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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:30 pm

I know in modern day, national emergency is over used but think building wall and policy disagreement is not a national emergency. Not sure the legal position but wonder how Congress will try to claw back powers for future
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Shikanosuke » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:21 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:I know in modern day, national emergency is over used but think building wall and policy disagreement is not a national emergency. Not sure the legal position but wonder how Congress will try to claw back powers for future


He'll have to make his case to the American people, Congress, and most likely multiple courts. From my understanding Congress does have avenues of reversing this kind of action, should it choose and be able to do so. I don't think it will go well, but we've been wrong about his efforts a lot at times. I'm not sure his move will be popular with either party, just with his base.

EDIT: Seems little worse than that. Presidents can pretty much declare anything a national emergency by simply drafting it, signing it, and publishing in federal registrar. Congress can attempt to reverse this by passing a concurrent resolution which...has to be signed by the president (good luck any congress). Then have to come back with a supermajority to override (good luck any congress). That said, he can declare anything an emergency an it definitely provides him a scary amount of powers, but diverting money from programs designated by Congress seems to be a area he'll overreach. Or so will be the argument.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby WeiWenDi » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:07 am

Shikanosuke wrote:
Dong Zhou wrote:I know in modern day, national emergency is over used but think building wall and policy disagreement is not a national emergency. Not sure the legal position but wonder how Congress will try to claw back powers for future


He'll have to make his case to the American people, Congress, and most likely multiple courts. From my understanding Congress does have avenues of reversing this kind of action, should it choose and be able to do so. I don't think it will go well, but we've been wrong about his efforts a lot at times. I'm not sure his move will be popular with either party, just with his base.

EDIT: Seems little worse than that. Presidents can pretty much declare anything a national emergency by simply drafting it, signing it, and publishing in federal registrar. Congress can attempt to reverse this by passing a concurrent resolution which...has to be signed by the president (good luck any congress). Then have to come back with a supermajority to override (good luck any congress). That said, he can declare anything an emergency an it definitely provides him a scary amount of powers, but diverting money from programs designated by Congress seems to be a area he'll overreach. Or so will be the argument.


I do wonder what it will take for Congress to start pushing back hard on executive overreach. Unfortunately I fear the partizan nature of our politics will result in Congress continuing to be ineffectual as a body in standing on its own rights. I was heartened to see that the War Powers Resolution was approved last week, but it sadly looks like the Dems are fumbling that even now.

Also, bit off-topic: should we consider perhaps making a separate thread for US Politics or 2020 US Presidential Election Speculation now? I'll go ahead and start thataone.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby Shikanosuke » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:00 pm

WeiWenDi wrote:
Shikanosuke wrote:
Dong Zhou wrote:I know in modern day, national emergency is over used but think building wall and policy disagreement is not a national emergency. Not sure the legal position but wonder how Congress will try to claw back powers for future


He'll have to make his case to the American people, Congress, and most likely multiple courts. From my understanding Congress does have avenues of reversing this kind of action, should it choose and be able to do so. I don't think it will go well, but we've been wrong about his efforts a lot at times. I'm not sure his move will be popular with either party, just with his base.

EDIT: Seems little worse than that. Presidents can pretty much declare anything a national emergency by simply drafting it, signing it, and publishing in federal registrar. Congress can attempt to reverse this by passing a concurrent resolution which...has to be signed by the president (good luck any congress). Then have to come back with a supermajority to override (good luck any congress). That said, he can declare anything an emergency an it definitely provides him a scary amount of powers, but diverting money from programs designated by Congress seems to be a area he'll overreach. Or so will be the argument.


I do wonder what it will take for Congress to start pushing back hard on executive overreach. Unfortunately I fear the partizan nature of our politics will result in Congress continuing to be ineffectual as a body in standing on its own rights. I was heartened to see that the War Powers Resolution was approved last week, but it sadly looks like the Dems are fumbling that even now.

Also, bit off-topic: should we consider perhaps making a separate thread for US Politics or 2020 US Presidential Election Speculation now? I'll go ahead and start thataone.


Was fairly suprised Senate was able to muster the Republican votes to attempt to repeal his declaration of a national emergency. They obviously can't get a supermajority to override his veto, but still says something when the majority of Congress votes to rebuke your methods.
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Re: 2016 US Presidential Election Speculation

Unread postby agga » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:10 pm

Shikanosuke wrote:Was fairly suprised Senate was able to muster the Republican votes to attempt to repeal his declaration of a national emergency. They obviously can't get a supermajority to override his veto, but still says something when the majority of Congress votes to rebuke your methods.


59-41 did surprise me. I bet it's strategically high and that there are other Republicans that would have liked to have voted in favor of repeal, but it was decided that the costs of actually doing so (overriding the pres veto) would have been too catastrophic, so the leadership allowed it to get high enough to send a message and no higher...
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