Dong Zhou wrote:History: Lu Xun. By a mile. I'm not even Lu Xun's biggest fan and yet I still this as a Wu victory. Not that Jiang Wei wouldn't put up a reasonable display, despite his many many failings, but with their respective records, only one winner.
Novel: Probably still Lu Xun. I know Lu Xun is more sidelined but still pulls off two strong defensive victories, whatever the abilities of novel Liu Bei and Cao Xiu. Jiang Wei is intelligent but his novel arrogance and temper do get the better of him and I can just see that undermining him.
Dong Zhou wrote:Bear in mind a lot of the dislike here for Jiang Wei is due to the historical Jiang Wei. I think Yang's comment about the mediocre Jiang was history based. I do think the novel doesn't completely clear/whitewash him of Shu's fall but does make a very intresting flawed man made good by one last act of heroics.
Aygor wrote:Dong Zhou wrote:Bear in mind a lot of the dislike here for Jiang Wei is due to the historical Jiang Wei. I think Yang's comment about the mediocre Jiang was history based. I do think the novel doesn't completely clear/whitewash him of Shu's fall but does make a very intresting flawed man made good by one last act of heroics.
Thank you for pointing that out, Jiang Wei is one of my favourite characters in the novel, but -my bad- i never checked his historical deeds.
I would propose another match then: Guan Xing vs Zhang Bao
It really is a pity they died young.
Aygor wrote:I beg to politely differ about arrogance: Lu Xun seemed to me, by far, the most arrogant -or silly at least- strategist of the three kingdoms, as i remember many of his liutenants disliking him; he does neither listen to any piece of advice nor explain his view to his men.
Dong Zhou wrote:Lu Xun was right though. He may have struggled to keep order in his first job as CIC, not something he has problems with in his other CIC battles, but the novel makes clear that this is more the fault of his experienced but foolhardy subordinates. Lu Xun sees the wider picture and has a battle plan, like other strategists in the novel he doesn't always share it with others. Which is perhaps unwise but still, he is proved right and it is the only time Lu Xun has those problems.
Shen Ai wrote:I would also rate Lu Xun higher. Though attacking is much harder than defence.
Shen Ai wrote:Zhou Yu was young when he was named Grand Commander. Lu Xun was at least forty so he didn't have the same excuse for being unpopular at first.
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