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Unread postby Lodril » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Cao Hong wrote:I'm just asking but what would have happened if the Yellow Turbans had won their battle?


It would have been another divide... despite what the novel paints, the Yellow Turban rebellion was actually two separate rebellions, both with the same basic symbolism. One was in the east, and the other in the west.

Had Zhang Jiao (the western rebel, and the one in the novel) won, then... I don't know, the Chinese would have been taking a lot more baths. His preaching was pretty communist, but I think he probably would have reverted to old forms of government once he took power.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Fri Apr 25, 2003 4:40 pm

The eastern one? You mean in Liang Province?
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Unread postby rcsha » Fri Apr 25, 2003 11:09 pm

Azrael wrote:The eastern one? You mean in Liang Province?


That would be western. On most maps west is left and east is right, heh.

Nonetheless, I think he is referring to Han Sui's rebellion with the Qiang in the west.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:44 pm

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Azrael wrote:That's where your mistaken actually. Yuan Shao used Yan Liang against the Wuhuan. He was quite successful. But the chinese tend to ignore the barbarians unless it's a huge campaign so it didn't end up in SGZ(although it is in another book that is more focused on the Xian Bi, Xiong Nu, and Wuhuan written by a "crazy" chinese scholar).


Could you give some more info on that book, Denny?


Yeah, it's gonna have to be next time, cause I don't have Northern Frontier handy, but rafe says in the book that he had to use mostly non-standard chinese histories(you know, not HHS, not HS, not SGZ, cause they don't really have much to say bout the barbs). Must be some sort of cultural blind spot.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Sat Apr 26, 2003 2:46 pm

rcsha wrote:
Azrael wrote:The eastern one? You mean in Liang Province?


That would be western. On most maps west is left and east is right, heh.

Nonetheless, I think he is referring to Han Sui's rebellion with the Qiang in the west.


Han Sui and Ma Teng. And that's what I thought. I got a kick out of that one. The Qiang rebel, and numerous chinese join them. And their leaders are made out to be loyal servants of the Han by LGZ. :lol:
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Unread postby Yu Angel » Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:33 pm

was gourd valley located in/near wu zhang plains?

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Unread postby Boushin Dragonfly » Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:40 pm

I've seen reference in a few of the video games to a character named either Mi Zhe or Mi Zhu. Who was this man, or who were these men, and what relevance did they have in the books or in history?
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Unread postby Sam » Sat Apr 26, 2003 9:40 pm

Liu Xuande wrote:I've seen reference in a few of the video games to a character named either Mi Zhe or Mi Zhu. Who was this man, or who were these men, and what relevance did they have in the books or in history?


Mi Zhu's SGZ bio
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Unread postby grand master of san guo » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:49 am

when ma chao rise army to chang an how much solider he got? and where did cao cao go? why did he let xianhu yuan defend chan an?
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Unread postby Jon » Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:21 am

did the sun family ever come back to power in later times? and what became of the zhou family(zhou yu's sons and so on...)? are there any officials/ people in china related to these 2 families, today(i doubt anyone would know), or for that matter, any powerful family of that time?
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