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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:05 pm

Brexit, trade
-Press on Boris "tense" call to Trump or that first part of US-UK has been signed off or Boris threat to EU, rumours of election plans and fuel duty cuts

-Boris apparently told Trump British firms needed help and a lifting of restrictions to supplying US, told Tusk if no deal 30 billion would be held back. Tusk warns Boris risk being recalled as Mr No Deal, Boris responds by saying Tusk will be remembered as Mr No Deal Brexit. Tusk says EU will listen with open minds to anything realistic

-Truss on Brexit trade liberalisation

-Government wants all major airports to have 3D scanning by end of 2022 as quicker and less intrusive

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-Tom Edington on trade deals done so far

-Will Hutton HS2 key to our future

-Gareth Lyon compares Boris to Lyndon Johnson
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:19 pm

Brexit, G7
-Boris says touch and go if we leave with or without a deal (is that same as million to one?) but can easily cope if no deal with food shortages highly unlikely and medicines guaranteed, trade deal with US within a year would be very tight and seems sceptical, says BBC should pay for over 75's license fees but Watson accuses Boris of abdicating responsibility on BBC

-Papers on cricket, Boris comments on Brexit, who should pay for BBC

-Swinson warns Corbyn is so divisive it risks scuppering the no confidence vote, Gardiner calls her extremely petulant

-Ellwood warns we are being complacent about Isis ideology

-Trump says leaving EU will be like losing an anchor around the ankle and promises very big trade deal

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-Isabel Hardman MP's tendency to panic is a problem for Boris if no deal happens

-Robert Peston Boris is certainly different from past leaders

-Dominic Lawson wants US and UK to be more willing to accept each other's food in trade deals
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:16 pm

Opposition parties come to Brexit agreement, other Brexit stories, Sir Lamb retires and Lord Bell dies, Brexit party
-Nicky Morgan considering relaxing planning restrictions on size of phone masts

-Papers on Boris plan to make Brexiteer Lords and Trump at G7

-SNP, Lib Dems (though Swinson warns Corbyn doesn't have numbers to be caretaker), Change UK, Plaid and Greens agreed to meet Corbyn (went on over an hour), by most accounts it went well with Soubry calling it excellent, Blackford productive, Swinson excellent with sense of urgency, Caroline Lucas calls it positive and will find common ground. Corbyn has had a slight (and quick so no damage and deserves credit) climbdown with legislation rather then caretaker now priority and agreement to stop parliament having a recess rather then vote of no deal.

Labour (represented by McDonnell), SNP, Change UK, Greens Lib Dems and others sign pledge "Church House declaration" later on saying they will form an alternative parliament if Commons shut down, Corbyn writes to the 116 Tory MP's not on government dime and who might be seen as anti-no deal with McDonnell saying he has never seen such a threat to UK democracy

Wise on the change of tactic for Corbyn, Corbyn didn't have the numbers and fair to him for recognizing that quickly, I also think trying a no confidence during Merkel's misunderstood 30 days would be a bad image, better to save that up if Boris fails or tries something

-Baroness Chakrabarti has prepared paper for Corbyn setting out how suspending parliament could be challenged quickly in courts and calling suspending parliament “the gravest abuse of power and attack upon UK constitutional principle in living memory”., Boris advisor on Europe David Frost sent to Brussels to talk to EU about alternatives to backstop. EU figures making clear there can be no deal if Boris avoids payments, Corbyn warns no deal would mean Trump and bankers takeover of UK (the bankers oppose no deal).

Swinson says Corbyn could recommend a Labour figure at end of career who can unite Commons. Sir Stramer calls for unity, Conveney doing tour (Norway, Czech, France, Finland, Poland) to ensure Ireland's stance remains backed and to help them understand the unique situation in Ireland,

-Boris says EU wants Brexit over and done with and up to parliament to ensure that happens, his duty to stop the dangers of Corbyn getting into power and stop Corbyn revoking of the democracy decision to Brexit as would be hugely damaging to democracy, comes out of G7 a little more optimistic at chances of deal and every leader wants to strengthen relations with UK. Will speak to the recovering Juncker and Rutte (who says open to proposals but they respect single market and not create hard border)

-Accusations Cameron's government knew in 2016 then HS2 would be very over budget

-Boris claimed Melton Mowbray pork pie is sold in Iceland and Thailand but USA red tape means no there, the company go "um we don't trade to either of those countries" and they could trade with USA by exporting them frozen then cook it over here, Downing Street now explaining they now more about Melton Mowbray trading then the company who makes them.

-Sir Norman Lamb to retire at next election, says Commons is paralysed by Brexit and so he can more about mental health from outside Westminster. The chair of Science Committee has been respected for his knowledge on health matters, did well as a minister in that department for coalition, been an MP or North Norfolk since 2001 and built personal following, came across as a likeable thoughtful figure in interviews. Brexit became an issue, his area voted Brexit and he felt obliged to follow that whereas rest of party was Remain and led to a loss of support within the party, a shame for parliament to lose him.

-Javid cancels planed speech and spending review brought forward to early September, will increase election speculation while McDonnell says Javid is cancelling such set piece speeches a bit too often to inspire confidence

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-IDS says rumoured plans of Archbishop Welby to chair committee looking at alternatives to no deal is inappropriate, the Archbishop says he is open to a citizens forum on the subject under certain conditions including it not being an attempt to delay Brexit and asks for prayers for politicians at this time

-Dr Allin-Khan on the Rohingya

-Lord Tim Bell, who created the famous "Labour Isn't Working" poster and co-founder of Bell Pottinger, has died

-Bradshaw says BBC not a part of the DWP, BBC stupid to accept settlement but the loss of free TV license fees for the elderly was inevitable once they did

-Brexit party unveil some general election candidates as they are convinced one is coming soon, Richard Tice intro for Farage stumbles “the person who has fought for breakfast … for Brexit”. Farage says deal even without backstop is worst deal in history, Boris is going off the rails on Brexit and will fight Tories in every seat if Boris tries to revive May's deal but open to election pact if clean Brexit, failure to deliver a clean Brexit will be political death for Boris and co, Labour is a globalist second Remain referendum party, Brexit party is ready.

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-Zoe Williams says opposition meeting needs to have eye on election and put ego's aside

-Toynbee government is ignoring business

-Stephen Glover state of backstop

-Katya Adler EU attitudes altered slightly

-Marie Le Conte concerned social media means MP's haven't had a summer break

-Hinsliff fears Brexiteers will change our political institutions for a life time
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:40 am

Who knew King Charles 1st had blond hair and time travelled to 2019?
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:41 pm

Boris suspends parliament to fury of MP's while Welsh Assembly recalled, Brexit, Sir Cable goes and Ruth Davidson may follow, Trump interferes
-Blond Charles asks Queen to prorogue parliament from second week of September (between 9th and 14th are the orders) for five weeks till 14th October, she consents which, after Queen Speech gives enough time to rush a deal through Westminster but would make it near impossible for any efforts to block no deal. Tories arguing new government always seek to do their own Queen's Speech (makes it a lot harder for legal challenge), covers party conference break, Queen's speech will allow them to bring through new bills, session is longest in 400 years, this is extremely normal. DUP back it due to length of current session and will review their confidence and supply deal, various opposition leaders are asking for a meeting with the queen, Rees-Mogg calls it a normal procedure (8 days is normal, five weeks has not been done since the war)

-SNP to speed up legal challenge against prorogation (Gina Miller is seeking urgent judicial review in London), Sturgeon calls for MP's to work together to stop a dark day for democracy and challenges Ruth Davidson to rally Scottish Tories, Corbyn calls it reckless and McDonnell a very British coup and warns "Whatever one’s views on Brexit, once you allow a prime minister to prevent the full and free operation of our democratic institutions you are on a very precarious path.”. Baroness Chakrabarti calls it unlawful and unconstitutional, will unite Remainers. Hansard Society says it would be longest since 1945 and is an affront to democracy

-Bercow is so so keen "I have had no contact from the Government, but if the reports that it is seeking to prorogue Parliament are confirmed, this move represents a constitutional outrage. However it is dressed up, it is blindingly obvious that the purpose of prorogation now would be to stop Parliament debating Brexit and performing its duty in shaping a course for the country.At this time, one of the most challenging periods in our nation’s history, it is vital that our elected Parliament has its say. After all, we live in a parliamentary democracy.

“Shutting down Parliament would be an offence against the democratic process and the rights of Parliamentarians as the people’s elected representatives. Surely at this early stage in his premiership, the Prime Minister should be seeking to establish rather than undermine his democratic credentials and indeed his commitment to Parliamentary democracy. My family and I are away on holiday and I will make no further comment at this stage.”

-MPs are furious, Caroline Lucas "The act of a cowardly PM who knows his reckless No Deal Brexit will never gain the support of MPs." the best line, Brake sees this as a declaration of war against parliament "His declaration of war will be met with an iron fist", Sir Grieve says he will consult with others on how to stop it and thinks no confidence vote is now more likely,s. Hammond calls it profoundly undemocratic but Hannan argues "A prorogation normally happens every autumn. This parliamentary session has lasted three years - the longest since the Civil War. What kind of screwed-up mindset do you need to see the long-overdue return of constitutional normality as "a coup"?".

Clive Lewis says police will have to remove him from Westminster, Lord Falconer "Prorog to reduce Parl scrutiny is unconstitutional. Ok to have short prorog to mark end of one parl session and beginning of next, or immediately prior to GE. 2010, 3 days, 2012, 7 days, 2013, 12 days, 2014 , 20 days, 2015, 3 days, 2016, 5 days, 2016, 6 days. This is 5 weeks.", Baroness Smith tears into Boris

-Verhofstadt "Taking back control" has never looked so sinister. As a fellow parliamentarian, my solidarity with those fighting for their voices to be heard. Suppressing debate on profound choices is unlikely to help deliver a stable future EU - UK relationship."

-Clever by Boris and co (as anti-democratic and shameful as they are), people will see the date as pre-Brexit and wonder what the complaints are about while the time-scale (if this goes through) makes it near impossible for no deal-block to be blocked. He loses? He can try to call an election turning parliament vs parliament and hang the consequences to the social fabric and long term future of the country when one plays such dangerous game. The Queen and her advisers won't thank him, he gave her a nightmare problem (I suspect she has made wrong call given his lack of majority) and dragged her deep into politics.


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-Sir Vince Cable retiring at next election with Twickenham to have all female shortlist and speculation he has (partly) stood aside to tempt a potential female defector. Will be missed in the Commons he has served so well, Lib Dems have often struggled for attention but as economic spokesperson his fine mind and the economic crises combined well, he made his economic arguments well in Commons and on TV, there was also the Mr Bean cutting remark that was devastating to Gordon Brown. In Coalition he felt less effective as Osborne had likes of Hancock keep a very strong eye on him at business and looked foolish as he boasted about power he had over Murdochs but he remained an articulate and charismatic spokesperson. Lost his seat in Clegg wipe out but returned quickly but when he finally got chance as leader, mixed bag.

He struggled for media attention, spasmed conference speech, he seemed to lack cut through and the old power seemed gone, facial when missing key Brexit vote as Lib Dems had not anticipate it would be so close. However his strong pro-Remain stance and the stances of other parties, he managed to make Lib Dem the party of Remain, having strong local and Eurpeon elections when he had already decided to go. Leaves party stronger then inherited.

Sir Cable as his best was a very clever heavyweight economic mind added to a sense of humour, thoughtfulness and charisma, activists loved him and he knew how to get them happy or how to play to their dislikes, he led his party and he worked in cabinet which many Lib Dems of many generations have only dreamt of. Always highly ambitious, this led him to irritate others and sometimes announce policies without talking to Lib Dem cabinet first, he only got the crown he wanted quite late perhaps due to that as MP's were not always happy with him.


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-Papers on Prince Andrew, spending review and Brexit

-Javid says there will be no blank cheques for extra spending (has he told Boris this?) and will stick to fiscal rules but will be more for health, schools and police

-Home Office advert for EU citizens on what to do after Brexit has been banned for being misleading

-SNP conference is on October 14th.

-Sterling nosedives

-Barclay questions EU countries talking about how important citizen rights are after Brexit yet not giving UK citizens the same rights UK are giving EU citizens, parliament won't allow the people of N.Ireland to be subject to continued alignment for indefinite period and governed by rules of which they have no say (N.Ireland people... support the backstop), border issue should be alongside trade talks rather then sequenced as they are now. Convey says they can not support abolishing backstop a nobody has yet to come up with an acceptable alternative

-Trump "Would be very hard for Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Britain’s Labour Party, to seek a no-confidence vote against New Prime Minister Boris Johnson, especially in light of the fact that Boris is exactly what the U.K. has been looking for, & will prove to be “a great one!” Love U.K." There has not been the same outcry at interference in our politics as when Obama said back of the queue from Brexiteers. Corbyn responded "I think what the US president is saying, is that Boris Johnson is exactly what he has been looking for, a compliant Prime Minister who will hand Britain's public services and protections over to US corporations in a free trade deal."

-Sports Minister Nigel Adams wants lessons learnt from Bury's collapse, Damian Collins says his select committee will be looking into this

-People remembering Hancock's "Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy and risks a general election. I rule it out and call on all candidates to do the same" and noting his silence today

-Heavy heavy heavy (as in will happen) rumours Ruth Davidson is to resign tomorrow. She had been planned to go for awhile apparently due to family commitments (recently had child) but Brexit and Boris have taken a toll and the timing of the announcement (tomorrow is expected) feels deliberate.

-Welsh Assembly to be recalled early and sit on September 5th onwards

-Channel 4 Hayley Barlow on our brave brave leaders "Today #c4news asked the government for a minister to discuss suspension of Parliament but Downing St said they wanted the PM's brief clips shared by broadcasters to speak for itself. Jeremy Corbyn gave a similar TV clip where he also wasn't asked a series of in-depth questions."

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-James Frith questions why Bolton got an extra extension and Bury have been expelled, Ivan Lewis says Bury can still be saved

-Rory Stewart responds to Boris tweet about Brexit with intro to Little Britain

-Jay Aston Colquhounis of Bucks Fizz running for Brexit party

-Sir Major seeking legal advice and comments ‘I cannot imagine Mr Disraeli, Mr Gladstone, Mr Churchill or Mrs Thatcher even in their most difficult moments saying let us put parliament aside while I carry through this difficult policy that a part of my party disagrees with.’

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-Aditya Chakrabortty not a fan of leaked education plans

-Tim Worstall denies there is a Brexit divorce bill

-Luke de Pulford Tories have to stand up for Hong Kong

-Ross Clark (sun) Remainers hypocritical on trade

-Behr Labour have no vision on Europe

-Tom Kibasi Boris strategy
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:23 pm

Ruth Davidson resigns as leader, Ben Wallace confesses to France, Brexit
-Ruth Davison resigns as leader but not as MSP, has made clear this is family issue as she has seen the toll it is taking on others in her life and she she has recently become a mother, she knows the toll yet another election campaign will have and it fills her with dread, "I fear that having tried to be a good leader over the years, I have proved a poor daughter, sister, partner and friend. The party and my work has always come first, often at the expense of commitments to loved ones. The arrival of my son means I now make a different choice.” ". Has admitted she found Brexit and conflicts that led to hard, supports Boris in trying to get a deal and urges MP's to vote for a deal this time and says a lot of those complaining about no deal had three chances to avoid it via simple means but blew it. Telling EU and public they would vote for deal would encourage EU, avoids the subject of Boris suspending parliament.

There is no question family is the main reason and apparently been rumours that she returned from maternity leave and didn't quite look happy. Her eight years have been remarkable, taking over a party even Scottish Tories felt needed to break away from Westminster and rename themselves, that Tories were too toxic to revive but she rejected it. A modern woman and modernizer with strong religious belief, a former soldier with a sense of humour, her drive, ability to mock herself and take fun photo's, campaigning energy, she became bigger then the Scottish Tories as she drove the party back to relevance, detoxifying the brand. Given time to learn on the job she was helped by the Scottish issue, SNP swept up nationalists and portrayed themselves as the competent ones, Lib Dems collapsed due to coalition, Labour's long grip fell apart. Ruth Davidson set herself up as the champion of the union, those that could hold the SNP to account (though the SNP felt Davidson was not a strong figure in the Hollyrood chambers), she campaigned for UK and impressed, ditto with Brexit.

In Westminster she wowed as they saw the numbers improve, no longer Tory panda jokes worked. Her charisma and humour, her background was popular as was the fact that Westminster tends to ignore Hollyrood so she always seemed fresh. She fitted into Cameron modernizer brand while appealing to the old school with sense of duty, faith, soldier background and there were constantly excited calls to get to Westminster or even be PM. Her strong performances also helped give her vital numbers, she got on well with Cameron who backed her, she respected May and gave her vital support in a minority government in confidence votes and gave vocal backing on deals though they disagreed on what form of Brexit to take.

Brexit was a big problem for Davidson's leadership. It revived the nationalist question, gave the SNP and weakened support for the union while Tories down south have done nothing to help with things like polling to put Brexit above the union. It weakened her control of her MP's, her contempt for Boris has never been hidden and she tried to persuade the Tories not to vote for someone so toxic north of the border, in revenge Boris sacked her ally Mundell. Boris and a wing of Westminster Tories in recent years seem to have taken up a challenge to drive Scotland to independence without using the cheat code of declaring poll tax for Scots only, giving SNP lots of ammunition of grievance

Ruth Davidson, champion of the union and reviver of the Scottish Tories is going with a lot of well wishes from all parts of Westminster and Scotland (Boris to his credit gave warm tribute), I certainly wish her and family well.

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-Papers on one subject, either an outrage or a bold move that takes fight to his foe and is making EU wobble, Finical Times calls for no confidence in Boris. Papers want a cut in the drink driving limits

-Eyes on how Javid will react about proroguing parliament

-Opposition parties trying to turn Boris "people vs parliament" into "people vs entitled elites" and Boris vs the people (I'm not sure this is going to work nearly as well as Boris version), the opposing progue petition reached 900,000 by end of first evening, Gardiner admits will be extremely hard to stop no deal. Rees-Mogg says Bercow's comments were extremely unconstitutional and Bercow should follow the famed exampled of civil war speaker William Lenthall, this is all completely normal and outraged is faked by Remainers, Corbyn pledges to try to politically stop Boris.

-Ben Wallace overheard telling French counterpart Florence Parly "Parliament has been very good at saying what it doesn’t want. It has been awful at saying what it wants. That’s the reality. So eventually any leader has to, you know, try.”and admitting he has no idea what the end result will be. Also admitted “Our system is a winner-takes-all system. If you win a parliamentary majority you control everything, you control the timetable. There’s no written separation. So it’s, you pretty much are in command of the whole thing. And we’ve suddenly found ourselves with no majority and a coalition and that’s not easy for our system." Number 10 says he had no part in the decision making and misspoke

-#AbolishTheMonarchy trended. As does Hugh Grant whose tweet I will not repeat

-Barclay spoke French at conference in Paris, credit to him

-14 months of car manufacturing numbers shrinking

-Corbyn says there wouldn't be a Scottish referendum in the "formative years" of Labour government as other priorities but wouldn't lock in the future one coming with a legitimate and fresh mandate, Scottish Labour's Richard Leonard clinging onto the formative years block.

-Lord George Young resigns as Lords Whip, unhappy what the prorogation does to parliament, as a former leader of the Commons he can not support it's undermining and pointedly says this is not part of a Remainer plot. His sense of humour and calm from the front benches will be missed, willing to give honest answers in his gentlemanly style and maintained that sense of honour.

-McDonnell says spending review is a panicked stunt and trying to buy enough votes for power while Boris reaches into old tradition of entitlement to rule where parliament is encumbrance to rule and media shouldn't dare to ask questions, of treating the public like serfs.

-Irish government distancing themselves from minister of state Michael D’Arcy saying Boris actions were most anti-Democratic thing at Westminster since Cromwell's government

-Barnier seems resigned to no deal

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-Mercer "Missing in Westminster: perspective and level heads. I and the rest of the real world are looking forward to a new legislative programme full of modern compassionate Conservative reform, incl legislation to prevent vexatious claims against troops, and enshrining the AFC into law." Doughty lays into Boris as a coward who refuses accountability and afraid of parliamentary scrutiny, Ed Milband "Suspending parliament to prevent the expression of the will of elected representatives is what autocrats and dictators do. This attempted coup against our democracy to impose a no deal Brexit cannot be allowed to stand.".

Sir Bone says he would have opposed suspension to Brexit day but this is just normal so he has no issue, Liddington says parliament is being gagged and Rees-Mogg would be leading attacks if Labour tried this. Boles thinks Boris actions mean constitutional reforms will come soon like proportional representation, written constitution and eventually rejoining EU. Lord Kerksale says he would have resigned his post in civil service if this had been tried, Gauke says proguing of that length is not routine but wouldn't back no confidence vote as would play into Boris hands

-Scottish Tories constitutional spokesperson Adam Tomkins remarks opposition parties they had three chances to vote for a deal

-Umunna calls for Hancock to carry out his promise and resign

-Hannan concerned EU national status is going to be the next Windrush and says it goes against promises made to Brexiteers and EU nationals

-Alex Chalk discusses matters with pro-Remain protestors outside office, says he found out same time as everyone, practical issues are modest (given party conferences) but agrees the political implications including how it could be abused are great

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-Bobby Freedman doesn't seem Bercow's biggest fan but warns Boris can not stop the Speaker making a stand

-Chris White Remainers in race against time

-Hardman prepare for election

-Anne Perkins party vs country

-Tom Harris reflects on Ruth Davidson
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:21 pm

Boris speaks out, Brexit, number 10 against Javid's team
-Opposition parties sign joint letter against prorogue, Welsh and Scottish finance ministers warn they need Brexit funding and one year spending review doesn't help, Boris promises to up the tempo in talks which EU say they are open to but they do require concrete proposals. Corbyn calls for protests in the streets (unions and Momentum are keen on this), Raab says the furore is nonsense (in fairness to Raab, he openly argued for prouging unlike a lot of the cabinet who are being very very quiet), Shapps says nothing unusual is happening and next big thing will be around EU summit anyway.

Government sets up £3 million fund to help UK nationals living in the EU with residency application, medical bodies concerned at flu vaccine supply, £30 million to help smaller ports with no deal. Convey says any deal has to be based around May's and he is sure EU will make all the time UK wants for negotiations, Baroness Chakrabarti feels rebel alliance has enough numbers. Sir Major (who will be represented by former minister Edward Garnier), Swinson and Watson backing Gina Miller's legal challenge to proroguing, European Commission says they are eager for meetings but UK needs to come up with concrete ideas.

-Boris says parliament said they would carry out will of people but not yet done so, they have had three years to debate Brexit and will have plenty of time still, is showing EU he is serious but attempts to top it undermine position in talks. Reversing Brexit would be more damaging for democracy then suspending parliament and won't be forgiven for a generation, trying to stop no deal makes no deal more likely as EU won't make concessions if thinks no-deal will be blocked anyway

-Papers expecting huge Tory revolt against Boris, huge concerns about what Ruth Davidson going means for union

-Queen snubs Corbyn, possibly judging it too political to do so and possibly because Corbyn snubbed Queen when he became leader.

-Scottish Conservatives deputy leader Jackson Carlaw becomes caretaker leader, Lib Dems hold Shetland Holyrood seat which may dampen SNP momentum a bit

-Europe papers reaction to Boris move

-Rumours government is preparing to advise Queen to delay Royal Assent on any bill that seeks to block no deal has spread concern

-Number 10 sack Javid's media adviser Sonia Khan without telling him and use police over contacts with anti-Boris figures (though downing street clear her of Operation Yellow Hammer leak). Apparently second of Javid's special advisers Boris team have sacked

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-Richard Harrington to retire, strongly opposed to no deal and proroguing but had been plan for awhile after ten years as MP for Watford. Worked on international aid, including on select committee, and business matters, was a fierce opponent of the ERG from the front benches, backed May's deal but resigned due to her stance on no deal.

-IDS warns Bercow his good reformist reputation may be lost amidst Brexit if he doesn't maintain his impartiality. Letwin says he has been in talks with Bercow and Commons clerks for months about correct procedures, isn't sure there are the numbers to stop no deal, former Commons clerk Lord Lisvane defends Bercow (who he didn't get on with) as correct to defend Commons and says proguing is serious subverting of democracy. Ken Clarke says he would probably back Corbyn for caretaker PM to stop no deal but doesn't think it will happen as Tory MP's won't back the idea.

-Brexit Party MEP Alex Phillips say MP's have only themselves to blame for parliament being suspended as they are an obstacle to Brexit, Gordon Brown claims some EU leaders prepared to withdraw Oct31st deadline and Macron no longer wants to make it hard deadline but EU has shot that down


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-Neil Penny defends Boris actions and Remainers have created no deal and upcoming electoral defeat for them

-Kuessenberg the rebel alliance

-George Maggs strengthening the union

-Katya Adler on EU thinking
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:53 am

Dong Zhou wrote:-Clever by Boris and co (as anti-democratic and shameful as they are), people will see the date as pre-Brexit and wonder what the complaints are about while the time-scale (if this goes through) makes it near impossible for no deal-block to be blocked. He loses? He can try to call an election turning parliament vs parliament and hang the consequences to the social fabric and long term future of the country when one plays such dangerous game. The Queen and her advisers won't thank him, he gave her a nightmare problem (I suspect she has made wrong call given his lack of majority) and dragged her deep into politics.


I think he has played the game incredibly well. I’m not as offended by this as everyone else who voted Remain seems to be. Parliament voted to leave. it’s our MPs own fault we’re in this mess. I don’t think it goes against Parliament’s sovereignty. I’m also utterly convinced that if the boot was on the other foot, Remainers would be doing exactly the same thing and the people howling in protest now would be silent.

As for the Queen, there was no right choice, but this was the least bad one in my opinion. If she had refused to prorogue the likes of Corbyn would thank her now, but would use it as a stick to beat the Monarchy later when it became convenient to do so.

Dong Zhou wrote: -Trump "Would be very hard for Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Britain’s Labour Party, to seek a no-confidence vote against New Prime Minister Boris Johnson, especially in light of the fact that Boris is exactly what the U.K. has been looking for, & will prove to be “a great one!” Love U.K." There has not been the same outcry at interference in our politics as when Obama said back of the queue from Brexiteers. Corbyn responded "I think what the US president is saying, is that Boris Johnson is exactly what he has been looking for, a compliant Prime Minister who will hand Britain's public services and protections over to US corporations in a free trade deal."


Trump is such an idiot. Corbyn’s response was great though. I’d not seen that in the news!

Dong Zhou wrote: -People remembering Hancock's "Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy and risks a general election. I rule it out and call on all candidates to do the same" and noting his silence today


Hancock ought to be ashamed of himself. You can’t make claims like he did and not follow them through, or acknowledge you’ve changed your mind and outline reasons for doing so. He has shown himself to be spineless and ideologically bankrupt. I hope if we have a general election he is punished.

Dong Zhou wrote: -Bobby Freedman doesn't seem Bercow's biggest fan but warns Boris can not stop the Speaker making a stand


This article is exactly making my earlier point. Bercow is regularly breaking the rules about speaker behaviour. I think what he has done is far worse than Boris’ proroguing of government but have I heard a single Remainer criticise him? No. Blatant hypocrisy. We only care about it when it’s not our team doing it. Boris is using established procedure (perhaps unethically) to aid his political cause. Do I like it? No. Do I think it’s a valid tactic which other factions have used previously? Yes. Bercow on the other hand is literally ignoring and ripping up the rules. Bercow’s behaviour is significantly worse in my opinion.

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I’ve had an interesting week, doing a placement with a Christian charity in a council house estate. A side effect of this week has been positively engaging with some of the charity’s workers over Brexit. It was fascinating. All of their concerns were valid, very few could be led at the feet of the EU. However, I have walked away feeling more than ever that some form of Brexit (I’d really rather we avoided a no deal one…) not happening would be a disaster. The reason these people voted for Brexit is that they feel let down by a system that doesn’t seem to care about them, they don’t feel represented or listened too. Will leaving the EU solve their problems? No. But it might give them the faith to continue to engage in politics so that we can address their concerns.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:53 pm

Week Ahead, Javid row
-Papers on Javid's fury with Boris, Brexit papers feeling Boris gambles are paying off domestically and abroad with poll leads and Telegraph convinced EU is cracking

-D'Arcy seismic week ahead

-Javid trying to get his adviser back, pledges £400m in further education for 16 to 19-year-oldsie T-levels (guess which one has rather more attention) and writes about further education

-David TC Davies (ie the Welsh one) attacks music group The 1975 for (maybe, we shall see) using planes for world tour while actively backing climate change protests

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-Adam Boulton on Boris and his generation of leaders avoiding the media

-Forsyth (sun) predictions on this will play out, prepare for election, Tory purge incoming and other stories

-Charlotte Henry Cummings wind up play has worked

-Alan Lockey says both sides need to calm down but Boris team need to be worried long term


I think he has played the game incredibly well. I’m not as offended by this as everyone else who voted Remain seems to be. Parliament voted to leave. it’s our MPs own fault we’re in this mess. I don’t think it goes against Parliament’s sovereignty. I’m also utterly convinced that if the boot was on the other foot, Remainers would be doing exactly the same thing and the people howling in protest now would be silent.

As for the Queen, there was no right choice, but this was the least bad one in my opinion. If she had refused to prorogue the likes of Corbyn would thank her now, but would use it as a stick to beat the Monarchy later when it became convenient to do so.


I agree with the first line. I also agree that MP's (among others) have got themselves into this mess and it must be tempting for May to say "told you so" and she would be absolutely right. There has been very little awareness from those opposing Boris at how badly they have played their hands since Brexit vote and till they own up to those, mistakes will be repeated.

Obviously I disagree with the last bit, certainly proroguing has always been used tactically (Major did it to avoid cash for questions scandal as PM) and Remainers are certainly capable of rank hypocrisy. However there is reason constitutional experts have condemned it (not just remainers) and given nobody has done something like this for a long long time and never to such length, I'm not sure it sticks that Remainers would have done the same. Other tricks? 100% but not suspending parliament for a record time.

Quite probably right on the Queen

Sun Fin wrote:Hancock ought to be ashamed of himself. You can’t make claims like he did and not follow them through, or acknowledge you’ve changed your mind and outline reasons for doing so. He has shown himself to be spineless and ideologically bankrupt. I hope if we have a general election he is punished.


Agreed.

This article is exactly making my earlier point. Bercow is regularly breaking the rules about speaker behaviour. I think what he has done is far worse than Boris’ proroguing of government but have I heard a single Remainer criticise him? No. Blatant hypocrisy. We only care about it when it’s not our team doing it. Boris is using established procedure (perhaps unethically) to aid his political cause. Do I like it? No. Do I think it’s a valid tactic which other factions have used previously? Yes. Bercow on the other hand is literally ignoring and ripping up the rules. Bercow’s behaviour is significantly worse in my opinion.


Hansard Society condemn Boris move, Lord Kerskale former head of civil service condemns, Lord Laverne former clerk of Commons condemns it, constitutional experts condemn it but the Speaker, the man who has to protect the Commons independence from the executive, is wrong to stand up for the Commons against the executive? I don't get that.

Bercow should go afterwards becuase, fair or not, he is now tainted by this crises and new blood will be needed. He should have gone earlier over culture of bullying and it says a lot about opposition and several Remainers that they protected him. There have been one or two calls where Bercow has been on the dodgy side but not this one

Since when has anybody suspended parliament in a moment like this and for this amount of time? Closest anybody can find is 1948 on the first one, nobody has found comparable for the sheer time scale.

I’ve had an interesting week, doing a placement with a Christian charity in a council house estate. A side effect of this week has been positively engaging with some of the charity’s workers over Brexit. It was fascinating. All of their concerns were valid, very few could be led at the feet of the EU. However, I have walked away feeling more than ever that some form of Brexit (I’d really rather we avoided a no deal one…) not happening would be a disaster. The reason these people voted for Brexit is that they feel let down by a system that doesn’t seem to care about them, they don’t feel represented or listened too. Will leaving the EU solve their problems? No. But it might give them the faith to continue to engage in politics so that we can address their concerns.


Glad you had an intresting week.

I agree actually. I want Remain emotionally don't get me wrong but it would be a disaster. Where I disagree slightly is Brexiting the way it has been done (whatever comes next) won't stop the damage of trust that you rightly fear. It has taken far too long (to a degree I had sympathy with parliament on this once but now has gone way beyond the two years point) and they will remember Remainers trying to frustrate it, ignoring their views or insulting it.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:49 pm

Lots of Brexit, Javid pledges loyalty to Boris
-Barnier says EU won't ditch backstop and is the maximum flexibility they can offer on the matter, Rees-Mogg says Remainers are too scared to risk election, McDonnell calls Boris dictator (I feel this is inaccurate and will not go down well with general public). Corbyn calls for election, CBI warns French and Germany companies weaponizing no-deal Brexit to get custom away from UK rivals but getting a deal would revive economy.

Sir Stramer says this week is last chance and doesn't regret failing to vote for deal three times, Hammond says rumours plans to sack any Tory MP and bar them from standing for general election if they vote against government on Brexit is staggeringly hypocritical given Tory leadership... rebelled on Brexit. IDS (sun) Corbyn is the real coup plotter and Remainers going too far

-Boris says he is hugely enjoying the job and is working non-stop, challenges his side on if they will back him and deliver Brexit or create chaos that overturns democratic result and sees Corbyn become PM

-Papers on Brexit, Mail on Sunday backs Boris

-Javid says he has fantastic relationship with Boris and Labour claims he has lost control of Treasury are ridiculous, normally parliament is in recess so right to progue

I wonder how Javid's staff feel about him right now


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-James Ball the online campaigns being built up by main parties

-Paul Goodman Boris plan

-John Ashmore some of the claims about Boris action are over the top
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