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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:07 pm

Corbyn vs Swinson, Scottish referendum, retiring MP
-Papers on reaction to Corbyn's move and home office official stabbed at office

-Corbyn's plan reaction: Sturgeon willing to put Corbyn into number 10 but he has to stop prevaricating about Remain and referendum, Beeb says Corbyn would be less damaging then no deal-Brexit so would consider it, Dame Spelman says she could not back Corbyn, sir Grieve says Corbyn does not inspire trust.

Swinson however says Corbyn lacks the required support among opposition MP's and she will meet him to discuss alternative candidates like Ken Clarke or Harman, Sturgeon says Swinson shouldn't be ruling out anything at this stage and needs to rethink, Rayner says Swinson should stop playing politics and respect that Corbyn is elected leader of opposition

Some questions if Corbyn can pull this off but is a feeling Swinson has botched this and allowed herself to be portrayed as putting dislike for Corbyn above stopping Brexit

-Corbyn says parliament shouldn't block Scottish referendum but doesn't think a second referendum is a good idea, Sturgeon says Corbyn's comments are just basic democracy and it is perfectly legitimate to oppose independence but not to block democratic day

-Boris says he wants deal but EU needs to compromise, Creagh calls his accusation of collaborating with EU to block Brexit a wicked lie

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-Mayor Burnham and other regional leaders call for a northern budget with 7 billion for Northern transport infrastructure

-Caroline Lucas has complained to twitter about Aaron Banks tweet about Greta Thunberg, he says it was a joke, Sheriff calls it vile.

-Albert Owen retiring at next election, been MP for marginal Ynys Mon since 2001 and says the intensity has taken toll, he wants to spend more time with family. Served on Welsh and Dfid Committee , first to use Welsh Language during parliamentary committee debate

-Soubry won't join Lib Dems as feels her party offers something different on the centre ground but says Swinson has many qualities that would make her a good PM

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-Owen Jones Boris justice reforms turns system further into an attack on the poor

-Lewis Goodall Remainer disunity will see them lose

-Jonthan Lis Swinson needs to accept Corbyn's offer

-Paul Goodman Boris benefits from Remainer chaos
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:31 pm

Javid makes hints, Remainers continue to infight
-Javid wants simpler and lower taxes, looking at how he can use low borrowing costs, doesn't rule out moving stamp duty onto sellers, not sure when he will have budget

-Politicians condemn the murder of PC Andrew Harper which dominated front pages

-Corbyn disappointed by Swinson's response but hopes she will rethink, wants to reverse "the retail apocalypse". Ken Clarke says open to being caretaker PM but would seek to renegotiate deal with EU, Mayor Khan says Swnison's plan for caretaker that isn't Corbyn isn't viable

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-Hinsliff worried about Thunberg being dragged into Brexiteers culture war

-Rentoul Remainers played into Boris hands

-Henry Hill feels Sturgeon has used Remainer chaos well

-Festus Akinbusoye defends chicken box strategy

-Aine Lagan worried by state of Stormont

-Rob Newman lessons from ChangeUK
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:14 pm

Both sides make Brexit moves, Owen Jones attacked
-Papers on Brexit stories, Observer backs Corbyn on Brexit alliance

-Boris warns EU have one last chance for a deal and to stop a historic mistake, accuses Hammond of gravely damaging UK interests by endless attempts to frustrate Brexit and that attempts to stop no deal are making it harder to get deal with Europe. Is flying out to meet Macron and Merkel before G7 summit

-Corbyn says Remainers need to unite to stop no deal before it is too late, more then 100 MP's call for recall of parliament due to emergency of no deal Brexit

-Journalist Owen Jones assaulted, hopefully those involved are caught and Jones makes a full recovery, shadow cabinet send their concerns and well wishes

-I do "admire" how Brexiteers are blaming Hammond for any potential downside of their project Brexit, how it is not their responsibility or fault if anything goes wrong. That it is not Boris fault but figures like Hammond or Remainers if talks with Brussels failures

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- Annunziata Rees-Mogg on Boris upcoming visit to France and Germany I do not expect the EU to behave in a rational manner, I anticipate it attempting to drown the goose that lays the golden eggs".

-Davis (sun) hammers Hammond, warns against rebl MP's allying with Corbyn, Merkel will come to UK aid this time honest, will thrive if no deal

-Sir Letwin would not back Corbyn as caretaker and opponents of no deal need to have frank discussions, Sir Grieve says there are other people who command more trust for caretaker leadership then himself or Corbyn

-Sir Grieve says Boris is behaving like a demagogue and his populism is worrying many Tory MP's

-Sir Redwood doubts there is a majority to block no deal

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-Keir Mudie Corbyn's move was clever

-Rawnsley Labour badly prepared for election right now
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:04 pm

big Corbyn speech, no deal warnings leak, Brexit
-Javid rules out putting stamp duty on sellers

-Papers on Downing Street fury at leak and Boris visit to EU leaders

-Number 10 blames ex-Remainer ministers for leaking Operation YellowHammer, civil servants in that report warn of food and medicine shortages, fuel shortages with job cuts, hard border in Ireland+protests, three month disruption at ports and then 50-70% flow if no deal.

Gove says that is the worst possible outcome rather then likely result of no deal and is out of date since Boris became PM (number 10 also goes with out of date, Sundat Times says it is a very recent report), former head of civil service Lord Kerslake says report is credible, Kwarteng calls it scaremongering.

-Corbyn says we face a Brexit crises and he will do everything he can to stop no deal, says fake populist Boris has taken Tories to hard right and is Britain's Trump, a general election could be once in a generation chance of change comparable to 1945 (he was going to say 1979 but left that one out...). We face even bigger problems then no deal Brexit and need radical reform, next election will be about trust, will call vote of confidence, Boris policies show Labour has won argument on austerity, would make it compulsory for councils to provide youth services.

Refuses to rule out Labour being neutral during referendum or to commit to backing Remain himself (though has in past it would be remain if no deal or Tory deal), mentions Boris poshness a few dozen times (I note that as a tactic/election message rather then a complaint), says media would hammer Labour if UN condemned it on inequality in way it has Tories and demands to know why the media has given Tories a soft ride on this.

-Cleverly says Corbyn offers more dither and delay, Gove says MP's opposed to no deal are giving EU heart and making talks more difficult, Abbott says she would campaign for remain, Caroline Lucas says parliament must be recalled to avoid crises with Boris having had only three hours of scrutiny as PM. McDonnell says Labour backs recall petition and could be neutral during referendum but he will campaign for remain, Corbyn will talk to other leaders about caretaker government, confidence vote not only way to stop no deal.

-Boris confident EU will shift on backstop (he was also confident about German car manufacturers forcing a strong deal once upon a time), will be ready for no deal bar a few bumps in the road, number 10 (admit rumours Patel was going this way) says free movement ends on Brexit day if no deal and parliament will not be recalled.

-Juncker will not be able to meet Boris at G7 as had been planned due to emergency surgery. I wish him a full recovery

-Electoral Commission wants 9 months between legislation for Scottish referendum passing and polling day (12 weeks to come up with fair question, 8 weeks to test it, six weeks to assign lead campaigners, six months run up so all sides understand rules) which will hamper Sturgeon's planned timing

-Boris urges people to ignore internet mumbo-jumbo and get kids vaccinated

-Mayor James Palmer adult education reforms


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-Eleanor Penny condemns attack on Owen Jones

-D'Ancona the great betrayal narrative has begun while those who oppose no deal must accept Corbyn as head

-Goodman on state of no deal
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:21 pm

Boris letter to Tusk does not go down well, Brexit, Sturgeon
-Leadsom reassuring MP's about British Steel takeover and Turley positive but Dr Lewis has concerns about it being in Turkish hands

-Papers on Boris letter to EU

-Boris letter to EU calls for "anti-democratic" backstop to be scrapped as inconsistent with UK sovereignty but he could offer new set of UK commitments to search for a border solution, UK willing to move quickly, backstop risks the Good Friday Agreement, later releases clip blaming MP's for giving EU encouragement to believe no deal can be stopped by UK and EU figures are being a bit negative but he is still optimistic.

Vadaker tells Boris in call that is not going to happen and Ireland point out he actually hasn't offered a alternative to backstop. Opposition parties call it fantasy, Sir Stramer sarcastic "This letter confirms that Johnson has no negotiating strategy. He suggests (unspecified) alternatives to the backstop. And if they don’t work: further (unspecified) alternatives to the backstop. Why didn’t anyone think of that before! ", Eu Diplomats leak that either this is fantasy or Boris is trying to blame game EU for no deal. Then Tusk replies "The backstop is an insurance to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland unless and until an alternative is found. Those against the backstop and not proposing realistic alternatives in fact support re-establishing a border. Even if they do not admit it", Number 10 then tells him no negotiation till backstop is lifted, Merkel says EU will try to fond backstop solution next meeting,

Brexit party warns even removing backstop won't stop this being worst deal in history and it shows Tories can't be trusted, Drakeford says Boris has no mandate for himself or no deal so hypocritical to accuse backstop of being anti-democratic, DUP calls for backstop to go and says Dublin should be concerned that all unionists want backstop gone, Sinn Fein says Boris is hypocritical accusing EU of risking peace process given Boris stances have risked the Good Friday agreement. Swinson says Boris knew the demand would fail and he wants EU to look back, Andrew RT Davies says failure to Brexit would be a brutal betrayal of democracy and risk the fabric of the UK

-UK diplomats in EU countries doing no deal exercises, Freight Transport Association says government has kept the industry in the dark, press noting leaked Operation Yellowhammer report can't be old as some of details are only a month (when Boris was in charge) old. Sinn Feinn says leak shows Boris approach is reckless, Foster says leak is out of date and leaked to undermine Boris in EU talks.

Abbott warns ending freedom of movement on Brexit day would make Windrush look like a minor blip and create chaos (Corbyn suggests Windrush on steroids), UK can't tighten criminal checks on EU figures afterwards as would lose access to EU databases (Cleverly says it would make sense for EU to allow continued access), says Corbyn is trying to keep party united but she would campaign for remain

-Patel pushing forward with plans for imposed curfews, via court orders, for children as young as 12 who have been caught carrying knives

-UK has lost it's status of eliminated measles

-Ministers and officials to stop attending most EU functions from next month other then when UK interests require it, will free up officials for other duties with no deal heading down the tract, UK votes go to Finland who hold EU Presidency to prevent blockage of EU work (press noting that means UK risks giving up control and say on matters that impact UK including during any transition period), Boris will attend EU Council

-Sturgeon says there is no place for anti-English in Scotland or SNP, Scotland has a lot of work to do on racism and bigotry, unrealistic expectations that party leaders can police members online

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-Faisal Islam business related preparations for no deal

-Sean O'Grady in despair as he dismisses Corbyn's Brexit plan

-Poppy Trowbridge wonders if senior Tories opposed to no deal will make a stand

-Harry Phipps Brexit will mean less excuses for local government red tape
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:00 pm

-Papers on UK withdrawing from EU meetings (which Express welcomes), energy infrastructure crises or Boris doubling down on backstop must go for there to be a deal, Mail saying US has barred Carrie Symonds

-BBC Reality Check on Europe's preparations for no deal, government automatically enrolling UK firms in a customs system which has been welcomed by business groups, Corbyn says Boris needs to wise up and stop posturing with an arbitrary date as making talks worse but only commits to Remain if other option is no deal. Drakeford says Welsh Labour would campaign for Remain even over a Labour Brexit deal, Scottish and Welsh Governments not happy they haven't been consulted on no deal tariff plans like no tariffs on imported petrol.

Norbert Röttgen, chair of the German foreign affairs committee, urges Boris not to use term like collaborators again, Boris letter isn't a serious offer and Boris knows it while UK language hasn't changed. Convey feels no deal has become much more likely due to Boris approach but EU will try be imaginative on how they can reassure parliament but won't abandon solution that works and is proven like backstop for vague promise of a solution. When Gove is asked about his past anti-no deal comments, he says the people voted to leave and he can't choose which democratic votes he follows though he still wants deal and alternatives to backstop need goodwill on all sides, tariff regime to be relooked at. France says no deal most likely but UK would still owe the £39 billion, Corbyn invites all opposition leaders to meeting next week and to leading Tory Remainers.

-Merkel hopes relations with UK will always be friendly but UK needs to tell the EU it's ideas, potentially changes to political declaration could solve backstop issues, solution could be found in next 30 days (Boris was noted to be grinning on hearing that). Boris says Germany and UK stand together on so many issues, ample scope to do deal and very quickly once backstop is gone, not a fan of time limited backstop as has flaws of it's own, May didn't push alternatives enough and will discuss them tonight with Merkel, often in EU issues a solution comes at the last moment, Russia shouldn't join G7, accepts Merkel's 30 days timetable for UK to find a soluation.

-Phil Hogan, Ireland's European commissioner for agriculture goes for Boris, no deal would create a foul atmosphere between UK and EU, Boris gambling with the peace of N.Ireland, Boris only Churchillian legacy would be ‘never have so few done so much damage to so many’ and is putting party above country. Boris is unelected whereas backstop had been agreed by a PM who was democratically elected, EU won't buckle under Boris pressure, EU still doesn't know what kind of Brexit UK wants.

-Councils are resorting to shipping containers to house people

-Local Government committee want major review of council tax to help councils get more money

-This moth's budget surplus of £1.3 billion smaller then hoped as government spending rises and looks like going to miss borrowing targets for year (but those were Hammond's, not Javid's) while Scotland's deficit is seven times higher then rest of UK

-Robert Jenrick hammered after a dreadful Today programme interview, not helped by dodging around Boris use of the word collaboration

-Shapps announces HS2 review to be report by Christmas, general expectation is that this will be used to kill off HS2

-Tories winning polls, is a feeling Boris has done better then Corbyn at the summer recess announcement

-ONS says it has underestimated EU migration and overestimated migration from outside EU since 2016

-In case you see Boris not standing for anthem, Merkel is now sitting for miliatry honours and the like due to recent shaking so Boris was paying deference to his host. Fair play to his good manners on that one

-Jo Swinson selects her cabinet: Sir Ed Davey gets Treasury and business matters (promotion for former rival and he served in coalition cabinet in that role while has a long history working on economy for Lib Dems). Umunna gets sideways move to foreign office related posts that had been left vacant by Swinson's victory (not an area Umunna has significant history with but keeps him a star player and perhaps may be used as a contrast from Labour), Christine Jardine succeeds Sir Ed Davey by taking home affairs and gets equalities which is a promotion from works and pensions. Sir Cable may have hoped for better then Health and doesn't strike me as a him area, potential rival Layla Moran gets education, has a master's degree in the subject and former teacher.

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-Aditya Chakrabortty says Westminster is making the same mistakes and unfair treatment with Corbyn as they did for Miliband. Personally I find the treatment of Miliband worse then I do Corbyn for the most part

-Behr fears fatalism and sense of inevitability may see no deal happen

-Mark Devenport N.Ireland impact of Boris letter and his use of N.Ireland unionists arguments on backstop

-James McKevitt compares Corbyn and Mélenchon

-Robert Peston Boris opponents play into his hands

-Sunder Katwala government risks over-promising on immigration
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:21 pm

Boris visits France, Tory remainers reluctant to meet Corbyn, row over SNP and nationalism
-Papers on the 30 days which is seen as victory for Boris (I suspect EU is giving Boris rope...) but expecting harsher reaction in France and on HS2 review

-Williamson announces plans to train teachers in dealing with unruly class and wishes everyone best of luck with GSCE exams

-Macron says renegotiating deal is not an option and no deal would make UK a vassal state of the US which he isn't sure UK wants before press conference. Once press conference starts he says relationship with UK is central and immutable, a privileged long lasting relationship , regrets UK leaving and would have voted Remain but decision must be implemented so he concentrates on EU impact, UK's future will always be European due to geography. Barnier will be involved in talks but won't be a new withdrawal agreement in 30 days that can differ from current one to any real degree but can be amened and backstop is indispensable and any replacement has to fulfil goals of N.Ireland peace and protecting single market, is annoyed at being portrayed as the hard man in the talks but feels if good will they something can be found.

Boris says he wants deal and was powerfully encouraged by how talks with Merkel went but must carry out referendum result, relationship with France is extraordinary and they will keep working hand in glove with France in G7 and elsewhere, admires Merkel's can do spirit (after Macron remarked about no new deal in 30 days) and keen to say UK will not impose checks. Is a sense among journalists and the likes that Merkel and Macron have agreed tactics to shift any blame for what happens on Boris, to look like they have tried to help and willing to listen if UK can find an alternative

-Gove promises doing everything he can to ensure smooth flow through ports, Merkel says her 30 days was not meant to be taken literally but about getting things done as quickly as possible.

Corbyn cancels trip to Ghana to seek meeting with opposition leaders but Boles says he won't attend as 1) he opposes no confidence vote while Boris has a chance of a deal, 2) he and others could never back Corbyn even as a caretaker leader, 3) wants Corbyn and co to focus on legislative measures, 4) Corbyn can have no backing until Labour commit to extending article 50 and not calling election or allowing one before then. Spelman has apparently ruled out going, Sir Grieve open but apparently can't attend, Soubry will attend but will push legislation rather then confidence vote route

-Science and Technology Select Committee warns people will have to stop using cars if UK to hit climate change targets so needs to be more and cheaper public transport and more needs to be done about insulating homes

-Scottish government revenue exceeds 60 billion for first time but the scale of the deficit overshadows it

-Alistair Jack infuriates SNP by saying he can't spot the difference between the Scottish nationalists and other nationalists across the world that SNP deny being anything like as they create an enemy so they can thrive, in SNP's case Westminster. Says SNP invent grievances, using term Westminster system as a code for the whole of UK, Sturgeon fans Brexit bitterness to fan flames of independence. Ian Blackford demands a withdrawal and apology

-SNP Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf admits he struggles with the "national" part of SNP's title

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-Bridgen sceptical Boris review of HS2 is genuine and isn't just a sop to it's critics to keep their support, Lord Adonis says review is as stupid as you could get and will shaft the north, Seeley suggests only the northern half of HS2 gets build, Mayor Street says HS2 is needed

-Lammy condemns Trump's anti-Semitic comments

-Tory candidate for London Mayor Shaun Bailey his plan to deal with crime

-Centre for Social Justice proposals for pension age to be lifted to 75 in sixteen years has got attention

-Davis puts no deal at 50/50 odds but dangers are overblown but will be some bumps that any competent government can handle

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-Frances Ryan opposes lifting pension age

-Sam Coates view of Merkel's comments

-Stephen Glover wants HS2 scrapped but doubts Boris will do it

-Reality Check on Boris letter to Tusk
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:21 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:

-Frances Ryan opposes lifting pension age


I'm with Frances Ryan! I'd like to retire at some point in the future...
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:06 pm

Sun Fin wrote:
Dong Zhou wrote:

-Frances Ryan opposes lifting pension age


I'm with Frances Ryan! I'd like to retire at some point in the future...


I feel we should already be on 70 before taking pension. 75? Maybe, maybe not. We have a lot of issues with pensions coming up (failure to have enough of them among young people misusing Osborne's liberalization so state will have to pick up the tab) along with generational divide, equality release and so on. Pension age going even further may end up having to happen but feel there are other measures that might be better

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Brexit, Brazil concerns
-Sports Minister Nigel Adkins and Mayor Burnham asks for Bury league expulsion deadline to be extended

-Papers on Macron and Boris

-Corbyn agrees with Macron that there can not be a hard border in Ireland, feels N.Ireland peace is important and can not be sacrificed by Boris. Youguv has UK public confidence of deal happening at 16%, Boris says mood music was good but people shouldn't get overoptimistic that things will be solved soon and they will have to work hard

-Patel to talk to France about migrants attempts to cross the Channel, Boris warns such migrants will be sent back but Lib Dems have pointed his legal argument is incorrect

-In case you have seen Boris putting feet on table, that was a joke in response to something Macron said rather then an insult or rude behaviour

-Government hires Bake Off judge Prue Leith to look at hospital food

-Labour condemn trade minister Burns for calling Brazilian counterpart Marcos Troyjo superb, Labour feel given what is going on with the Amazon such praise is inappropriate for Brazil's government and Troyjo has defended such policies. Corbyn has condemned President Bolsonaro and urges Boris to do so, number 10 says they are concerned and will discuss this at G7 and Boris backs Macron's call for it to be treated as international crises

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-Marsha de Cordova wants to use climate strike to fight Brexit

-Channel4's head of news Dorothy Byrne says Boris and Corbyn are coward for refusing interviews with media, Boris is a known liar, journalists should confront politicians when they lie and tell public it is a lie

-Davis has a list of changes he wants from Brexit deal rather then just backstop, Sir Cash says May's deal without backstop still us governed by EU, Hands feels Merkel supports the Alternative Arrangements Commission ideas (he may be confusing politeness with support, a mistake constantly made by British figures with Merkel). Caroline Lucas urges Corbyn to be prepared to stand aside if he can't build alliance to be caretaker leader but urges other parties to enter talks with open mind, Berry says Boris trips this week shows EU is softening on backstop

-Plaid not happy Corbyn announced policies to help children in Wales where most of his policies would have no impact as laws are devolved

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-Stefan Stern condemns the 75+ pension idea
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:45 pm

Not much, some paper articles
-Papers on G7 and the Amazon or Boris set for meeting with Trump to warn NHS and chlorinated chicken is not on the cards for talks

-Boris says UK won't retreat from international community


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-Christabel Nsiah-Buadi wary of the Boris/Trump comparisons

-Owen Jones country has failed to be realistic about EU attitudes and needs

-Lewis Goodall Merkel and Macron have played Boris a hospital pass

-Guardian gathers views from journalists abroad
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