The party was something of a small time thing, a joke that was never going to influence matters but Salmond leaves it as the governing party in Scotland, a place where the Hollyrood system was made to ensure that never happened. His achievements as a political campaigner have been incredible and he leaves the SNP, despite the way it will feel right now with dreams shattered a big hole at the top, in a better place then he inherited.
Salmond was a divisive figure, some saw him as a bully and arrogant who put them off, others saw him as charismatic and a forceful presence who inspired them, he showed an alternative path. He helped build up a fantastic ground camapign that knocked the socks off Labour, he was a skilled orator and a formidable debater. He could win impossible elections at a time when Westminister parties are forced to seek Coalitions. Scotland has lost one it's biggest beasts.
Sturgeon seen as the clear front-runner to take over, Salmond's close deputy and SNP's second biggest name, a formidable political operator. However we will see who emerges to try and run against her.
DragonAtma wrote:Also, the news kept reporting maniacally that there may have been up to ten fraudulent votes. They never seem to point out that even if they were all fraudulent, it's only 0.0026% of the votes needed to change the result.
I wouldn't say manically but still a major concern for the authorities
WeiWenDi wrote:I think the best that can come out of this vote is that the national government will honour the concessions they offered to counter some of the Yes campaign's demands;
In some shape or form, that will happen. Its more the constitutional changes for rest of UK that are uncertain
and that as a whole the government will tack in a more leftward and Eurosceptic direction.
To the left, that might happen, might not. Depends on general election results. However all the main left-wing parties other then the Greens are pro-EU. The anti-EU parties would put the UK in a referendum and if UK goes out, Scotland will have a referendum on the union.
maybe I come off a bit like Sima Yi here, since I have always been in favour of the Union and yet think that there is a good deal of proper feeling, not to the Yes campaign itself but to the general sentiments of the Scottish populace it tapped into. Scotland apparently demands, and northern England in particular needs, a government with a much more social-democratic flavour and a firmer commitment to a genuine safety net for the economically-stressed people who live in such areas.
Edit: I want to come back onto the left-wing part but lack time. Will make post later on or when replying to you WWD
I think Northern England needs to be less of a one party state who votes the same party whatever happens (UKIP, whatever else, will hopefully be good at ending that), stop shooting down major political reforms that would grant it more powers but maybe more devolution to certain areas will help get resources and it's chance to set out it's own way.
Interesting that No won so strongly in Aberdeen and Edinburgh - though probably not surprising. Still, that Yes won in Glasgow shows that the Yes campaign was not simply carried by the victims of Thatcherism. Indeed, the out-and-out poorest regions of Scotland (particularly the Mairches, East Lothian, Stirling, Argyll and Bute) showed particularly strong No votes, and I truly don't think this was for want of information or fear of Westminster's retribution.
The islands were going to be Unionist but it was always felt that Yes would thrive among the very poorest, the one with the least to lose. So that part is surprising