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Nudity in art - serious discussion (mature views please)

Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 2:10 am
by jiuwan
Well first off, there are many oppinions on this matter. I'll start first and present my views on it.

First off, I don't consider nudity to be any big problems when it comes to art. If it's done tastefully, then I consider it art. If done more to the extreme, then it would be considered pornography. But where does one draw the line to consider if it's art or pornography? What are the set lines to go by. Or would it be considered a case by case preview?

For me, these are the guidelines that I personally follow when drawing. Any part of the body can be showcased in the drawing with the exception of the genitial area. Be it whether it's the male genitial area or the female genitial area. Now I picked the word "genitial area" because I'm not sure if I should use the V-word. On the male body it is easy because there is only one spot that would make it art or pornography. For the female body, this isn't quite so simple. Some consider the chest region on the female body to be 'private parts' and automatically label it as pornography.

The human body from an artist's perspective is a wonderful thing. Not only does it showcase the human body in all it's splendor, but it also allows a challenge to the artist. Drawing humans can be difficult to the inexperienced. There's proportions, shadings, details..etc..

So for me it's just a simple matter of whether or not the genitial area is shown. That is what I use to determine if it's art or pornography. Although sometimes I bend the rule slightly and make the drawing erotic, but I'm really strict and carefully to not draw in the genitial area for the males and females. Either that or I hide it completly with something. Also I don't like drawing clothes because of all the detail I have to spend on it.

So what's everyone's views on this. Art or pornography? How do you decide?

<A HREF= "http://members.shaw.ca/jiuwan/background4.jpg" target = "_blank">Here's an example (WARNING!!)</A>
Sorry for the crudity of the drawing, I never did get back to finishing it up.

**NOTE TO MODS** If this picture is deemed unaccepted, then I will remove it ASAP.

Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 6:22 am
by unregistered
Nothing wrong if it is tastefully done and the person who did that view the human body (and yes, I'm refering to the entire human body including the genital/s) as an object of art. IMO, presenting something in its purest form without censorship, whether it's the human body or whatever, is the best way to reflect how the artist perceives that object in his/her mind. :P

Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 7:13 am
by jiuwan
unregistered wrote:Nothing wrong if it is tastefully done and the person who did that view the human body (and yes, I'm refering to the entire human body including the genital/s) as an object of art. IMO, presenting something in its purest form without censorship, whether it's the human body or whatever, is the best way to reflect how the artist perceives that object in his/her mind. :P


Yes, I can argree with you fully on that. But sadly society as a whole doesn't always think like that. Therefore I draw the line and censor the genitial area. Again, emphasis on "tastefully" done.

Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 9:27 pm
by Fen Dian
The human body in its natural form is a beautiful thing. Wether it be male or female (shut it) so why censor it we all have something so what are we protecting people from ? (I then procced to rip off all my clothes and run down the street eau natural) I'm sorry, I couldn't help it :oops: .

Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:19 pm
by jiuwan
Yes, that's quite true. But what about the younger kids that are also on this forum? As I understand the basic limit to join this forum is 13. Should we be exposing them to nudity in art? Would it be wrong? Different forums will have their own set of guidelines as to what can be shown and what has to be censored. It would be great if we can get some mods/admins oppinions on this as well. From what I can tell on the ones that have replied it seems to be no problem as long as it's done tastefully.

Any mods/admins have any oppinions on this? Or has what unregistered, Taishi Ziyi and myself said be correct for this forum?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 8:27 am
by Ju Bei
A mod opinion... Let me put it this way.. You see yourself naked? Yes.. Well once you seen yourself you basically seen everyone else. If you ever seen something like a art, porn, girlfriend, boyfriend, etc. Then again you have seen it all.. Its all the same. So I see no actual reason to push aside a drawing all because of its content.. Unless ofcourse, it promotes sex in a more distignuised way, such as actual sex acts.. Otherwise, "softcore" porn is more or less, art.(Unless displaying masturbation, ect.) Is this making sense?

The human body is just that, and its people who cant live in the real world that think that the body in its naked glory(yes thats what I said) is a shame or wrong.. They are the ones who indeed need to open their eyes and realise they are being mis-guided..

Well, yeah, Im all for most of it.. But then again.. What I say always comes out confusing..

There a mod opinion.

So I agree with you all..

Another thing.. Yes Im sure you can say the Vagina and Penis.. Mind you, its a body part just like the knee or the breast, or the butt, or the hand, I can go on and on..

"Those who find shame in whats natural are only really ashamed of themselves"

Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:17 am
by earthquake
It's pretty hard to tell.... I guess it depends on the point of view.

I've seen lots of art which has nudity and that's worth millions. On the other hand, if you go to a porn, it's considered softcore. Since it's hand-drawn, I suppose it's art.... I never thought of it like that. I'm gonna think about this... OW!!!!! Brain cramp.....

Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 5:03 am
by Rhiannon
jiuwan wrote:Yes, that's quite true. But what about the younger kids that are also on this forum? As I understand the basic limit to join this forum is 13. Should we be exposing them to nudity in art? Would it be wrong? Different forums will have their own set of guidelines as to what can be shown and what has to be censored. It would be great if we can get some mods/admins oppinions on this as well. From what I can tell on the ones that have replied it seems to be no problem as long as it's done tastefully.

Any mods/admins have any oppinions on this? Or has what unregistered, Taishi Ziyi and myself said be correct for this forum?


You've basically hit it straight on. We are working on a solution for the issues it brings up for SoSZ as we speak. :wink:

Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 5:14 am
by James
We have tossed this around for a while, and I have always been fine with this sort of artistic expression (the rules even make allowance for it under the right circumstances) but soon we may present a proper solution that will not disrupt the younger viewers, or those who are not comfortable with such material. I leave the rest to Jaime, Maria, Andy, and co.