnap rescue mission
Cao Cao and Liu Bei had both died during the YTR
Cao Cao captured Liu Shan before Zhao Yun
Cao Cao died during Guandu
Cao Cao was an aristocrat
Cao Pi listened to Liu Ye
Cao Zhi as heir of Wei
Chen Gong killed Cao Cao
Could Zhang Jiao have been successful?
Create the ultimate kingdom
Dead or Alive? (Save only five characters)
Diao Chan never came along
Dong Zhuo didn't have Lu Bu
Dong Zhuo had triumphed
Dream duels
Expedition Qishan (What if...)
Guan Yu did not die
Guan Yu had killed Cao Cao
Guo Jia was alive (Match for Zhuge Liang?)
Had Pang Tong survived would the outcome have changed?
If Guan Yu didn't aid Liu Bei, would he have succeeded?
If Lu Bu had lived what would have happened?
If not he, then who?
If you could have one person die sooner... who?
If you could have one person live longer... who?
If you could save one officer
If you were a ruler/general
If you were a war journalist
If you were Ling Tong...
In SGYY: Had Gou An...
Liu Bei was on that white horse instead of Pang Tong
Liu Biao did not die
Liu Shan never became ruler
Lu Bu never killed Dong Zhuo
Ma Chao wins at Tong Pass
Sima Yi and Zhuge Liang were together
Shan Fu helped Cao Cao
Sun Ce lived longer
Sun Quan and Liu Bei were friends
The brothers Zhang and Guan hadn't died
The sequence of events, in your hands
The Time Machine
The "What If" Thread
Wei would have unified China if...
Wei Yan's plan to take Changan
What do you think Yuan Shu should have done?
What would happen if Jin weren't there?
What would happen if Zhao Yun died at Chang Ban?
What would have happened if there were no three kingdoms?
What would you do if you are Xun Yu?
What would you do to Xian Di?
Which ruler would you want to work for?
Who would you be? (Out of Cao Cao, Liu Bei, and Sun Quan)
Would China have been better off...
Would Liu Bei turn to Cao Cao?
Would the Battle at Red Cliffs be Changed if Guo Jia lived?
Would the country stay united longer if...
Xu Shu didn't leave Liu Bei
Yuan Shao had actually beaten Cao Cao
Zhang Fei didn't get drunk
Zhuge Liang was a villain
Zhuge went the other way
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:05 am

San Guo Yan Yi Symposium
Master Threads List -- By Character

Updated 04 January 2004

Cai Mao
Cai Mao

Cao Cao
And Liu Bei
And treachery
And Zhuge Liang: Differences
As the keystone of the three kingdoms?
Cao Cao
Cao/Xiahou Family Tree
China's hero or worst villain?
Favourite son of...
Guan Yu with...
He was not that smart
His accomplishments and deeds
His ambitions
His desire, Liu Bei's ambition
His greatest foil
His life
His loss at Chibi
His motives
His sons
If Chen Gong killed him
If Guan Yu had killed him
If he captured Liu Shan before Zhao Yun
If he died during Guandu?
If he was an aristocrat?
If Shan Fu helped him
Is Pang De really loyal to him?
Liu Bei and...
Mao and...
Novel and history
Shan Fu and...
Sima Zhao and...
Some other tales about him
The angel
The battle of Zhang Fei and...
Xiahou Dun and...
Was he as clever as he was made out to be?
Was he such a bad guy?
What if Yuan Shao had actually beaten him?
When did he change his mind?
Wonderful lord or dreadful monster? (historical)
Would Liu Bei turn to him?

Cao Pi
Compared to Cao Zhi
His autobiography
What if he listened to Liu Ye?

Cao Ren
His SGZ biography
History of his family
Why is he so revered?

Cao Zhang
His death

Cao Zhi
As heir of Wei
Cao Pi compared to...

Chen Deng
Whose side was he on?

Chen Gong
If he killed Cao Cao
Is he honourable?

Deng Ai
Jiang Wei, Deng Ai, Lu Kang
Who is better, Jiang Wei or...

Dian Wei
Dian Wei
Is he underappreciated?
Zhao Yun, Dian Wei, or Zhou Tai: Bravest?

Diao Chan
Diao Chan
Fact or Fiction?
Her SGYY bio
Historical figure or fictional character?

Dong Zhuo
His SGYY bio
If he didn't have Lu Bu
If he had triumphed?
If Lu Bu never killed him?

Emperor Xian
See Liu Xie

Fa Zheng
Fa Zheng

Fei Yi
Fei Yi

Fu Xi
And Nu Wa

Gan Ning
Gan Ning

Gongsun Yuan
Sima Yi vs. Gongsun Yuan

Gongsun Zan
His death
His SGYY biography
His SGZ exploits
Liu Bei versus...

Guan Jing
Guan Jing

Guan Ping
And the Guan Family

Guan Suo
Guan Suo
Real?

Guan Xing
Or Zhang Bao

Guan Yu
And Chibi
At Guandu
Friendly discussion about him
Good or bad?
Guan Di and...
Guan Yu
Guan Yu, Zhang Liao and Xu Huang
His children
His prestige in SGYY
His Red Hare
His weapon
If he did not die
If he didn't aid Liu Bei
If he had killed Cao Cao
If the brothers Zhang and Guan hadn't died
Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu not sworn brothers?
With Cao Cao
With Wei
Would he have won at Fan?

Guo Jia
If he was alive? Match for Zhuge Liang?
Xu Shu or...
What do you think of him?

He Jin
How could he fail?

He Qi
He Qi

Hu Chu Er
Hu Chu-Er

Hua Tuo
His biography
Healing god (SGZ bio)

Huang Gai
His SGZ bio

Huang Zhong
And Yan Yan

Huangfu Song
Huangfu Song

Jiang Wan
His plan

Jiang Wei
And Zhuge Liang's Wei campaigns
His worst mistake
Jiang Wei, Deng Ai, Lu Kang
Ma Su and...
The killer of a kingdom?
Was he all that bad?
Who is better, him or Deng Ai?

Jia Xu
Jia Xu

Ju Shou
Ju Shou, Shen Pei and Tian Feng

Li Ru
Loyal or slimy rat?

Li Yan
Li Yan

Ling Tong
If you were him
Ling Tong

Liu Bei
A historically better ruler?
A temple for him and Shu
And Cao Cao
And Xinye citizens
And Xuzhou
And Yiling
As a dictator
Cao Cao and...
Cao Cao's desire, his ambition
Could he be successful without his brothers?
Did he and his generals have any talent?
Did he truly love the common folks?
He is better later on
His cannibalism?
His curse?
His desires in regards to Liu Shan's future
His family tree
His little kindnesses
His SGYY biography
His sons after Zhuge Liang's death
His successors' conflict
If Guan Yu didn't aid him
If he was on the white horse instead of Pang Tong
If Sun Quan and he were friends
If Xu Shu didn't leave him
Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu not sworn brothers?
Lu Bu or Liu Bei, who is the bigger traitor?
SGZ on his final campaign?
Shu's downfall?
Trust between him and Liu Qi?
Versus Gongsun Zan
What happened to his sons?
Who is responsible for his victory at Yizhou?
Why did he leave Yuan Shao
Why did his defeat at Yiling happen?
Would he turn to Cao Cao?

Liu Biao
Expansionist or pacifist?
His legitimate heir?
If he did not die
Liu Biao
Liu Biao (another thread)
Sun Quan and Zhang Zhao versus...

Liu Qi
His death: poison?
Trust between Liu Bei and...

Liu Shan
His beginning
If Cao Cao captured him before Zhao Yun
If he never became ruler
Liu Bei's desires in regards to his future

Liu Xie
What would you do to him?

Liu Ye
If Cao Pi listened to him?

Lu Bu
And Lu Xun
Did he have any kids?
His daughter
His parents
If Dong Zhuo didn't have him
If he had lived
Or Liu Bei, who is the bigger traitor?
Powerful or Pathetic?
What are those antennae like things on his head?
What if he never killed Dong Zhuo?
Zhao Yun, Ma Chao and...

Lu Kang
Jiang Wei, Deng Ai, Lu Kang
More info on him
Visionary general or traitor to his kingdom?

Lu Meng
Was he right?
Was he Wu's most talented officer?

Lu Xun
His SGZ bio
Lu Bu and...
Relationship between him and Zhuge Liang
Zhou Yu or...: The debate

Ma Chao
His invasion of Wei
Ma Chao
Question about him
Why Ma Chao?
Your opinion of...
Zhao Yun, Ma Chao and Lu Bu

Ma Su
And Jiang Wei
Smart or not?
Zhuge Liang's original successor

Meng Huo
Zhuge Liang capturing him 7 times in history

Nu Wa
Fu Xi and...

Pang De
Is he really loyal to Cao Cao?

Pang Degong
Pang Degong

Pang Tong
Had he survived, would the outcome have changed?
His death
His fourth plan
If Liu Bei was on the white horse instead of him
In Wu
Pang Tong

Red Hare
Could Red Hare have actually existed?
Guan Yu's Red Hare
Red Hare

Shan Fu
See Xu Shu

Shen Pei
Ju Shou, Shen Pei and Tian Feng

Shi Ren
Preview of Yang Yi and Shi Ren's bios

Shi Xie
His SGZ bio

Sima Yi
Do you think heaven won't let him die?
His allegiance
His family tree
In defence of...
Let's talk Sima
On traitorness [sic]
Question on him defeating Zhuge Liang
Vs. Gongsun Yuan
What if he and Zhuge Liang were together?
Zhuge Liang's enemies
Zhuge versus...

Sima Zhao
And Cao Cao

Sun Ce
His daughter
If he lived longer
Sun Ce

Sun Jian
His SGYY bio
Sun Jian

Sun Quan
And Zhang Zhao vs. Liu Biao
His hair colour
If he and Liu Bei were friends
The great betrayal: him and Jingzhou
What was his ambition?
Why does he not get the lovin' he should?
Wu after he died

Sun Shang Xiang
Sun Red is not Lady Sun (SSX)?
Sun Shang Xiang

Sun Yi
The death of...

Taishi Ci
Taishi Ci
Taishi Ci (another thread)

Tian Feng
Ju Shou, Shen Pei and...

Wang Ping
His SGZ bio

Wei Yan
His plan to take Changan
How would you justify his actions?
Unfair treatment of...
What was his intention before death?
Why him over Zhang Fei?

Wen Chou
Yan Liang and...

Wen Pin
Wen Pin

Xiahou Ba
Xiahou Ba

Xiahou Dun
And Cao Cao
His eye?
Like him better, or Yuan?

Xiahou Mao
And other underdogs

Xiahou Yuan
Like Dun better, or him?

Xian Di
See Liu Xie

Xiao Qiao
Her tomb

Xi Zhicai
Xi Zhicai

Xu Chu
Crazy Tiger?

Xu Gong
Xu Gong

Xu Huang
Guan Yu, Zhang Liao and...
Was he talented?

Xu Shu
And Cao Cao
If he didn't leave Liu Bei
If he helped Cao Cao
Or Guo Jia
What happened to you?
Xu Shu

Xun Yu
What would you do if you were him?

Yan Liang
And Wen Chou

Yan Yan
Huang Zhong and...

Yang Xiu
His death

Yang Yi
Preview of Yang Yi and Shi Ren's bios

Yuan Shao
And Yuan Shu: heroes?
Comprehensive officer biography
Could he have conquered China?
Fool or genius?
His fifth son?
His officers
Historical Yuan Shao
Someone save him!
What if he had actually beaten Cao Cao?
Where was he during the Yellow Turban Rebellion?
Why did Liu Bei leave him?

Yuan Shu
His betrayal
Yuan Shao and...: heroes?

Yu Ji
Yu Ji

Zhang Bao
Guan Xing or...

Zhang Fei
Able strategist and perfect warrior
If the brothers Zhang and Guan hadn't died
Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu not sworn brothers?
The battle of Zhang Fei and Cao Cao
What if he didn't get drunk?
Why Wei Yan over him?

Zhang He
The mystery of his name
Zhang He

Zhang Jiao
Could he have been successful?
Ideological terrorist or well-meaning mystic?

Zhang Liao
Guan Yu, Zhang Liao and Xu Huang

Zhang Xiu
Zhang Xiu

Zhang Zhao
Sun Quan and him vs. Liu Biao
Zhang Zhao

Zhao Yun
2 battles anecdotes of...
As a girl?
Did he seal Shu's fate?
His death
If Cao Cao captured Liu Shan before him
Is he handsome?
What would happen if he died at Changban?
Zhao Yun
Zhao Yun, Dian Wei, or Zhou Tai: Bravest?
Zhao Yun, Ma Chao and Lu Bu

Zhen Ji
Her death
Her family
Her marriage
Her real name

Zhou Tai
The Wu warrior known as...
Zhao Yun, Dian Wei, or...: Bravest?
Zhou Tai

Zhou Yu
And Zhuge Liang
His musical talent
His obsession
His plans for Wu domination
If he was not at Chibi
Learning more about the historical Zhou Yu
Or Lu Xun: The debate
Who did more, him or Zhuge Liang
Zhou Yu the great
Zhuge Liang's enemies

Zhuge Jin
And Zhuge Liang

Zhuge Liang
About him
Cao Cao and...: Differences
Capturing Meng Huo 7 times in history
Do you support him?
He helps other country
His eightfold maze
His enemies
His old friends
His Wei campaigns
His wife?
If Guo Jia was alive? Match for him?
If he was a villain?
If he went the other way?
Jiang Wei and Zhuge Liang's Wei Campaigns
Mechanical transport invented by him
Our treatment of him
Overrated
Question on Sima Yi defeating him
Really Shu's strategist?
Relationship between Lu Xun and...
The greatest strategist ever?
The so-called "Great Advisors"
The sons of Liu Bei after his death
The true values of his northern expeditions
Treacherous and immoral
Vs. Sima Yi
Was he for Han?
What if Sima Yi and he were together?
Who did more, Zhou Yu or...
Why didn't he join Wu or Wei?
Why is he so feared?
Zhou Yu and...
Zhuge Jin and...
Zhuge Liang

Zhu Ran
Zhu Ran

Zu Mao
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:34 am

I bet none of these links even work anymore. We'd probably be better off just starting a new list from scratch rather than updating this one.
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Unread postby James » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:44 am

Kong Wen wrote:I bet none of these links even work anymore. We'd probably be better off just starting a new list from scratch rather than updating this one.

Realizing the trouble of maintaining this list, I created this:
http://kongming.net/novel/sosz/

Do you think it is equal to the task?
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:46 am

That populates automatically? Does it just harvest from thread titles?
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Unread postby James » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:55 am

Kong Wen wrote:That populates automatically? Does it just harvest from thread titles?

Yep, it automatically populates from the forum, and updates itself at set periods of time. Its data is cached, but its searches find up-to-date current information. Special categories (I have a section for them) are tougher to manage, but I did a somewhat decent job. And really, to add a thread to a category all we have to do is change its title to use one of numerous keywords.
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:57 am

OK, the only reason I ask is because some threads / thread names wouldn't necessarily index by character name.
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Unread postby James » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:19 am

Kong Wen wrote:OK, the only reason I ask is because some threads / thread names wouldn't necessarily index by character name.

Yeah, which is the limitation of this program.

So, for greater accuracy, we’ve got two choices. We can maintain/update this list (which should be much easier with that KMA tool which can simply be expanded upon), or we can use the KMA tool. If we use the KMA tool, we have to get in the habit of adding character to thread titles so they are archived properly. Basically, threads just need descriptive titles.

There is another benefit to this too—the encyclopedia project recognizes SoSZ threads through the same means, so we are also exposing those threads to entries in the encyclopedia.

The KMA list, though, cannot be as comprehensive as a human list could potentially become.
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