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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri May 17, 2019 10:36 am

It shouldn't be but somehow it is for some and people get very worried about thin edge of the wedge on such things as forced medicine

I agree social media and internet has big downsides and we are having to learn to deal with those. Some of it should be social media (maybe not bans but forcing people to take education before they tweet again) and search engines (insuring searches go to the evidence) carrying out a duty, the idea they could be without responsibility for what goes on is thankfully now being challenged.

It is such a difficult thing to handle and while I encourage so many kids around me on education and stuff, some people just don't want to know until something awful happens. And if its not mandatory then maybe something else to encourage it like less benefits if you don't??


I'm all for "ok, you don't want to do it, we can't force you. We also don't have to give you certain things" if people don't do their basic duty to society. What gets withdrawn would have to be subject to debate to get the right balance but there should be consequences for refusing to vaccinate

People have this idea that we should not get involved with how they raise their children and while yes, to an extent. There are things that are harmful that the world has a right to get involved with. Child Abuse is one of those things that we have authorities able to do stuff in regards. Honestly, I do not see this as much different as they are severely endangering their children while also endangering others around them.


Given children aren't getting to schools with the basics and aren't doing their side of the deal, let alone "I also made my child a walking death machine", I'm not overly sympathetic to idea of parents can't be told how to raise kids. There is always going to be need for protections for the child from horrible or inept parents where authorities need to step in and yes, this is endangering people so intervention seems fair.

SunXia wrote:Maybe vaccinations and their importance should be part of the curriculum but then that means the dangerous child will still be among those who they can hurt. Should children be allowed to get vaccinated without Parental approval? It's such a difficult topic but I just know that these people make me fear for the safety of those coming after us.


One hope is that internet and streaming is allowing ill children in some places to take part in class via robot camera, allowing them to interact and be monitored to an extent. When child gets "sorry, you can't join us for play time/football/yummy lunch", child may ask questions and teacher can explain use that to explain things.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Lord Yang Jiahua » Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 pm

The problem is that the politically incorrect reversal to be said against the "Anti-Vaxxers", is basically very cruel.

I stand that everyone should be vaccinated, thats the whole point of beating a disease.

It could also be an undue assertion of individuality caused by a resisting of conforming to the norms. Most of the people who are anti-vaxxers (at least where i live) tend to be rather well-to-do and have some very strange opinions not grounded in the reality of the world. (Everyone who doesn't think like them must be some sort of monster etc, everyone whose not of the same social class must be some sort of failure etc.) Then of course they also have highly discriminatory opinions of people despite their "educations" in my experience of them(Race,religion sometimes,etc).

Libertarians... possibly, that everything comes down to a choice and is nothing more regardless of for the good of society or not. Alot of people around here now have a strange morality that came with the tech boom, that Andrew Keen wrote in The Internet Is Not The Answer resembles the snobby attitudes of people who live in Marin county more than anything. Cutting edge of innovation, but somehow picked up highly irregular political and ethical reasonings.

A Political professor of mine in college said exactly this as well, without knowing who that author was or anything, i like to think this is good confirmation.

In terms of Elections, this hasn't entered into anything yet.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby SunXia » Tue May 21, 2019 7:56 pm

Lord Yang Jiahua wrote:The problem is that the politically incorrect reversal to be said against the "Anti-Vaxxers", is basically very cruel.

Are you referring to the memes specifically for unVaccinated children of Anti-Vaxxers?

Yeah I don't stand by that and honestly I worry so much for the kids but what can I do? Remove all the kids? But yeah I'm not going to meme a child who has no choice in the matter. But the parents are almost as bad as if they deliberately released a virus into the air.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:32 am

Trump visiting here, has started by insulting a princess (just doesn't seem a smart idea), backing Boris and Farage and giving Brexit advice. It led me to wonder has Trump actually made an international deal yet? Iran hasn't bowed, N.Korea talks seem to have flatlined after initial promise, EU and US seems to have gone into cautoius wait for trade war, China is in trade war. I thought he had re-jigged the deal with Canada and Mexico but now that seems under threat with threat of tariffs to Mexico? I assume a few trade deals have been done?
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Jia Nanfeng » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:09 pm

The tariff threat worked and Mexico will begin enforcing border control.

The deal with Canada/Mexico was never under threat because the tariffs were due to immigration issues, not economic policy, though they would have obviously had a big impact on the latter in Mexico (and a small impact here). They were smart to act fast before the deadline. I don’t envy their lose-lose situation, but they had the chance to choose how they lost at least. Hopefully this will help them with their internal cartel issues as well. (But all this didn’t stop people from drastically increasing the cost of avocados in anticipation :lol: ).

North Korea hasn’t reached a deal yet but Trump is still working on it. His talks have helped to better the relations between North and South Korea, at least. I won’t hold my breath on Kim agreeing to anything that’ll make him appear weak before his people though.

I don’t believe Trump is working on an Iran deal. We pulled out of an existing one and reinstated sanctions, if that’s what you mean.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:50 pm

The deal with Canada/Mexico was never under threat because the tariffs were due to immigration issues, not economic policy, though they would have obviously had a big impact on the latter in Mexico (and a small impact here). They were smart to act fast before the deadline. I don’t envy their lose-lose situation, but they had the chance to choose how they lost at least. Hopefully this will help them with their internal cartel issues as well. (But all this didn’t stop people from drastically increasing the cost of avocados in anticipation :lol: ).


Doesn't tariffs undermine such deals, whatever the reason for applying them? Glad it has got sorted and looks like a win for Trump

I'm not convinced Mexico situation will be sorted till a US President tackles the US side of cartel problems (so many guns, so many drug users) and long term economic development to south but s/he would have to 1) not want party relected again for some time, 2) utterly control Congress and the Senate to get measures through.

North Korea hasn’t reached a deal yet but Trump is still working on it. His talks have helped to better the relations between North and South Korea, at least. I won’t hold my breath on Kim agreeing to anything that’ll make him appear weak before his people though.


Yes relations between Korea's seem better and Trump deserves credit for his part in that, I get the impression talks have stalled though

I don’t believe Trump is working on an Iran deal. We pulled out of an existing one and reinstated sanctions, if that’s what you mean.


and it isn't getting Trump what he wanted via the sanctions

I will say this, once he got off the plane, Trump behaved well here (by his standards). Running battle with Sadiq Khan was both sides at this point, said nice things at banquet, nice to May, a few briefing lapses but we can't complain as long as Boris has a chance to be leader, a few jokes. Invited mockery on the the crowds issue which was silly of him, the "scandals" (after Khan and Markel before he got off plane) were either minor lapses or where he meant well and tried to reassure (like the NHS) but it was going to be seized upon for internal UK issues.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:33 pm

Tad confused, I thought Trump was opposed to China's aggression and expansion but now, according to his latest tweet, wants China to expand naval influence into the Gulf and Middle East? Interesting move to demand Japan change it's own constitution (there may well be a case for Japan and Germany to get more involved with armed forces) but think he could have done that in a more tactful way

Can't say I'm reassured by Trump nearly ordering an Iran strike.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Jordan » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:48 pm

We imposed that Constitution and its limitations on Japan in the aftermath of WW2. A lot of geopolitical organizations and policies that came about in the aftermath of WW2 do seem outdated to me. I think NATO has kind of run its course myself, and I don't entirely disagree with Trump about Japan. Trump seems to have a particularist approach to foreign policy, believing that every country should go its own way, conduct an anti-globalization and pro-sovereignty foreign policy of their own and abandon multilateral organizations.

At least that's the sense I get from what he has said in the past while abroad in Asia and Europe. I think in reality, Trump is all over the place and wildly inconsistent. His driving impulse seems to be to break America's commitments with anything and everything.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:48 am

Why has John Bolton been fired? Not been paying attention admittedly but this cuaght me by surprise
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Shikanosuke » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:06 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:Why has John Bolton been fired? Not been paying attention admittedly but this cuaght me by surprise


I'll be candid and admit I've been neglectful in recent news, but from I gathered they've been on the outs for awhile. Bolton is hawk, and Trump is...whatever he wants to be at the moment. So between Bolton having a hardline on N. Korea and Taliban while Trump meeting with them I think it stoked Trump's ire.
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