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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:31 am

That Hyde article was awful and frankly offensive. A reminder of why I don’t pay for the guardian.

Trump’s endorsement will be toxic to the public, which shows how out of touch the Tory membership is who seem to think that is a good thing. :roll:

Personally Javid’s campaign sounds better than the other hard Brexiteers but I don’t really have confidence he can deliver it. Both Hancock and Stewart are saying really interesting things and might be future leaders, but their views on Brexit will make them pretty unpalatable to the membership. Gove is the one I really want to hear from. I have pretty high hopes for an imaginative solution from him.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:26 pm

Party bases rarely seem to be in touch with the public

I think Javid having worse delivery then May will count against him (might have worked after Cameron but not after "Maybot"), I also think Hancock and Stewart won't get through but it may work in raising profile (which is what is sometimes the point of leadership bids) and support. Lots of eyes on Gove

more Trump, more leadership moves, Tory purge
-Sunday Telegraph saying Gove is prepared to delay Brexit till late next years (well that will destroy him with Brexiteers and party members), papers think Rudd talks with Boris has broken down and she may back Gove

-Trump says Farage is an asset to UK and loves the country (one of those is, I'm sure, true, the other is not) and UK should be prepared for no deal if EU won't bow to UK demands, not too late to sue EU to increase ammunition against EU, divorce bill is way too big, not offended by Corbyn refusing to attend state banquet but thinks it is a mistake. After Trump's great deals with China, Korea, Iran and Mexico, is there any doubt we should listen to him

-Ben Wallace says intelligence services facing a barrage of attacks and need more resources

-Liz Truss backing Boris, Javid considering scrapping top rate of income tax, Raab says not a feminist

-Dr Philip Lee, former health minister and Remainer, has been no confidenced by Bracknell Conservative Association, Dr Lee says a lot of people who voted against him only joined in the last year. For all the fears there were about Momentum purges, so far it has been Tories purging their ranks of Remainer MP's with surprisingly little alarm/media headlines

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-Ed Davey national government needed to deliver referendum (I don't think that would remotely help the Remain cause)

-Farage says, like Trump, he will smash two party system. Trump's more a Corbyn in that respect I would have thought as he did it from within the two party system

-Khan says Trump and Farage are using language of 20th century fascists

-Elphicke concerned at rising numbers of migrants found crossing channel


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-Joey D'Urso Tory candidates use of social media

-Rawnsley Corbyn is losing allies and his inner circle is vulnerable

-Rentoul Gove to win

-Adam Boulton don't rule out Boris
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:18 pm

Trump vs Khan round 500, yet another Tory candidate, Corbyn slights his own MP's and Brexit

-Papers on Trump vs China and Hauwei

-Javid and Hunt question using Huawei, Boris suggests spend at least £5,000 on every secondary school pupil, non-standing Brokenshire says those candidates with no chance need to withdraw as way too many. Gyimah says he would back second referendum and vote remain but not campaign, Leadsom says May's deal is dead and still believes in managed no deal (despite EU saying no. Repeatedly). Hancock says no deal won't be allowed by parliament so he proposes end date for backstop (EU sees that as defeating the point of backstop), unilaterally guarantee the rights of EU citizens and a Irish Border Council. Rory Stewart says reality is there is no alternative deal as EU won't renegotiate,

-Trump says Farage should have been involved in Brexit talks and we would be in better position if we had, complains he can't get Fox News here (it struggled for audience here and Ofcom said it breached impartiality rules). Woody Johnson says UK would have to accept UK agriculture standards and everything has to to be on table with trade talks, including NHS which he calls pride of UK. Hancock and Hunt both rule out NHS being part of trade deal, Trump uses twitter to insult Major Khan (presumably over the fascist language comments) as a stone cold loser, very dumb, incompetent and mocks his size, Khan's team respond with Trump being the "most egregious example of a growing far-right threat around the globe, which is putting at risk the basic values that have defined our liberal democracies for more than 70 years" and not a man who shares London's values on diversity and woman rights with a highlight on abortion (there is some suspicion Sadiq Khan knows how good this row is for his poll numbers with election for him next year). Hunt blames Khan for the insults and says Trump was very clear on his views on Khan when he got off the plane, Labour MP's like Abbott and Cooper not so relaxed.

-Brokenshire (as a personal idea rather then an official idea) suggests people should be allow to use part of pension pot to buy home, Rudd's department not pleased this wasn't even discussed with them

-Sam Gyimah running as feels MP's are either no dealing or trying variants of a dead deal

-Ireland's Europe Minister Helen McEntee tweets "The Withdrawal Agreement will not change. The backstop cannot change. Much of what was in the Withdrawal Agreement was asked for by UK. They were not bystanders in the two years it took to negotiate. Bit of realism needed." Hammond says plans to renegotiate are not realistic from Tory contenders, no deal and no Brexit are both unacceptable so uncomfortable compromises will have to be made

-Government looking to regulate funeral providers and funeral plans

-Pensions Minister Guy Opperman wants pension funds to do more in moving money away from fossil fuels towards climate change friendly investments

-Eyes very much turning towards Peterborough marginal by-election and if Brexit party can take it

-Number of British applying for Irish passports keeps on rising

-Corbyn cancels meeting with Labour MP's due to Peterborough byelection trip. Which is somewhat undermined as he then declares he will speak at an anti-Trump rally.

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-Widdecombe says science may find answer for homosexuality since senescence can now change gender, it has not gone down well.

-Morgan backs Gove and urges leadership candidates to talk about economy, Nigel Evans jokes he is still not standing for leadership, Ken Clarke says the amount of candidates turning contest into tragic farce

-UKIP aiming for new leader in place by August 10th

-Hoey condemns Labour reaction to Trump visit as hysterical and he was democratically elected

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-Ian Birrell does not predict good things from Tory contest

-Two editorials about Trump the Sun and Independent

-John Harris on a weary divided country and Remainers and liberal left have a fair share of blame to take for that
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:36 pm

Trump fairly well behaved, Change UK falls apart, Tory leadership race sees drop outs and 1922 acting to slim it down

-Trump praises UK and says trade deal ready once UK shackles are off in tweet, Queen seen as taking a shot at Trump's failure to support Nato and Trump using WW2 to encourage Brexit in otherwise usual flannel of how much bond/love we share, Mike Pompeo says trade deal with UK is priority but won't say which of EU or UK they want a deal with first with Trump later saying there is a chance for a substantial deal with huge opportunities and jokes May should stick around (probably meant well but tactless). Trump private talks with May cancelled and will just be the two meeting as part of delegations with May vowing to discuss climate change, embarrassment as Queen displays the pewter horse statue given by Trump 11 months ago and he doesn't recognise it (Melania Trump comes to rescue), allegations Trump fistbumped Queen (then was a fuss when he seems to not shake May's hand but did her husband, both sides have shrugged this off and there had been handshakes earlier). Thornberry defends Labour's attitude towards Trump as they consider him a sexual predator and a racist and they took tougher stance with USA as close friend whereas China isn't, Khan calls Trump poster-boy of the far right, Farage and IDS+Owen Paterson meet Trump

Trump manages to behave in press conference with May, praising relationship, not creating controversy (for May), praising May and her work on Brexit, Huawei not issue as they will come to an agreement on the matter, carefully (after being asked about this) says everything is open in trade talks but only if UK agrees to a deal would deal happen. After May says she rejected Trump's advice to EU and got a good deal) says he would have sued EU but he might well have ended up settling with EU and ok for May to go her own path, likes Boris and Hunt but doesn't know Gove. Opens himself up for ridicule by claiming thousands flocked to see him (they didn't) but also put Corbyn "negative force" into trouble. Corbyn the boycotter asked to see Trump, Corbyn was rejected and Labour have admitted this is true. Asked about Khan he keeps relatively restrained to poor mayor and negative force he needs to concentrate on the job

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-Papers on Trump visit, nobody impressed by Khan spat but feeling Trump behaved himself once he got off the plane while press split on Corbyn's protest

-Boris seeking judicial review over whether judges were correct to allow prosecution of him for alleged misconduct

-Labour MP's and their staff raise concerns about how harassment complaints about David Prescott, a staffer for Corbyn, was handled amidst rumours Corbyn's team blocked attempts to suspend Prescott. Labour said there was no formal complaint so they couldn't suspend

-Hammond and McDonnell argue over if UN report into poverty and austerity is credible or not but Hammond admits for many the market isn't working as it should

-Dr Fox backs Hunt, Cleverly withdraws saying party not comfortable with leadership skipping a generation and he had little chance of winning, Gove (who once did a puff piece/interview on Trump when on backbenches) gets boost of private meeting with Trump. Boris has meeting with Trump but turns down one to one meeting due to hustings. Nigel Evans suggests a 12 MP backing requirement for leadership candidate, leadership candidates quick to deny NHS is up for US talks.Malthouse withdraws as had been hoping for long contest that allowed outsiders like him a chance to build momentum but clear party wants a short contest. 1922 Committee changes rules, applications to run formerly have 10am to 5pm next Monday to do so and require eight MP's backing, MP section of contest will last fortnight with lowest out each round but also thresholds in first two rounds to try to slim the numbers.

-Seems like the anti-Trump protesters have not got the numbers of last time and don't seem to have quite grabbed the attention either

-Sadiq Khan reads out ((warning, Islamophobic and violent content )some of the abuse and threats he gets

-I wonder if there might be some backlash on the Corbyn-Trump thing. Failing to meet was always divisive, he might have managed to straddle that somehow by going "look I felt state banquet was wrong and protested but in wider interests, I tried to set up a meeting" (though failing to get one never looks good) but instead Trump revealed it and it becomes a big exposed secret, of Corbyn not being 100% honest.

-Change UK splits with six MP's leaving including their leader. Heidi Allen, Luciana Berger, Gavin Shuker, Angela Smith, Chuka Umunna and Dr Woolostan are becoming independents again. Soubry becomes leader of the remaining five (Chris Leslie, Ann Coffey, Mike Gapes and Joan Ryan) promising to keep fighting (this has just been farcical from near the start).

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-Mark Wallace not a good sign that Trump rather then Tory contest has the headlines

-Zoe Williams Trump visit shows Brexit has cost us sovereignty

-Hinsliff worried by Corbyn joining anti-Trump protests
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:01 pm

Speaking on nothing but instinct here but I wonder if Trump’s comments on the NHS will prove critical in the no deal debate.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:29 pm

Sun Fin wrote:Speaking on nothing but instinct here but I wonder if Trump’s comments on the NHS will prove critical in the no deal debate.


It may well shape the leadership debates. That Trump had no idea what the NHS was (which is fair enough) isn't going to stop the panic

hustings, Trump, channel 4 to host leadership debate, Thornberry snubbed
-Channel 4 doing first leadership hustings: Sunday 16th June at 18.30

-Press angry at being shut out of the first Tory leadership hustings. Javid says mistake to try to be Brexit party and would be disaster if next leader tries to exploit divisions in country and the party has to evolve or people will vote for change via Corbyn (and seems to have got warm response at hustings). Boris says second referendum would be very divisive and opposes it with every fibre of his being, rules out coalition with Brexit party and Corbyn's Labour is weakest opposition in a generation, Brady amendment has support of Commons but they must be prepared for no deal if needed, Boris feels he is best placed to lift the party and excite people again, Brexit has to be delivered, won't call an election. Leadsom says she offers decisive leadership and three point managed Brexit plan including EU citizens rights, cross-party commission on social care, goes big on climate change and wants to host next climate change conference, Rory Stewart vows to be truth teller as only way Tories can win is if they face up to real problems.

-Trump now admits (having denied it and called it fake news) he called Markel nasty but says he meant he was unaware she was being nasty, says she is doing a good job and is very nice, says he doesn't see NHS up for trade, felt it would be inappropriate to meet Corbyn (little unclear how that is wrong but meeting Farage, ERG representatives and some of the runners for leader is ok), later tells Vadaker the border issue will work out as good minds working on it and compares it to Mexico border issue (his reassurances undermined by Vadarker having to explain we don't want a wall)

-Papers focus on Trump either snubbing Corbyn or having eyes on NHS or Boris warning delaying Brexit would make Tory party extinct. Journalists musing on ChangeUK, the mistakes they made but also sympathy and a sense the MP's were brave to try whatever errors they made

-Welsh Government pulls the M4 Relief road plans for third time on environmental grounds, Westminster government not pleased. Welsh Labour now back Remain rather then soft Brexit.

-Dr Fox says no deal could be abused but it needs to remain a negotiating weapon, Williamson feels MP's starting to realize only Boris can save the party, Morgan says Boris was subdued but it also showed his serious side. Stewart says Boris and others are misleading public about being able to get a new deal by October 31st and their policy would be a catastrophe, Baker says he will stand if MP's ask him to, Hunt says he would be first PM who had been a successful entrepreneur.

-Grayling says people should be able to check petrol prices on app and accuses industry of taking advantage of drivers

-Farage refuses to attend EU Committee hearing into Banks donation and his Brexit party won't join far-right Europe of Nations and Freedom Group in the European parliament

-Everyone makes pro-veterans, pro-WW2 statements for D-Day commemorations with Morduant pleading with journalists to stop asking if she will run for leadership so focus can be on the soldiers

-Corbynite's future hope Long-Bailey given PMQ' by Corbyn, a snub to Thornberry whose reaction to Labour's heroic defeat at MEP elections probably did not go down well, and apparently (I have had hearing problems so didn't hear it myself) she did well at PMQ's, detailed and built well on green issues

-ERG publish Brexit paper, experts reaction can be best be described as not very impressed. David Hening calls it embarrassing for example though Peter Foster senses a deeper meaning beneath the trolling

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-Goodman not convinced leader's backstory matters

-Julian Jessop defends US trade deal in regards NHS

-Behr UK can't afford a Trump like strategy

-Chris Mason Tory hustings

-Rentoul on ChangeUK

-Beth Rigby Farage's rise can be stopped by deal
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:47 pm

Ford plant closing, Tory leadership, Brexit
-In more hustings, Raab says only one with credible Brexit plan and he has negotiating skills having seen EU strengths and weaknesses up close while bemoaning feminist agenda of positive discrimination, Gove says he could extend Brexit and dismisses the idea there are easy Brexit answers that will solve everything by October 31st but looking for movement on backstop, Hancock attacks Corbyn's anti-Semitism and says needing a Brexiteer leader is a unicorn, Hunt says parliament will block no deal so best to have someone who can get a better deal that will pass parliament.

-Hancock says he would repeal some of the tendering requirements in NHS, would partly reverse the axing of nursing student bursary, cyberflashing could be made illegal. Gove says he has evolved and is no longer a neo-con with his stance against Trump on Iran showing that, an attempt to no deal would lead to no confidence vote and Corbyn in power, he has been a life long Brexiteer and is a serious figure for serious times with words like vassal state is inappropriate (last three seen as shots at Boris though last one is an ERG fav word).

Boris daily carefully announced "I suppose Boris" is giving him a real sense of momentum and across party feel, Leadsom would do monthly phone-in's, McVey would only have Brexiteer's in cabinet till Brexit happened. Charles Walker (joint chair of 1922 Committee at moment) says he would expect MP part of contest to take two week at most, Raab refuses to rule out proroguing parliament to get no deal through but Hancock challenges all others to promise to refuse to take such action (Leadsom has).

Stewart wishes to double Dfid spending on climate change, Gyimah accuses rivals of Trump like male machismo in thinking they can get better deal then May (might be an element of it but they also blame the male Olly Robbins, it is more a "traitors and lacking British backbone" then sexisim), Jesse Norman rules himself out but sets out some idea's.Mercer says Boris the liberal mayor of London is running not the Trump backer, Tracy Crouch backs Hancock, Labour's Chapman thinks Stewart has redefined how people will run leadership campaigns, Bob Neill backs Gove.

-Papers on D-Day and generally feel Trump was well behaved

-Letter from Hammond to May warning decarbonizing to zero by 2050 will cost £1 trillion has leaked, number 10 indicates disagreement by mentioning people sometimes don't take into account cost benefits or costs of failing to act in such calculations a

-BBC on the Brexit stances of Tory candidates

-Thornberry says referendum may be a long way off which is a change, shadow Brexit minister Jenny Chapman says she was a soft Brexit dealer but doesn't feel such a deal can be done so referendum should be done. Mel Stride indicates disapproval of dragging Queen into Brexit by proroguing for tactical advantage and Bercow has indicated he would all in his power to block such a move, Trump says people working very hard on Brexit talks and it will somehow all work out. After some confusion number 10 rules out May going during summer recess so new leader will face MP's

-Alarm as Ford's Bridgend plant to close in September next year but they say they are still committed to UK and deny it is Brexit related

-Alistair Campbell hires lawyers to fight expulsion

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-Grimson on Gove's chances

-Larry Elliot says Corbyn is correct, his Remainers critics are not

-Fraser Myers thinks NHS trade deals scares are just to bash Brexit

-James Lansdale on lessons from Trump's visit

-Alex Massie ChangeUK botched it

-Katya Adler EU thinking on backstop
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:14 pm

Peterborough by-election, Brexit, anti-Semitism
Peterborough by-election-Labour holds by 683. A marginal seat that Labour had taken off Stewart Jackson (who then served as David Davis chief of staff as Brexit secretary) in 2017 but Fiona Onasanya had been recalled after being found guilty of perjury speeding, a very Brexit area with 62.1%. Had been eyes on this from the off as thought would be close battle between Tories and Labour but EU elections had turned this into Brexit party vs Labour, initially had been felt Brexit party would win and Farage was there for the account but mood changed during the final day that Labour would hold. Turnout was a respectable 48.3%

Labour I would normally congratulate Lisa Forbes, former trade union official, but given Jewish groups including British Board of deputies asked Labour to deselect her given her history, not going to. Got over 10,000 votes, a 30.9% share (lowest share for a by-election since either 1918 or 1945) but a decline of 17.2% from predecessor, a day of shame for this country. Labour reduced share is ok give the circumstances of the election were going to hit Labour hard, it will be a big relief for Corbyn and their getting boots on ground seems to have worked. Is this a game changer and that Labour are ok? No, not with all the other elections and polls but their local campaign team pulled off a much needed win and wouldn't have such numbers across all seats in a general election. That will give Corbyn some breathing space in the rows going on, he is arguing it shows anti-austerity arguments can beat Brexit if they focus on those issues. Corbyn says it shows anti-austerity message works and despite hostile media, they can win a general election as they beat hostile media here, everyone wrote Labour off (next will be the ref), shows they win via hope rather then division. However some MP's are not pleased given Forbes history and fear it shows party has still not learnt

Brexit party Over 9,000 vote and a 28.9% share with former Tory donor and businessman Mike Green going close but poor expectation management means a impressive (ish) narrow defeat has turned into a loss of momentum. There were accusations about past investments in group that brought down British Steel that may not have helped in last 48 hours, their party machine is not Labour or Momentum's yet and normally this result would be great for a new party. The problem is there have been umpteen near misses for Farage's parties, lots of talk of winning (and expectation management could have been better) but they always never quite. UKIP did hold two seats at their peak but both were sitting MP's defecting from Tories, one lost at next general election and though Douglas Carswell held on for awhile, he was the anti-Farage and had a strong personal following in Clacton so Farage got little credit. Farage can't seem to land that win, the questions of too toxic even for a heavy Brexit area, that he can only get a certain point. Farage quick to say it shows end of two party area and he never felt they would win

Tories and others: Over 7,000 votes and 21.4% share with a loss of 25.5% of share for Paul Bristow, a by-election can squeeze votes as soon as clear who two front runners are though they weren't too far behind the other two, I expected them to be even more squeezed. This could either be "if we get our house in order, we can fight back" or "BECOME THE BREXIT PARTY" and suspect the answer they will get is the second. Lib Dems up with 4,000 votes at 12.3% seeing a sizeable leap of 8.9%, Greens did go up 1.3% to 3.1% share which Labour may use to try to squeeze Remain votes in future. Hunt, Gove and Hancock says result shows Tories have no future till Brexit is solved but Boris, Raab, McVey says shows it must be done by Oct31st, Stewart says Tories need to reach out to young Remain voters, is a sense Boris would have been helped by Brexit party winning


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-Papers on D-Day commemorations and Brexit with a sense Boris has momentum

-Rudd "I think it's outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament. We are not Stuart kings.", National Audit Office finds government has spent £97 million on Brexit preparation so far, Farage says no Tory candidate has the guts to take us out on October 31st without a win. Zahwai has a really bad time on Thursday Politics Live over if Raab would prorogue parliament, Corbyn says Tories are only offering shades of no deal

-May formally stands down as Tory leader, rumours she and Hammond are in a row over her wishes to make spending pledges to mark her going to define her legacy

-BBC's first leader debate will be Tuesday 18 June at 20:00 BST, broadcast on BBC One.

-Former SNP MP Natalie McGarry jailed for embezzlement

-Brandon Lewis denies Tories have a problem with entryisim

-Sir Professor Curtice says Peterborough shows we now live in a four party system, that Labour is losing votes to Brexit party and Lib Dems

-Jewish Labour Movement asks Labour to withdraw the whip from new MP Lisa Forbes, Board of Deputies of British Jews, the Jewish Leadership Council and the Community Security Trust joint statement express concern at the initial incident and lack fo contact from Labour or Forbes on the matter

-High Court dismisses prosecutions of Boris

-Muslim Council of Britain asks if Javid wasn't at State Banquet of Trump due to being a Muslim

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-Jon Craig signifiant failure for Farage, Rentoul on Peterborough not being a great signal for the future, Comres Chris Hopkinslessons from Peterborough, Lewis Goodall his views on Peterborough, Victory Honeyman victory for party machine

-Sam Lampier looks at data of if people really are more sympathetic to immigration

-Hinsliff worried new PM might not seek election

-Matt Singh confusing polls
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:13 pm

Drug scandal, honors, Lib Dem leadership candidates confirmed
-The "vote Brexit, get Corbyn" argument is already being made by Tory figures with Peterborough being used as example of how it is splitting vote, Brexit party arguing similarly (just other way rund)

-Gove admits to taking cocaine as a journalist 20 years ago and deeply regrets it, argues it shouldn't be held against his leadership bid. Hunt admits to having cannabis lassi while backpacking through India

My attitude on this is either police arrest every politician who admits it (including Cameron) because if they are going to arrest young black drug takers then they must be consistent against whomever it, however rich and powerful they are ot aren't. Or all similar such drugs arrests should be released and their records expunged, the laws changed. I mind the hypocrisy and once rule for the rich white people far more then they took drugs, I mind that it is ok from them but never bring through drug reform. I don't think it should hit chances for Tory leadership or press salivate about it as they do

-Papers on Gove, Peterborough and honours list (Telegraph not happy head of CBI Carolyn Fairbairn is to get a Dame-hood due to "project Fear, that the telegraph opposes CBI head getting an award is a strange new world)

-Culture Committee summons Jeremy Kyle

-Greens start party conference in Scarborough

-Knighthoods for George Howarth, former health minister Norman Lamb, and former MP Brian Donohoe, Damehood for outgoing Conservative MEP for the North West Jacqueline Foster while CBE for MEP for Wales Derek Vaughan

-D'Arcy Week Ahead, first of many quiet ones

-Confirmed that Lib Dem leadership only has two candidate, former energy secretary Ed Davey and deputy leader Jo Swinson with result on 23rd July

-Condemnation across all parties of homophobic attack on tube

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-Mockery as Farage and Tice go to empty number 10 to hand in demand to be part of negotiating team. When they want no deal

-Streeting on his boycott and mixed feelings on Peterborough by-election, Dame Louise Ellman calls for Forbes to be suspended and investigated

-Reeves talks of [url=https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/08/margaret-bondfield-theresa-may-female-mps[ Margaret Bondfield, the first female cabinet minister [/url]-Lords win tug of war 2-1

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-Charlotte Henry on [url=https://www.thearticle.com/the-demise-of-change-uk-was-far-from-inevitable-a-post-mortem-is-needed-urgently] ChangeUk failure[/url]

-Forsyth (sun) Boris in front, anti-Corbyn vote split, May shouldn't do a splurge and other stories

-Joey D'Urso Tory leader candidates support on social media

-Katy Balls state of leadership contest

-Rentoul Peterborough makes general election less likely

-Rachael Sarr reality checks US access to NHS
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:10 pm

Do you not think there is a difference between someone currently taking drugs and someone who did 20 years ago? If Gove was caught taking them now then I think he should be arrested but I don’t think drug takers should be when it’s a historic crime.

That said, I would prefer our system was one of compulsory rehab rather than prison time for those taking drugs.
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