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How's Zhang Fei?

Some drunkard that can fight
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An important Shu general
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78%
A brainless Shu general
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4%
Something that ShuWeiYan didn't add
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4%
 
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Zhang Fei

Unread postby ShuWeiYan » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:08 pm

How would you fare Zhang Fei as? Tell us what you think.
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Unread postby Fei Yi » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:22 pm

Obviously, I choose the second choice. Zhang Fei is one of Shu's most valuable generals. As he has demonstrated many times.
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Unread postby Famed Hero » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:30 pm

Pizz poor before Chi Bi (for the most part/by comparison), essential after Chi Bi.

At first he was a brutish general who was great in duels but a horrible leader. After racing Kongming from Jing during the campaign against Liu Zhang, he came around and became Liu Bei's most stellar general IMHO.
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Unread postby ShuWeiYan » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:16 pm

Well, actually Zhang fei started using his brains in Chang Ban where he ordered his cavalry men 2 cut down wood and run around in circles, making the enmy think that there's reinforcements, then he yelled at the "million men" Cao army and, force them to retreat and then break down the bridge. That was a brilliant strategy made by Zhang Fei.
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Unread postby Sao Meng » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:54 am

Defenetly the second choice.

Zhang Fei was an important asset at Chang Ban, and also was a great general during the Yellow Scarf (or Turban) Rebellion, IMO.
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Unread postby EmperorWei » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:30 am

Chang Fei was actually a good warrior for many reasons,


-When trying to fool Liu Tai,he beated up one of his soldiers for a wine incident(not exactly the smart thing),and actually succeded in the ruse to get Liu Tai out of his camp.

-Changban...it was a great idea,but burning the bridge was quite pointless

-He faced Hsu Chu 3 times!!! -Once when Cao Ren's army was retreating,another time after the battle of Chibi(Hsu Chu fought on a unsaddled horse),and lastly when Hsu Chu was drunk(heck,I dont think that would count,because Hsu was drunk :? )

-He succeded in fooling the veteran,Yen Yen...

In conclusion,he was a valuable warrior of Shu.

P.S. HE FOUGHT HSU CHU 3 TIMES!!,what a feat :P
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Unread postby urbanterrorist » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:11 am

Zhange Fei was a good man. Great general whose drinking got to the best of him. His legacy to Shu may not be as great when compared to his brother Guan Yu . But it takes a lot of guts and skill to hold back an entire army single handedly.
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Unread postby Sean » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:59 am

"A brainless general" is what I put. Zhang Fei almost got Liu Bei in some serious trouble by nearly waking up Zhuge Liang (if he planted his "bomb") and not having the, literally, the "Sleeping Dragon" join Shu. He died by beating 2 officers--No, he didn't die of exhaustion or anything like that, but instead, he beat the officers, and they assassinated him that night, after the flogging and they left Shu because of that. Seriously, I thought that was a bad choice.

He has power, something shown constantly throughout the novel (for example, in the early chapters, when Zhang Fei defeated the rebel Gao Sheng with one blow from his spear), but the novel says nothing of his intelligence. Also, I didn't really like reading how, most of the time, he was drinking.

The only thing I like about him is when he stood on Chang Ban Bridge, against Cao Cao's army.
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Unread postby LiuBeiwasGreat » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:43 am

Novel wise a drunkard who beat his men but managed to do some great things dispite his faults.

History wise he wasn't a drunk so he was a great general who had a bad habit of beating his men
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Unread postby Iain » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:56 am

Moogle wrote:"A brainless general" is what I put. Zhang Fei almost got Liu Bei in some serious trouble by nearly waking up Zhuge Liang (if he planted his "bomb") and not having the, literally, the "Sleeping Dragon" join Shu.
Maybe he was joking there? :wink:
Moogle wrote:"He has power, something shown constantly throughout the novel (for example, in the early chapters, when Zhang Fei defeated the rebel Gao Sheng with one blow from his spear), but the novel says nothing of his intelligence. Also, I didn't really like reading how, most of the time, he was drinking.
He wasnt drinking most of the time even in the novel I can only think of one occasion where his drinking caused a problem.

Zhang Fei really gets a bad rep for being drunk, and for very little reason really, I think he was one of Shu's best Generals.
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