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Unread postby john_is_war » Sun Feb 01, 2004 7:51 pm

Doing a research paper on the different strategists of the period ATM. I remember reading a while ago (I can't remember where for the life of me) that the same tactic done by Shu and Wu was redone by some English captain against France, I believe. Does this hold any bearing, and if it does, anyone have link to an article about it?
Also I remember reading about several of Zhuge's inventions, including wooden ox, flowing horse, and the chu-ko-nu. I've also read that he really didn't create the chu-ko-nu. So anyone have sources proving if he did/didn't create it? As well, did he have any other substantial inventions? And lastly, what was the flowing horse and wooden ox? I've heard the wooden ox was a mechanical, walking transport device, but I've also read it was a just a cleverly disguised cart on rails. Thanks in advance.
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Unread postby Marc » Sun Feb 01, 2004 7:59 pm

Well, I can't really remember any example from history where the English used Kongming's tactics. Do you know what time period this was in?
As for other inventions, I can only think of the Arbalest, a kind of multi-arrow firing machine, and the Kongming Latern, which was pretty much along the same lines as a hot air balloon, using hot air to hover.
I think the Wooden Oxen was used to transport supplies, but I'm not sure if it was a cart or not, since I don't think it needed horses or drivers. So it may have been mechanical.
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Unread postby Lady Zhuge » Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:10 pm

From Kongming's SGZ bio: "Zhuge Liang was ingenious by nature. The innovation of the mechanised crossbow and construction of 'wooden oxen' and 'flowing horses' were both his ideas. His deductions on the art of the war and creation of the eight disposition plan grasped the essentials of their subjects. Zhuge Liang's discussions, teachings, correspondence and memorials are all worth examination and have been compiled in an alternate anthology."

This article about the recreation of the wooden oxen might be of interest to you: http://www.sinorama.com.tw/8511/511032e1.html
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Unread postby Marc » Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:14 pm

Can anyone tell me what the Great Zhuge Embankment was? I've heard it was some kind of invention or idea of Kongming's, but I don't know what it is.
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Unread postby hikarinoyami3 » Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:13 pm

Wasn't the great zhuge embankment a plan in battle?

I think it involved diverting water towards the enemy.

But I'm not too sure.
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Unread postby Exar Kun » Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:28 pm

Most invention sources actually give Zhuge Liang credit for inventing the wheelbarrow in the first place.
So from a hindsight historical perspective anyway,the wooden ox seems to be a wheelbarrow.
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Unread postby Iatyco » Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:36 pm

I've also read that he really didn't create the chu-ko-nu.So anyone have sources proving if he did/didn't create it?

Some was found in early Chu tombs.

On the crossbow question, some of it was found in early chu tombs.

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Unread postby Stedfel » Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:41 am

I believe the Nanman had Cho-Ku-Nos in their battle against Zhuge Liang, and some have been found in tombs, so I seriously doubt he invented them. As for the Wooden Ox, I don't believe it was a wheelbarrow. The wheelbarrow is a simple, easy to make device, so I believe that I can safely assume that the Ox was not a wheelbarrow.
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Unread postby Chuko Liang » Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:05 am

I have not seen a source yet discrediting Zhuge as the inventor of the crossbow, though it is possible that it was merely his name attached the weapon (Cho-ko nu is another transliteration for Zhuge Nu which means Zhuge's Crossbow), such as with the Guan Dao even though Guan Yu would not have wielded one.

As for the ox, it is quite possible it was a wheelbarrow and several historical documents cite as being such. However, it would clearly have been an improvement upon the classical peasant wheelbarrow, perhaps closer to the modern three wheeled wheelbarrow, that would have allowed effective military supply transport.
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Unread postby Guan Yan » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:10 am

If he's inventions were so good then why were they not used threw future chinese history.
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