But facts are facts, and Hamas doesn't bear responsibility for starting this particular conflict. What Israel is doing now with Operation Protective Edge I don't think I can justify on the merits, either in realist terms of collective self-interest, or in terms of human rights.
Barbarster wrote:Well Hamas do bear responsibility because they're the ones who shot the rockets first.
WeiWenDi wrote:Barbarster wrote:Well Hamas do bear responsibility because they're the ones who shot the rockets first.
Hamas did not kidnap or kill the three Israeli teenagers. That was done by the rogue Qawasmeh clan. The entire Israeli military operation against Hamas that happened afterward was a result of Netanyahu's irresponsible claims in the press and the unreasonable actions of the IDF.
Israel is indeed justified in defending itself against the rocket attacks. But I say it again: Hamas does not bear responsibility for starting this conflict. Israel chose to undertake Operation Brother's Keeper, and to undertake it in such a way that made Palestinian retaliation practically inevitable.
Dong Zhou wrote:After Israel is satisfied they have taken out enough rockets and tunnels... then what? What is their long term plan? They don't seem willing to just go "sod it" and seize the whole of Palestine, they don't seem remotely interested in creating conditions for a long term peace so even when this crises is done, how long till the next attack on Gaza? Is there any semblance of a long term plan?
I get the sense Israel is losing international sympathy in Europe but that may partly be related to how much Netanyahu annoys us
WeiWenDi wrote:Barbarster wrote:Well Hamas do bear responsibility because they're the ones who shot the rockets first.
Hamas did not kidnap or kill the three Israeli teenagers. That was done by the rogue Qawasmeh clan. The entire Israeli military operation against Hamas that happened afterward was a result of Netanyahu's irresponsible claims in the press and the unreasonable actions of the IDF.
Israel is indeed justified in defending itself against the rocket attacks. But I say it again: Hamas does not bear responsibility for starting this conflict. Israel chose to undertake Operation Brother's Keeper, and to undertake it in such a way that made Palestinian retaliation practically inevitable.
Jebusrocks wrote:WeiWenDi wrote:Barbarster wrote:Well Hamas do bear responsibility because they're the ones who shot the rockets first.
Hamas did not kidnap or kill the three Israeli teenagers. That was done by the rogue Qawasmeh clan. The entire Israeli military operation against Hamas that happened afterward was a result of Netanyahu's irresponsible claims in the press and the unreasonable actions of the IDF.
Israel is indeed justified in defending itself against the rocket attacks. But I say it again: Hamas does not bear responsibility for starting this conflict. Israel chose to undertake Operation Brother's Keeper, and to undertake it in such a way that made Palestinian retaliation practically inevitable.
You do know that the Israelis have offered (pretty much since the beginning of the conflict) a ceasefire to Hamas? Not only did Hamas reject all of it, pretty much the day after they signed the ceasefire they began shelling rockets into Israel again...
Don't get me wrong, the extent to which Israel is punishing Palestine for the actions of Hamas is unjustified and clearly a violation of human rights, but to claim that Hamas does not bear responsibility is outright untrue.. what is more sad is that Hamas (once a beacon of hope for the Palestinian people) leadership have left Palestine and are resting peacefully and luxuriously in Four star hotels in Qatar, Kuwait and the like while their people suffer.
My personal opinion on the conflict is that the Israelis are unjustified in all of their actions against Palestine. It is morally wrong, lacks a clear strategic goal, and most importantly it is doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing. I still don't know why countries like Israel believe that acts of "terror" is an effective method of subduing a nation; it has proven, since the days of the Spanish Civil War, that it does not work. More importantly it t grows sympathy from both foreign observers and the local populace. Dumb move Israel... dumb move...
Well, we're sort of on the same side on this one....just not really the characterization.DreamGoddessLindsey wrote:I firmly side with Israel.
They're being victimized by Middle Eastern Muslims, who want to annihilate all Jews.
I think it's hilarious that when some news outlets said last week that Hamas didn't actually do anything, it was all a lie. Now Hamas has claimed responsibility.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... ility.html
I knew deep down that Hamas was responsible. I knew the media was spewing anti-Israel propaganda. They aren't terrorists, they're victims of terrorism.
Israel is fighting for their right to exist.
Palestine does not need it's own country anymore than Texas or Scotland. It's ridiculous.
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