Was it Xu Shu's fault that his mommy died? (Novel)

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Was it Xu Shu's fault that his mommy died? (Novel)

Unread postby Lady Wu » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:16 pm

Kong: Xu Shu's mommy died from Cheng Yu's manipulation of Xu Shu's filial piety, therefore it's xtremely not Xu Shu's fault.

Wu: Xu Shu was not filial enough to see through Cheng Yu's manipulation of Xu Shu's filial piety, therefore it's xtremely Xu Shu's fault.

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Re: Was it Xu Shu's fault that his mommy died? (Novel)

Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:24 pm

Lady Wu wrote:Wu: Xu Shu was not filial enough to see through Cheng Yu's manipulation of Xu Shu's filial piety, therefore it's xtremely Xu Shu's fault.

Filiality (filialness?) isn't a skill that applies to the detection and interpretation of plots. It's like saying Xu Shu didn't have a long enough beard to see through Cheng Yu's manipulation.
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Unread postby Chris the King » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:56 pm

While I don't think it's Xu Shu's fault, I find it weird that a genius such as him gets duped so easily. I guess he needs to take some of the responsibility, even though she killed herself :?

The novel says that Zhuge Liang specifically made sure that Jiang Wei's mother was safely evacuated from Tian Shui during their retreat. Zhuge Liang also made sure that his own family was safe from harm, way before Cao Cao thought about taking revenge on them. Don't think it should take a Zhuge Liang to figure that if you're going to join Cao Cao's enemy's side, and your family lives in Cao Cao's territory, you should get them out beforehand.
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Unread postby Shadowlink » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:55 am

Hey Hey cheng yu was just too smart. Remember he tricks alot of people and writes like a old lady. Xu shu was a good boy.... he went to his mother to be with her.
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Unread postby Pi Ka Chu » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:04 am

And Chang Yu said that Xu Shu was ten times smarter. :P
It isn't Xu Shu fault, other then he should have been able to deduce the truth. But in the event of the incarinated mother, he could not have been expected to reason it out, unless he is a cruel bastard child. His mother should have also appriciated that her son cared enough to come back to her.
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:13 am

Pi Ka Chu wrote:And Chang Yu said that Xu Shu was ten times smarter. :P
It isn't Xu Shu fault, other then he should have been able to deduce the truth.

It's hard to work out the truth when all you have to go on is a piece of perfectly replicated handwriting, no matter how smart you are.

Xu Shu's mom was a bit of a jerk.
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Unread postby Pi Ka Chu » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:21 am

Kong Wen wrote:
Pi Ka Chu wrote:And Chang Yu said that Xu Shu was ten times smarter. :P
It isn't Xu Shu fault, other then he should have been able to deduce the truth.

It's hard to work out the truth when all you have to go on is a piece of perfectly replicated handwriting, no matter how smart you are.

Xu Shu's mom was a bit of a jerk.

Ther are suttble differences such as what angle the the strokes were made and the amount of pressure put on the brush.
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:30 am

Pi Ka Chu wrote:Ther are suttble differences such as what angle the the strokes were made and the amount of pressure put on the brush.

Xu Shu lived away from home. He probably hadn't seen his mother's writih in a very long time. Plus, Cheng Yu was no intellectual push-over himself. If he was learning to be a forge, he would have done a good job.
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Unread postby Pi Ka Chu » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:42 am

Kong Wen wrote:
Pi Ka Chu wrote:Ther are suttble differences such as what angle the the strokes were made and the amount of pressure put on the brush.

Xu Shu lived away from home. He probably hadn't seen his mother's writih in a very long time. Plus, Cheng Yu was no intellectual push-over himself. If he was learning to be a forge, he would have done a good job.


What about grammar and syntax. Besides, I would remember how to forge my parents writting, I do it all the time (not well though).

Anyways, Cheng Yu is at fualt not Xu Shu.
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Unread postby Chris the King » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:55 am

But doesn't Xu Shu share some of the blame, though? He participated in life-and-death matters against the state, which was ruled by a ruthless de facto dictator. Wasn't it his responsibility to make sure his mother would be safe?

To put it in today's terms, let's say you were an undercover cop, and you just busted a bunch of mafia guys. Your cover is now blown and they're in the slammer, but you don't bother to take measures to protect your family. Wouldn't you share in the blame?
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