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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:43 pm

Labour conference thoughts
-Saved by the judges: This was heading for disaster, the cries of fix, the clear disunity, the loss of Fischer and the stupidity of the Watson coup. Self inflicted stupidity by Labour as there was a lot they could say but from first day, Labour had taken a plasma gun and shot themselves in both feet then in the vulnerables for little reason, this was going to lead to a bad conference with bad headlines. The judges shock call against Boris lifted mood, ensured this week will be remembered for different things and Labour could be excused last two days due to circumstances as Corbyn had to rush out a heavily altered speech and last day pretty much ditched. Labour have really got away with it

-Policy heavy: Bar Corbyn's speech (due to circumstances), this was policy in good way. The message perhaps still needs building around it to reassure those floating voters who might be sceptical about how it can be afforded or concerned at direction. Personally I hate the educational reforms which seem to put teachers above the students but one can't argue they will be lacking idea's to change country, to provide something different. Costings will need to be done by election and narrative beyond end austerity, for the people needs to be built up, some stuff is being done on how rebuilding public services will help daily life and the poorest. While there are questions about the electoral appeal beyond base, these are big ideas and that should always be welcomed, the party has a clear direction and "this is our offer"

-Limited unity: Public may not like divided parties but Labour decided they would face two divided parties as Corbynites tried a coup against deputy leader, which led to threats of revolt, there was Fischer's blistering attack on his fellow advisers, there was rows over what was being done on conference floor (though even critics in press would admit Corbyn has expanded delegates power considerably). This despite a lot of Corbyn's critics staying away from conference and leadership has to take blame for some of this. However Corbyn also got a show of faith, some suspicion his support among Corbynites is fading but when push came to shove on Brexit path, turning it into "backing Remain will hurt Corbyn" saw delegates sacrifice Brexit for Corbyn so he clearly still has a powerful hold.

-Not solved Brexit problems: Corbyn got through the divide via making it about him but the split is still there, shadow cabinet is still wandering off script to make clear their views are not to remain neutral and the fight will continue about path to take and winning back public to it is yet to be seen. There is still the issue of how to sell the idea of "vote for us, we will get a deal we won't support in referendum" into an electoral answer that can be kept simple and sell well though Corbyn did it well during speech.

-Expect some Labour voted ones to be butchered: There are gaps between the excitement of members and the shadow cabinet "we want to be elected" so I suspect a lot of the green, private school (the difference between Rayner+McDonnell vs what was voted for was very clear) and freedom of movement will get altered quite a bit through comitee's and the likes that are meant to act as a counter-weight, these issues will be touched upon in manifesto but less strong then voted on in conference.

-Greens: Made a big push on Green issues, it is clearly a big battleground for election as Gove recognized with Lib Dems and Labour ensuring they have big policies on this. Labour need to ensure they mention Green issues a lot rather then odd day in Commons and conference else this will be missed, Gove and Greens have a head start on this.


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things have got very very ugly, MP's are angry and scared as Boris takes Jo Cox name in vain, recess rejected
-Papers on a very toxic Commons with a lot of political correspondents worried at Boris tone and the extreme heat in Commons

-Bercow says mood yesterday was the most toxic in the 22 years he has been an MP and did no credit to Commons, considering Harman and Ken Clarke's request for Speakers conference on toxic language but for now calms for calm

-Boris last night refuses to apologize or take any responsibility says public don't want second referendum but want first one enacted, wants Queen Speech to give a sense of life after Brexit, courts were wrong, Labour want to snub the people. Challenges opposition to no confidence him and is willing to grant time if a party other then Labour bring it, promises to put any Brexit deal to Commons, rules out extending Brexit deal. Boris infuriates Commons further by dismiss Paula Sheriff (a friend of Jo Cox's and someone who has suffered threats) plea for moderating language like not using term surrender bill as Jo Cox showed the high price by dismissing Sheriff's tearful pleas as humbug, constantly dismissed female MP's pleas for moderating tone then in a disgusting move, later says they must deliver Brexit for (Remainer) Cox's memory. Boris adds bad mood as walks out of Commons to ignore points of order despite Bercow's urgings to stay

-Corbyn say he will agree to election as soon as Brexit extension is confirmed, Number 10 indicating they will take lack of confidence vote as signal of support and may prorogue parliament again

-Tory MP's unusually break the no clapping rules after Boris finishes exchange with Corbyn

-Brendan Cox says he is having to explain why their mother is in news again to have his children, calls Boris sloppy and everyone needs to work out to step back from the inferno, both sides need to be more nuanced and not act as if other side is evil, alarmed by descent into vitriol including words like dictator and coup

-Shadow Brexit Minister Mathew Pennycook resigns due to wanting to campaign for Remain and young family. A small blow to Corbyn, Pennycook is a known passionate Remainer and young family is a genuine reason but does some damages to attempt to show unity and compromise, both sides playing down any row.

-Rees-Mogg doesn't deny using the term "constitutional coup", he has right to disagree with court and cabinet is meant to be confidential

-Nicky Morgan gently rebukes Boris "I know the PM is aware of & sympathetic about the threats far too many of us have received because I shared with him recently the threats I am getting. But at a time of strong feelings we all need to remind ourselves of the effect of everything we say on those watching us." Cleverly says things won't calm down till Brexit is sorted, tried to deny Boris had used term betrayal but called on it, all sides had been intemperate and violent. Sheriff accuses Boris of inciting hatred against MP's but she will not let bully's win but her side also needs to calm down before another MP is killed. Treasury Minister Simon Clarke says Sheriff intervention was utterly toxic

-Swinson has reported to police a threat against her child, Lucy Powell says she has been told to her face she sent be sent to the tower and hung drawn and quartered, Mirror writer Pippa Crerar says she knows an MP who has told husband she expects to be killed and he must be prepared to raise child alone. Jess Philips shares death threat that directly quoted Boris dead in ditch language and today her offices were attacked with staff having to be locked inside for safety.

-Vadaker says open to extension but thinks awhile away from UK requesting one while plenty in EU are sceptical, Gove claims business and retail leaders told him they were ready on Monday but they are saying the exact opposite, Barclay going to meet Barnier tomorrow with number 10 warning significant obstacles remain

-In what is well meant but feels like it could backfire, EU figures are condemning Boris language with EU security commissioner Julian King "Crass and dangerous. If you think extreme language doesn’t fuel political violence across Europe, incl UK, then you’re not paying attention", Commision rebukes UK "We would remind everybody that respect is a fundamental value in all democracies. It is the responsibility of each and every politician to uphold our values. History has shown us what happens when they are not respected."

-Cleverly says Boris may just ignore London Assembly summons

-Truss says breaches on arm sales to Saudi's were even further then thought and more may yet emerge

-Boris tells 1922 committee "they [Labour] are trying to drive us off the word surrender because they know it is cutting through" but says MP's need to avoid language of violence, rejects Dr Lewis suggestion of Brexit Party pact.

-Opposition parties had big meeting to discuss strategy for week ahead and will meet again on Monday to discuss mechanisms

-Jess Phillips suggests Boris meet her and Cox family, government says nothing, Corbyn calls for Boris to apologize for reprehensible language. Boris in media interviews trying to separate the issues of his language and threats to MP's which he condemns and refuses to apologize to Cox family, denies he said about betrayal (he did), what is being shouted at him during yesterday was harsher then anything that he said

-Business Committee launches inquiry into Thomas Cook collapse

-Recess for Tory conference voted down by 17, 306 votes to 289 , another sign of normal behaviour breaking down with even ex-Tories either voting or abstaining. Boris speech will have to be moved due to Wed PMQ's, normally the cost to Manchester if the Tory conference is gutted by parliamentary activity would ensure Labour kept quiet as they offered but Boris behaviour has been so bad, such niceties may be ignored.

-Karl Turner confronts Cummings over death threats (he and his home have been attacked in past) he got last night, Cummings first says "get Brexit done" then when Turner points out voted for Brexit deal then Cummings dismissed the elected MP as a nobody.

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-Hunt glad he is not PM (didn't he run to be PM?) and people being alienated by attempts to block Brexit

-Sir Greive terrified that Boris got applauded for populism, Boris has no moral compass of any kind and is a pathological liar. Kyle notes "when you live behind a wall of armed police officers you can be as irresponsible as you like with your language because you will never have to live with the consequences".

Bernard Jenkins says people need to consider the strain Boris is under, Sir Soames appalled by Boris behaviour but calling for him to go won't help ad PM's should seek to bring country together, IDS says opposition are guilty of pot and kettle on language, Nandy says Boris has made attempts for cross-party Brexit deal much harder. Farage says Boris was right to use terms like surrender and betrayal. Greening fears a race to the bottom on language

-Luciana Berger to switch seats, going from Liverpool Waintree where she met her husband to Finchley and Golders Green (a Remain seat with a strong Jewish community), says partly to balance family life

-Hoare "There needs to a change in the mood music emanating from No 10 because as a Tory party we obey the rule of law and the fact that is in question in this place should bring shame on all of us."

-Jaguar to shut down for a week in November due to Brexit

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-Kuessenberg on a toxic day

-Kettle government shameless attacks on law may not provoke outrage Westminster expects

-Sean O'Grady attacks on judges have started
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:01 pm

I think for the first time I'm genuinely beginning to get worried. Not about the prospect of a No Deal brexit but by the tone of the rhetoric being thrown around by Johnson and his ilk. He is moving ever further towards the populist orator his detractors always painted him to be. Not, by the way, that I'm absolving the opposite side of blame, they have absolutely played a role in dialling up the language, but Johnson is the first to step so dangerously far over the line.

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Personally I hate the educational reforms which seem to put teachers above the students but one can't argue they will be lacking idea's to change country, to provide something different.


I've not followed much of the conference, in which ways do the new policies favour the teachers? I do wonder if the stress that teachers are under (and the lack of credible ways to deal with bad behaviour), if some reprieve for them would make life better for the students as well. But I guess that depends on the policies themselves.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:25 am

Certainly both sides are to blame for how bad things have been, some less Jess Philips are holding up to their hands to a degree and Brendan Cox very carefully showed some dangerous language from left (Sturgeon has fallen into a few of the traps he mentioned). I myself have used the term coup which was inflammatory, there were other words I could have used and I apologize.

I think Boris could have saved it the next day. On the night, he was likely suffering jetlag, it was extremely late in the day (it went into the next morning I think), undoubtedly he was getting heckled and mood was bad due to Attorney General's provocative warm up act. Tired, mood bad, mistakes get made. If he woke up and apologized, I think things could have began recovering, I think MP's with a good apology would have give him a bit of a kicking then pulled back. Instead he has doubled down. I just don't think Boris and Cummings care for the consequences or think the worst can't possibly happen, Boris perhaps deludes himself that what he says has no connection to the threats

I've not followed much of the conference, in which ways do the new policies favour the teachers? I do wonder if the stress that teachers are under (and the lack of credible ways to deal with bad behaviour), if some reprieve for them would make life better for the students as well. But I guess that depends on the policies themselves.


Destroying Ofsted and ensuring inspections are in the hands of councils so ensuring little independent oversight of a profession that allowed the working class to become illiterate and innumerate. The private schools thing is seen as a sop to the teaching unions but that is more a nominal one

I'll withdraw that, I thought it was more, I may be remembering past attitudes rather then this conference.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:34 am

I think getting rid of oversight is unhelpful, however the experience of friends who are teachers are that many individual inspectors are malicious. I know that teachers may be bias and anecdotal evidence needs to be considered carefully, however I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some reform of it as an agency. I think taking on private schools would be a foolish thing to make a priority - but my preference would be less private schools and more specialists schools like grammars. Controversial I know :lol:.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:32 am

Sun Fin wrote:I think getting rid of oversight is unhelpful, however the experience of friends who are teachers are that many individual inspectors are malicious. I know that teachers may be bias and anecdotal evidence needs to be considered carefully, however I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some reform of it as an agency. I think taking on private schools would be a foolish thing to make a priority - but my preference would be less private schools and more specialists schools like grammars. Controversial I know :lol:.


They might be. Reform may well be needed and new inspectors needed (just not by a vested interest like the councils) but I won't take teachers as a block seriously unless they call for the head of teacher unions to resign for what they did to the working class.

I don't foresee Labour or teacher unions calling for grammar schools :wink: I think our education system needs a lot of reform though I understand why teachers get sceptical about it and feel "oh gods, not another one". More technical colleges would be a start
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:22 am

Dong Zhou wrote:They might be. Reform may well be needed and new inspectors needed (just not by a vested interest like the councils)


Definitely.

Dong Zhou wrote:but I won't take teachers as a block seriously unless they call for the head of teacher unions to resign for what they did to the working class.


I might be missing your point entirely here but, while I agree with you I do get it. We have the same problem in evangelical churches - people would rather work in the plumb areas. If teachers are given a choice, many of the best ones would rather work in nicer schools which are going to generally be in more affluent areas. I think to see changes on this would require a massive cultural rethink of our individualism and a greater attitude of personal sacrifice for the greater good. I think blaming teachers alone for not having a sacrificial attitude is very harsh. Certainly most people I know who have gone into teaching have done so because they want to make a positive difference, but also want a nice standard of living.

Dong Zhou wrote:I don't foresee Labour or teacher unions calling for grammar schools :wink: I think our education system needs a lot of reform though I understand why teachers get sceptical about it and feel "oh gods, not another one". More technical colleges would be a start


I certainly agree with all of this. But I do think grammar schools (if on a more limited scale) would help social mobility. I get the old system where 40% got into grammar school and if you didn't you were written off (generalising of course) were bad. But in Essex we have, maybe the top 5% go to grammar schools. All recognise there is a lot of talent still in the comprehensive system so we were still invested in but it allowed the very, very top to be pushed. Quite how if there were no private schools we'd deal with the people being tutored to get into them I'm not sure about, but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'd also like to see more technical colleges.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:01 pm

I might be missing your point entirely here but, while I agree with you I do get it. We have the same problem in evangelical churches - people would rather work in the plumb areas. If teachers are given a choice, many of the best ones would rather work in nicer schools which are going to generally be in more affluent areas. I think to see changes on this would require a massive cultural rethink of our individualism and a greater attitude of personal sacrifice for the greater good. I think blaming teachers alone for not having a sacrificial attitude is very harsh. Certainly most people I know who have gone into teaching have done so because they want to make a positive difference, but also want a nice standard of living.


It isn't that. I'm fine with that as long as teachers don't then expect praise for their sacrifice and dedication to public surface, they can go wherever their talents can take them.

When Gove was education secretary, he said standards were too low and needed to be raised to howls from the teacher unions who orchestrated a camapign including saying again and again to journalists that standards were great, teachers felt insulted by Gove and Gove became toxic. He was moved before election, international body investigated for their usual check ups and rankings. It found working class white children were one of the most illiterate and innumerate in western world (one was bottom, the other was second to bottom) and noted Gove had started to turn things around

I haven't heard teachers apologize, the teacher union heads failed to resign for their incompetence and (I'm sure inadvertently) misleading the public and teachers haven't forced them out in horror over what had been done to the poorest children.

I certainly agree with all of this. But I do think grammar schools (if on a more limited scale) would help social mobility. I get the old system where 40% got into grammar school and if you didn't you were written off (generalising of course) were bad. But in Essex we have, maybe the top 5% go to grammar schools. All recognise there is a lot of talent still in the comprehensive system so we were still invested in but it allowed the very, very top to be pushed. Quite how if there were no private schools we'd deal with the people being tutored to get into them I'm not sure about, but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'd also like to see more technical colleges.


I just don't think it will happen, the idea is too much out of favour whether rightly or wrongly (I'm slightly against but open to it). I think grammar schools do have various problems as an idea that has to be tackled to ensure it is fair and avoids the old resentments

More threats, government digs in, Brexit
-Papers on Boris refusal to back down or Rachel Johnson condemning him with the Brexiteer papers defending Boris with left being softies and hypocritical

-Cummings when asked about threats say it isn't a surprise people are angry with MP's, what did they expect to happen after ignoring referendum, both sides have said unwise, unpleasant and even criminal things, been calling a Nazi and criminal for years, threats should be taken extremely seriously but can only be resolved by Brexit, doubts MP's will listen to reason as have lost connection to real world outside London.

-Been noted that junior ministers rather then cabinet ministers or Boris are being sent to bat in Commons when Boris is in trouble

-SNP points out government didn't seem to care about their conference needing recess

-Boris rallies party before conference

-Noakes says she has been told she was a "traitor who deserved to be shot", Cooper's daughter Ellie writes about the impact on the family, while Jess Phillips has had supportive messages she has more death threats and her office has had to shut off phone lines

-College of Bishops calms for calm and respect among MP's, Cleverly says both sides need to calm down but Boris has not called people a traitor and criticism of Boris is unfair, some Tories like Miller and Nadine Dorries blaming Jess Philips for hostile mood. Boris says threats are appalling but ending things like surrender bill would be impoverishing language and political debate as acceptable for hundreds of years, Thonberry apologises to Lib Dem's for a Taliban comparison she made, Rudd says Boris language incites violence and his casual approach to others safety is immoral.

-Verhofstadt says current UK proposals fail all three tests for backstop replacement, National Audit Office says government isn't sure it can ensure NHS supplies if no deal

-Number 10 dismisses Sir Major's concern they may use privy council to get around Benn act and lawyers dismiss the idea as well

-Inspectors warn Cleveland Police, which failed in all categorises, is putting public at risk and lays into the honesty of the senior officers

-Education department denies it has preparation plans for no deal, two months ago ministers said it did.

-Sturgeon indicates she is willing to back Corbyn as a caretaker PM

-Deputy speaker Rosie Winterton running for main job

-Condemnation of Swayne declaring Trudeau's apology for recent scandals as political correctness absurdity and blackface is an acceptable bit of fun

-Lords launch political civility award

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-Sir Major says he is a lifelong Tory like many of those expelled and hopes middle of the road Tories sees the current state of party as an aberration and they haven't permanently become a Brexit party tribute band or a party that seeks to divide rather then unite, tears into Boris

-Sir Jenkin attacks Labour MP's for using Cox, Jess Phillips Boris needs to apologize, Moran things have to change, Davies says abuse is deplorable but people are using it to suppress debates.

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-Adler mood in EU

-Chris Mason mood in Commons

-Ayesha Hazarika furious with Boris stoking fear and anger
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:19 pm

Tory Conference Preview
-Good/Bad Year: Bad year. May had a difficult time as party turned on her, she failed to get deal through, Brexit got delayed and she was ousted. Boris has come in and done far worse, humiliated in Luxembourg, purged the party leaving unease, smacked down in court for trying to suspend parliament, embarrassed the Queen, not yet actually won a vote in the Commons. Zilch wins. Yet his polling is good, activists are behind Boris (though they would happily destroy the party) and rage against the institutions, mood will likely be good as they imagine Brexit will soon be there under Boris their champion.

-Policies clearly, a sense of "this is the sort of thing I wish to have a Queen Speech for, these are the reasons to look beyond Brexit" which is something they did well during the summer but they will need more particularly with Labour having a few eye-catching policies recently announced. They will also need to find good lines to combat Labour that goes beyond the tired old ones (and please please please no Caracas jokes Boris)

-Unity. Will the centre of the party react or will they keep their heads down as the membership are to the right and back Boris? Will the right try to bully the centre? In a toxic time, a sense of getting along and playing nice would help while it would seem like Boris and cabinet need to put arms around a wing of the party that is feeling uneasy.

-Brexit: What the country needs is a sense of how Boris can actually progress one way or another. We aren't going to get that, what we will get is populist rants, leave by Oct31st while obeying the law and ignore the contradictions, leave means leave, parliament is blocking Brexit and the like. Whip up the frenzy, get crowd excited, ignore the wider questions. EU will expect some bashing for the domestic audience but balance needs to be careful if Boris wants a deal, annoying them may backfire

-Direction/reach out: Boris ran on uniting the party, that he could reach Brexiteers and Remainer Londoners, he appointed likes of Rudd and Morgan, pointed to diversity of cabinet. In last few months the reach out part seems to have been dropped as his language on Brexit and everything else has become harder and harder, seeking to fan discontent with parliament. Away from Westminster (somewhat), perhaps will Boris seek to take a breath and reset towards the liberal part of himself, if he does not then it would suggest he is no longer trying to do more (even in a token effort) then unite the hard Brexit vote

-Parliament playing nice: Opposition need to be careful, norms have broken down but if they are seen jerking around Tory MP's and cabinet ministers with major votes or timing big issues to sabotage major speeches, media won't be pleased, Manchester business and local government will be livid and it may be seen as extremely unsporting by the public with Lib Dems and Labour having had free run. That it is on at all means Tories will have to split their attention to avoid a trap and reschedule planned events, fringe events may be less packed then usual


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Labour to end Universal Credit, Brexit party, potential speakers making their pitches
-Papers on all sorts of stories, possibly main focus is fury at BBC telling off presenter Naga Munchetty for accusing Trump of racism when he called for four opponents to go home.

-Javid calls BBC reprimand of Naga Munchetty as ridiculous, Chi Onwurah has written to Ofcom in protest

-Labour pledges to scrap Universal Credit, Greenwood writes about it and instead of five weeks wait for payment there will be an interim payment after two weeks and drop the internet only requirement, Corbyn calls UC inhumane and over-budget. Tories point out Labour have pledged to scrap it without replacement which would leave people with no finical support which is irresponsible, charities are not keen at another overhaul that could make things worse.

-Police watchdog investigating if Boris committed misconduct in public office as mayor, number 10 saying timing of complaint from Greater London Authority to authorities is politically motivated

-Barclay says long way to go with Brexit but coming to moment of truth, College of Bishops says result of referendum must be honoured

-Sturgeon backs slightly away from backing Corbyn, says is no big fan but opposition parties will need to compromise around someone and fears they may regret failure to act

-D'Arcy probably quiet Week Ahead

-Bryant wants a return to no clapping days (Rees-Mogg couldn't be anymore in agreement), Dame Laing says feeling of impartiality has been diminished under Bercow, hints her language would be less aggressive and would enforce respect

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-Farage says Boris must not return with a reheated May deal or voters will leave Tories on mass as they realize it isn't a real Brexit and would be the real surrender, again proposes non-aggression election pact with Tories if a clean Brexit. Accuses Labour of wanting uncontrolled mass immigration when immigration is a good thing but only if carefully controlled, Soubry least popular, won't be riots due to having Brexit party to express frustrations

-Brexit party will scrap HS2 and inheritance tax, cut Dfid budget by half, wifi on public transport, student loans interest to be 0%, invest in broadband, £200bn in transport and digital infrastructure outside London.

-Vicky Ford formally complained to Bercow that he didn't feel unbiased

-Ken Clarke says parliament is better behaved then public but the intolerance, anger, extremism and abuse reflects the public. Gets on well with plenty in ERG, Farage and Corbyn, feels Boris became Brexiter by accident and doesn't have strong feelings one way or another and is now boxed in.

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-Nick de Bois Tories need to be nuanced when responding to four day week

-Dominic Midgley social media giants need to be taken to task for toxic atmosphere

-Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett Welsh nationalism is on the rise

-Hyde warns Cummings and the mob will turn on their Tory backers next
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:00 pm

Dangerous, dangerous allegations being made about Benn Act, Tory policies, DUP open to time limited backstop, Brexit
-Papers on Boris stories, Sunday Times saying Boris had to personally apologize to Queen, Mail on Sunday says government has launched probe into links "collusion" between MP's and foreign governments on Benn Act

-Tories £13 billion plan for 40 new (refurbished seems to count as new) hospitals with Ashworth and Hancock getting into twitter spat about how true this is, £200m cash injection for the UK's health and life sciences industry, £1bn to help "key green" technologies in the motor industry, £220m to help develop a fusion power station by 2040, plant up to one million trees in three new forests in Northumberland by 2024 and create pocket parks. Interesting Tories are opening with NHS and Green issues. Will bring in a UK version of the Magnitsky law

-Tories looking at livestock has to go to nearest abbitoar, ban all trophy hunting imports, making micro-chipping for domestic cats compulsory, ban on keeping primates as pets. Hancock looking at making vaccinates for children compulsory

-Sir Stramer accuses Boris of deliberately whipping up stories of riots so he can use emergency powers to get no deal through, Raab says they are looking at way of overriding the Benn act,Corbyn says opposition talks have been productive.

-Villiers says Arcuri issue has been blown out of all propitiation and referral to police politically motivated (number 10 feel they were given no notice or chance to respond), the rules were observed

-Jo Cox Foundation suggests a code of conduct for MP's in regards language, Burnham condemns banner in Manchester calling for deaths of Tories

-Gwynne says changes to Universal credit won't be overnight but will eventually happen

-Police drop investigation into Farage comments they will take a knife to civil servants after Brexit. Farage says he may have been better to use term take the axe as he meant solely about cutting budgets

-Bit tired of Boris reaction to last week's row, it feels like in Boris land that Boris is the victim of those seeking to dampen down language, not those getting death threats as he inflames things.

-Boris claims to telegraph that EU or the Commission lawyers may have had say in Benn act (this is really dangerous from Boris), calls Benn act one of abject capitulation and an attempt to destroy UK's negotiating position, NHS spending is central to his vision for the country, in future may need to be US style judge appointment hearings. On Andrew Marr admits he didn't know Jo Cox, denies his language incites violence and is in fact been the model of restraint, martial and fighting terms have always been in common political language.

Apologies about the misunderstanding of his intent with humbug, rules out electoral pact with Brexit party (not sure why he keeps being asked about this), despite parliament undermining him he still thinks good chances of a deal, refuses to say if he asked another leader to veto extension. Not keen on resigning to avoid article 50 extension, he has nothing to declare on the Acuri story and is simply those opposed to Brexit attacking him (the Brexit backing Sunday Times owned by the ardent Brexiteer Rupert Murdoch...), Mayor Kahn spends too much on press officers, Labour's 4 day plan and a week would hit poorest hardest, won't bring back May's deal. Some EU states want UK out rather then continue to be a lingering nuisance

-Patel rules out letting Shamima Begum back into UK

-Boris to miss President Chirac's funeral, I'm not sure that will go down well in France even if one can understand a reluctance to be out of the country

-Raab jokes "The truth is we Brits get a warm welcome almost everywhere in world. Ok, maybe not in Luxembourg.", British fed up of EU leaders disrespecting their PM's, will leave on October 31st and chart our own course but would hope to be friends with EU, UK must stand up for freedom across world.

-Gove says Tories focusing on the priorities of the people like Brexit, crime, NHS, education which makes Tories the people party, delay will be more damaging to our democracy then temporary economic bumps of no deal, trusts Boris to deliver. Doubts we will see other countries leave EU (having once predicted they would flock to leave) but thinks nature of EU will be very different in 15-20 years

-Rees-Mogg says MP's holding public in contempt and must be election, EU won't last long in current form and Euro problems are deep set but says things tend to last longer then people predict, Brexit deal can pass if DUP back it as would lead others who voted against May's deal to back them as MP's just want it over and done with. Vote for Brexit party risks getting Brexit cancelled but Farage is an admirable figure in many ways

-Barclay calls for people to embrace opportunities on Brexit and stop apologizing for it, can access markets EU restrict us from, get cheaper products, can help developing countries with trade rather then rely on aid, EU should match UK offer to protect EU nationals, delay costs a billion a month.

-Sturgeon a bit annoyed with "condescension" of Westminster press warning SNP that Boris is laying trap by being willing to accept confidence vote

-Foster, speaking at Tory fringe event, opposed to custom border within UK for economic and constitutional reasons, no regularity checks with mainland on anything other then agricultural goods, willing to look at a time limited backstop but doesn't think Vadaker would agree to it, will back Boris in confidence vote as DUP will never allow themselves to be accused of putting Corbyn into office.

-Downing Street denies allegations made by Charlotte Edwardes

-Sir Grieve has received death threats since the "collusion" story broke. Mail on Sunday proud of themselves?

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-CBI in interesting timing says business beyond disillusioned with political brinkmanship on Brexit, no way businesses can be prepared for no deal and will be mired in swamp with small businesses having to start from scratch, plenty of big businesses have agreed to move out supply chains if no deal. Baker calls it gross attempt to interfere in Tory conference

-Hosie suggests no confidence vote next week, even Monday or Tuesday (which I think would cause public outrage), Lib Dems need to accept Labour are the largest opposition party and stop playing games

-Dr Allin-Khan on abuse she gets and Boris needs to be a statesmen

-Gauke denies "collaboration"

-ConHome polling finds Tory activist faith in Boris getting us out on October 31st has gone from 78% to 43% in a month

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-Peter Hitchens rails against supreme court

-Professor Will Jennings voters don't like divided parties is more complicated then the truism

-Rawnsley worried by the inflamed divide
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:47 pm

won't be a confidence vote this week, more Boris scandals, Javid, Brexit
-Papers on the groping accusations against Boris or vaccinations

-Rees-Mogg (got ovation even before he spoke) says Corbyn isn't a bad man but is simply too weak, being part of the British establishment means he knows how bad it is, stopping Brexit is an unworthy aim, government of national unity would be constitutional coup, Bercow has flown too close to the sun.

In another (with massive queues) event he says surrender doesn't get people killed but terms like lynch risk it, says Sheriff went on a rant after the Cox comment and that was the humbug bit, fixed terms parliaments act one of the stupidest legislation ever. Gauke is a credit to the Tory party and is sorry he had whip removed (Rees-Mogg asks audience to applaud Gauke), delivering Brexit will end Brexit party but fail and they become a real force, should all be grateful to the great Cummings

-Buckland says judiciary in good heart as they know they are independent and people should ignore anon briefings from number 10 and what he says on law matters matters more then such anon's

-Think Hancock messed up on the Boris grope allegations by trying to play it down as Boris never lecturing others on private lives and concentrate on more important matters, had to hastily backtrack then saying he knows the accuser is a trustworthy person (Rudd has also said the journalist is trustworthy)

-Over £50 billion spending pledges already, extend the right that housing association tenants have to shared ownership of their homes (may be a repeat), expert skills and productivity board for technical education, an extra £120m to set up institutes of technology in 20 cities.

Briefed before Javid speech was fourteen major roads in England upgraded at a cost of £25bn, national bus strategy with £220m into a improved bus services in England including £50m for the country's first all-electric bus town or city, £5bn for ultrafast broadband internet, contact-less payments to be made available on every city bus.

During the speech he announced Brexit red tape challenge (EU regulations that can be improved or removed), will be white paper on English devolution, £500 million youth investment fund for youth services and the like, aiming for national living wage of £10.50 an hour by 2024 as two thirds median wage (Labour says too slow and catch up, business alarmed at blatant politicisation and bidding war of the issue) and lower age to 21

-McDonnell says most Tory announcements are tinkering or announcements of old pledges, Labour's private school policy won't be draconian and will be subject to consultation, Javid not answering about costs on no deal is either clueless or dishonest

-Rayner says they will end tax breaks for private schools with first Labour budget, Boris should be ashamed of himself for trying to divide the country but sides need to dial things down

-Javid in morning interviews indicates government has plan to get around Benn act, EU complaints are a negotiating strategy, won't put figure on chances of no deal and hard to say what cost would be of no deal but has plans involving tax cuts and stimulus while Ban of England will react (they won't thank him for that), politicians haven't paid enough attention to buses, trusts Boris denial on groping but doesn't want to get involved, prefers anti-Islam hate crime over term Islamophobia and thinks inquiry will begin soon.

During the speech (surprisingly not shown on main BBC channels, feels odd the chancellor of the exchequer got snubbed like this), Javid says democracy relies on trust and following it even when it doesn't go way you want and doing otherwise is neither liberal or democratic, jokes of Labour "A man for the many Brexit positions, not the few.", not delivering Brexit more damaging then no deal as would tear apart fabric of democracy and could be impossible to put back together, public serves are lifeline. Praises Ruth Davidson

-Hancock urges Tories to show they love NHS on doorstop, says loves NHS because it embodies great Tory values

-Williamson says returning schools to council, scrapping Ofsted and various measures removes choice from parents, England can overtake Germany on technical education within a decade

-Boris refuses to apologize for saying investigations into historic abuse was spiffing money up the wall

-Bruge group boo journalist who asks about Cox and language. ERG are the real victims, not those receiving death threats it would seem...

-Opposition parties agree to avoid confidence vote this week

-ONS revises first quarter growth to 0.6% so annual growth to 1.3% (both up 0.1%) but warns a lot of that was stockpiling and production has since collapsed 1.8%. Bank of England says consumer credit growth lowest for five years

-Hammond and Zahwai in a row, Hammond claims Boris backers are benefiting from no deal due to making finical bets on no deal, Zahwai "Philip you let yourself down by claiming speculators on “no deal” are interfering in us leaving the EU. This is an ugly smear that is completely untrue. If you know anything about finance or the city then you will know that." Hammond "Nadhim, calm yourself: I made no reference to “interference”. I observed 3 things:1) Boris has backing from hedge fund managers;2) Some of those will have bet on No Deal; 3) Those that have will be happpy to see scant progress towards a deal. Which of these 3 is incorrect?"

Labour promptly asks an Urgent Question on this (while Javid is in Manchester so Simon Clarke sent out) and demand inquiry into the backers, government says no and Simon Clarke says this is getting into tin foil hat brigade territory.

-Letter of Sir Sidwell to civil servants leaks: praises them for their speed and efforts to deliver new government reforms and tackle Brexit issues, notes civil service are getting unsettled by Brexit and says he is fully aware of his constitutional role, seems to be trying to praise and reassure his subordinates

-Anti-abortion group has pulled billboard adverts that were aimed at a pregnant Creasy and apologized

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-Sir Grieve went to conference despite expulsion, so will Gauke

-Gauke Boris will miss his deadline and Brexiteers need to be honest about trade offs, Stewart disagrees "I fear worse - we won’t leave and Boris won’t be blamed. He may have reached a new zen level of politics where he is loved for promising what he could never deliver and loved more for failing. What his opponents see as untruths his supporters forgive as statesmanlike optimism."

-Welsh Labour's longest serving MP Ann Clwyd to retire after 35 years: the former journalist and MEP, chaired the party and served as Shadow Wales and Dfid Secretaries, served on defence committee with a keen interest on foreign affairs, fought hard against the Welsh NHS after the death of her husband. On the Blair wing of the party, she had considered retiring in 2015 but changed her mind, will be wished well for her retirement.

-Sir Soames says purge was absolutely insane, Sir Greive says if Boris tries to ignore parliament then supreme court will act and if tries to ignore courts then Queen will sack him, Rory Stewart rails against dishonest Boris but people don't care if he lies and fails

-Tory MEP's looking for intern to start in November

-Baker wants Tories in Brexit party to "come home" once Brexit is done like Rees-Mogg's sister and Richard Tice

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-David Shiels backstop not answer and Ireland needs to compromise

-Rentoul difficult times ahead for Boris

-Paul Waugh is Boris woman problem catching up with him?

-John Harris takes optimism from radicalism breaking through
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