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by **Sima Hui** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:33 pm

Han Xin, definitely. A brilliant strategist who was unfortunately destroyed by the kingdom he served.

by **Ddevil** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:30 am

I think that Sun Tzu, Liu Ji, Han Xin, and Zhang Liang are the overall best

by **Jiang Zhi** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:15 am

Han Xin was too smart for his own good...but given his background, if he had been able to nourish it at a younger age, he'll probably excel to be the greatest.

Zhang Liang is another who deserve praise and respect.

Zhuge Liang on the other hand is a joke...(going by SGZ) - other than against the Nanman, who did he win against when he was actually "in-command"? Battle of Chibi = Zhou Yu, Conquest of Jing = Guan Yu & Zhao Yun, Conquest of Shu-Ba = Zhang Fei...Defeat of Nanman = Zhuge Liang.....but if the Longzhong plan was actually his, then I'll give him credit for thinking that up. However, I do not rate him as much as these others...I actually rate Zhou Yu and Cao Cao higher than Zhuge Liang. One can argue that Cao Cao's defeat of Yuan Shao at Guandu can be one of the greatest plots in the period, equal to the Battle of Chibi (by Zhou Yu and Huang Gai).

by **Lord Chuff** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:17 am

In my opinion Sun Tzu was the best. He wrote the Art of War and everyone is continuously quoting him.

by **Jiang Zhi** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:19 am

Ma Chao, Spear of Justice wrote:In my opinion Sun Tzu was the best. He wrote the Art of War and everyone is continuously quoting him.

True, he laid out the foundations, future strategists built upon his principles.

Oh, Mao Zetong is another cunning tactician.....great in military, not so good in politics

by **siaoyeh** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:55 pm

I think base on result..
It should be SUN TZU, no doubt...

THE ART OF WAR is what it stand till today...

by **Yuan Seth** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:51 pm

I would have to go with Sun Tzu.

Can anybody come up with a quick list of a few great Chinese strategists who are not from the Three Kingdoms period? I'm afraid I don't know too much about other time periods. Thanks!

by **agga** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:04 pm

for reasons I don't really understand, Bai Chongxi of the Kuomintang is called by Taiwanese and mainlanders, 'Little Zhuge'.

At any rate, Mao Zedong is obviously the greatest strategist of the 20th century, and is likely the greatest in Chinese history. If you want to count strategists that invaded China, then I would put Genghis Khan above him, but no other.

Mao went from being a sullen teenager to being a bandit warlord to leading a revolutionary army, and his ideas on military operations are probably deeply influential in every civil war/ insurgency being carried out on this planet.

He escaped numerous attempts to destroy the PLA by the KMT, continued to weaken the KMT even while fighting the Japanese (while allowing the KMT to take the brunt of the war), and then managed to completely the rout the KMT. His armies prevented the UN from winning the Korean War. And he established a system of control over all of China which shows no signs of failing. So what if his domestic policy was absolute, complete disaster, the man knew how to make things go his way...

Mao, all the way.

by **Asellas** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:23 pm

That fella… what's his name… Xiang Yu.

by **Yuan Seth** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:47 pm

Good point agga - I would have to agree with you that he most certainly was one of the greatest strategists in the 20th Century.

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