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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:45 am

Philip Gordon, the US assistant secretary for European affairs in the State Department, while trying to respect the British right to do this, did say he thought the renegotiation between UK and EU is a bad thing as it means the EU won't concentrate on real issues and that a UK outside the EU would be bad for the UK. Douglas Alexander has seized on it naturally.

I suppose the question is that does this count as interference or just an honest viewpoint? Personally thought it was the second but the timing was safe. At other times, that would have wandered into interfering.
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:29 am

With Venezuela's leader complaining about CNN's coverage of events there as "war propaganda", what about foreign media in a country? When does reporting and style of it become interfering in domestic events?

Edit: The issue of foreign interference is somewhat playing on UK minds. Where is the line between being involved in the Scotland independence debate and what is interfering? Does EU president answering questions about Scotland joining the EU count as interfering or simply answering? Does saying "actually, no we aren't inclined to have currency union and here is why" a reasonable point or evil bullying and oppression of the Scots?
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Jordan » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:56 pm

I think that the question has a right to be answered, but it is clear why the UK has sensibilities regarding the issue. China does the same thing every time Tibet is mentioned in any context whatsoever. I imagine if a separatist or devolutionary movement was strong enough in any country, that country would react with similar sensitivity. It becomes a bigger problem if any kind of hint at recognition is given. From the point of view of foreign policy, it makes more sense to not give too much attention to the Scottish. Any kind of hint at recognizing Scotland would be a great personal snub.
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:22 pm

It's less the UK in itself, more Scotland. They were fine with EU's head speaking to be fair, the SNP may disagree with him but the man carefully worded it and other countries have kept quietly to themselves.

Where the issue is at the moment is if the English/England/London/Westminster government speak, that seems to cause problems. Scotland discussing leaving the union, does the rest of the UK have a right to say? A right to say "sorry, we won't accept that proposal if you do leave" or set out their own terms? Or should the rest of the UK keep quiet, no matter how it affects the rest of us? Should Cameron/Miliband/Osborne/Balls speak or forever hold their peace?
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:13 pm

So Obama, in a press conference, reiterated that he would prefer the UK to remain in the EU. This isn't unknown and I don't think too many challenge his right to say it. Where he has got into trouble, despite the SNP playing nice, is he also (with the usual "people to decide") come out in favour of the union.

I do think it would be wise of foreign leaders not to get involved in that debate unless SNP/Independence camapign start declaring your country will do such and such. It really doesn't seem a matter for foreign governments to take a public stance on.
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:55 am

For the Scotland debate, Bill Clinton has come out for union. Given Clinton is sometimes seen as an unofficial spokesman for Obama, is that a case of should have kept quiet? While does Spain warning Scotland it will ensure take Scotland awhile to get into the EU (despite SNP promises), count as merely a warning or a direct attempt at interference?
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:06 am

Clinton seems to be well respected by the English left so it might actually make a difference.

As for Spain it clearly is interfering but because their scared of their own independence movements that will gain momentum if Scotland are seen to succeed. So yes they are interfering but I don't think they really care whether we think that.
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Re: Foreign influence on politics in America

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:51 pm

Bit of an issue over here with the EU referendum with G20 saying Brexit would be bad and French government more then hinting they would cancel the Calais deal if we left the EU with the Outters crying foul. I'm more concerned by a major business writing to employees with the consequences (aka job losses) of a certain decision (Brexit), that felt like bullying and more of an issue then what other countries say
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