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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun May 19, 2019 4:11 pm

-Sunday Telegraph accuses May of blocking N.Ireland soldiers amnesty, Sunday Express poll says Farage is best placed to lead negotiations

-May asks MP's to take fresh look at deal, Sir Stramer calls for second referendum or for government to seek EU changes to bill and doesn't blame Tory teams Labour talked with but those outside who undermined the talks. Corbyn says free movement would be part of negotiations with EU (this might cause a row)

-Government attempt to get workers on boards has failed with the 100 biggest companies refusing to do so

-Police investigating as "traitor" is graffiti on Byrant's office, clashes at a Tommy Robinson rally

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-Freeman, Nicky Morgan, Afolami, Chloe Smith and Sir Soames One Nation Conservativism

-Creasy says how can anyone abuse social democrats like Tom Watson for being socially democratic on Brexit, gets called a right-wing Zionist zealot from Labour members, didn't join a cult and Momentum clear they want her gone but isn't sure what Momentum wants to achieve. To make change as she has done requires talking to all and going beyond echo chamber, is anti-Semitism in her local community.

-Clive Lewis thinks Brexit and Labour's handling of it has resuscitated Lib Dems (Neil Coyle agrees), Lord Heseltine says he will vote Lib Dems for first time, Independent with 30 best Brexit jokes, Umunna says not time for referendum before Brexit deadline.

-Geoffrey Robinson denies Czech intelligence services allegations (why is it always that country's past intelligence services involved in these allegations)

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-Rawnsley talks failure reflects out culture

-Rentoul Politics isn't broken and Farage+left playing dangerous game saying it is
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon May 20, 2019 6:55 pm

-Papers sceptical May's changes to Brexit bill mean much

-Convney says new leader of UK won't be able to reopen Brexit talks, May is a decent person, Tory MP's are impossible on Brexit and attempts to oust May are extraordinary, too many MP's don't understand the complexity of N.Ireland, continuing to plan for no deal.

-Ellwood says historical cases in N.Ireland haven't been handed in best way but simply applying amnesty to UK soldiers would breach international law and would require IRA also being given amensty which May is not willing to do

-Rory Stewart says focus is on Labour votes to try to get deal they all want, Sir Cable says Lib Dems will support a deal subject to referendum, Corbyn says indicative votes agreement is unlikely to get agreed with EU in time of deadline (ie he won't accept whatever parliament decides). Cabinet to discuss indicative votes tomorrow, Barnier says EU preparing for no deal but not the solution they want, EU is willing to offer all sorts of Brexits but current deal is only way to ensure orderly Brexit

-Javid warns he will soon ban British nationals from Syria and will target foreign powers with refreshing of espionage and treason laws

Ashworth jokingly says Eurovision voters should have trolled Farage by ensuring we host Eurovision

-Hancock says Tory leader should be chosen for long term future and needs to be in centre ground

-McVey launches Blue Collar Conservativism (seen as a leadership thing), wants aid money cut and wouldn't rule out pact with Brexit party,would only back someone as leader who believes in Brexit with passion, misreads script to say they have to “clear up the mess that was left by the Conservatives”. Sir Soames running for leadership but more in a "well why not" then serious

-Farage hit by milkshake in Newcastle with Farage (unsurprisingly) unhappy with security that this has finally happened, he says some Remainers have been radicalised and it makes normal type of campaigning impossible (this kind of nasty thing was happening to him before referendum though but he is right to be angry), Brendon Cox has condemned the incident as normalizing violence with politicians like Blair also condemning the attack.

-Hunt appoints former PPS Rita French as our first ambassador of human rights (a role other countries have)

-Electoral Commission to visit Brexit party offices to check they are complying with donation laws

-HS2 being seen as a leadership battle line for Tories

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-Gordon Brown wants investigation into Brexit party donations which Farage calls hypocritical (Lord Levy) and jealous slander, Maskell Labour can beat Farage, Davies switches against May's deal aganst next PM should have right to set the terms

-Nicky Morgan One nation Tories

-Heidi Allen says format of Change.UK might change before general election

-Greens join sister parties across Europe asking EU to force member states to guarantee people a minimum income

-Gordon Brown says SNP pushing a more extreme version of independence but ruins talk of accountability by refusing to take questions

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-John Harris Tories losing Remain base
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue May 21, 2019 6:48 pm

-Papers on Farage attack, Sun saying Boris team will go to court if a sense that MP's vote tactically to block him from power

-May in public speech says Brexit has been harder to deliver then she expected and she has even offered her job to get it past with only 30 MP's voting differently could have got it through, will create public obligation for government to seek alternative arrangements for backstop before December 2020, parliament should instruct on customs future, negioating objectives and trade deals will have to be voted on, bill will require vote on second referendum or not. Vote it down and only route forward is referendum or general election. Her deal is a huge opportunity for the future but it is slipping away, she has compromised so asks for MP's to do likewise

-Hammond warns against populist right who would knowing harm the economy via no deal (seen as attack on Boris) and no mandate for no deal, Leadsom says no deal means an important negotiating position. Corbyn says May's deal doesn't seem fundamentally different from before. Grayling and Leadsom seem to have prevented guaranteed second referendum, DUp says fundamental flaws remain with May's deal

-Whip withdrawn from Lord Hesltine, Tory leadership respect his long held views but voting for another party goes against the rules but are open to returning it if he supports Tory candidates in future, MP's seem split on this.

-Rudd launches one nation group to ensure one Tories get voices heard better within party, well noted Boris has said he supports one nation Tories amidst rumours they will agree to back him if he promises to seek EU deal

-Javid wants a Foreign Agents Register (similar to US version), 19 terrorist plots foiled in last two years

-Andrew Jenkyns raises why the sickening email she got from Remainer about how she should die and about what she should be done to her insides was not picked up y BBC or left-wing media and discussed as part of "abuse is wrong"

-Corbyn says nationalising British Steel should be option on table if agreement can't be found

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-Raab wants basic rate of income tax should be cut to 15p.

-McVey says Tories failure to deliver Brexit has broken trust, Sir Cable says Remainers anger shouldn't be underestimated, Caroline Lucas says backing freedom of movement and Remain is a vote winner as Labour supporters become squeamish about Corbyn's Brexit stance, Rees-Mogg takes Davies line of won't vote for deal to avoid tying May's successor hands. Percy, Halfon, Simon Clarke and Goldsmith are now against May's deal because of the referendum bit, ERG says this is worse then before

-Farage says Electoral Commission visit is bad faith and politically motivated, parties terrified of Brexit party as most voters will stick with them after MEP elections, muses he might follow Beppe Grillo of Five Stars Movement and not stand for Westminster

-Rees-Mogg rules out standing for leader and backs Boris

-Twitter spat going on where Jenkyns tweets a leadership article and says Atkins treated her+staff badly so she wouldn't back her in leadership, Sir Soames says it is balls while Jenkyns says he wasn't there, Sandbach points out Jenkyns didn't read the article as it has Atkins rule herself out of leadership bid so Jenkyns says Sandbach always butts in

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-Kuessenberg on why government believes it might get May's deal through

-Peter Kellner says MEP polls being misused

-Simon Kelner Brexit could lead to proportional representation

-Andrew Grimson on One Nation Tories are more Stanley Baldwin then Disraeli
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed May 22, 2019 4:30 pm

Heavy rumours May could be ousted tonight
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed May 22, 2019 6:08 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:Heavy rumours May could be ousted tonight


and once more heavy rumours=damp squip

news of the day including Brexit statement and growing problems for May
-Papers on May's Brexit gamble (few think she will succeed) and the bad business news, Sun predicts another coup against May. During day, press had strong sense it is over for May

-May's statement: Brexit bill will be published on Friday (avoids election purdah, cabinet had put whether it would be published at all in doubt), says she will soon be gone but MP's need to take decisions rather then duck them, confirms early June for vote and believes it would allow them to leave by June 31st, fears for UK union if no deal Brexit, doesn't commit to free vote on custom plans. Corbyn says technology for backstop alternatives do not exist and that May should call election as her time is up. Meanwhile a sense of something was up, that cabinet ministers were doing something as if get to recess May would be safe for two weeks at least (though some wondered if merely sought to remove the Brexit deal which they felt was going further then discussed at cabinet), Mundell, Javid and Hunt asked for private meeting with May but were rejected. According to Thomas Newton Dunn May's loyalists was telling him "Her calculation is they won’t have the balls to come for her, because none of the leadership contenders want to be seen holding the knife - and she’s probably right”. Julian Smith meet with 1922 Committee but nothing decided and he was only there for two minutes to tell them she is not going tonight, Brady will met May on Friday

-Some British expats in France have not got their ballots in time, apparently some councils didn't use Royal Mail and it got dispatched via Netherlands

-Brexit Party have banned Channel 4 after the channel raised concerns about a donation to Farage. They don't like accountability or free press it would seem

-Maria Miller wants stronger protections for new or expectant mothers from being punished by employers

-Government will introduce new controls on single use plastic items next year

-Inflation up to 2.1% due to energy price rises

-When even the media performer Gove bungles an interview by suggesting withdrawal bill might not come before parliament (though some sense cabinet might block that happening as they sense defeat), you know things are bad, he wasn't at all strong in defending May either. Says Boris served with distinction as Foreign Secretary, a huge admirer of Boris and his flair+intellect

-Lord Andrew Cooper, Cameron's former speech writer, has Tory whip withdrawn after following Lord Hesletine to vote with Lib Dems. Lord Michael Cashman is doing likewise from Labour bench but not heard of he wil have Labour whip removed

-According to Tim Shipman "Julian Smith, Sajid Javid and Geoffrey Cox were all late to PMQs. Gove, Truss, Leadsom, Fox, Grayling all still absent", though Grayling was in Germany the slow arrival and some not turn up's of May's frontbench for PMQ's was damaging and increased speculation of a cabinet revolt. Leadsom turned up for May's Brexit statement

-May pounded on soldiers being investigated for past actions in N.Ireland by her backbenchers during PMQ's

-Sir Cable confirms he will go after MEP elections with Lib Dems ideally having new leader by summer

-Apparently Ruth Davidson vs Sturgeon got unusually heated with Davidson's shot about if Sturgeon stood up to Salmond drawing gasps

-Heidi Allen has offered to resign as ChangeUk leader as party is in row over whether to back Lib Dems outside of London and south East

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-Cliffton-Brown who has voted for May's deal every time will vote against which is a huge signal (that Boris has also said he won't is rather less of a signal), Umunna says it is wrong to attack and disparage Remainer communities as Waitrose shopping metropolitan elite, Raab and Boris feels May's new deal breaches manifesto. Jenkyns getting a lot of mockery for not being able to explain WTO basics while demanding we go onto WTO terms. Francois walks out as point for May's Brexit statement

-Brexit Party would get rid of House of Lords and Electoral Commission (not worrying at all they would get rid of the regulator....), Farage says Brexit party victory would bring down May and possibly Corbyn as well

-Sir Jenkin says there is respect and affection for May but also lots of anger for mistakes she has made, Whittingdale says May should go now, Boles says his record shows he is not a May fan but sicking seeing her former allies turning on her like this, Crabb (who backed May's deal every time) says she has to go now, Loughton submits letter of no confidence (he says he hasn't done that in all his 22 years), IDS speculates Trump could cancel visit due to May's difficulties.

-An idiot got into confrontation with the Welsh David Davies (who wears body-cam's for such occasions) who calls the life long Brexiteer a Remoaner (he asks her where the hell she was when he campaigned for Brexit), snowflake, a liar because he voted for deal (then declares he can't of read the deal if he voted for it), a traitor. I'm sorry for her educators who must feel ashamed that she is so badly educated and ill-mannered to embarrass herself so badly like this, it's funny watching the presenter and Davis look of amusements during her rants

-European Parliament's advisory committee looking at alleged donation Aaron Banks made to Farage

-Change.UK have some adverts saying they are running to stay in the UK

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-Lara Spirit want youths to be given something to vote for rather then against

-Matthew O'Toole Westminster failure to understand Britishness has hampered Brexit talks

-Paul Goodman bemoans May's plans and won't urge people to back Tories this election

-Alex Massie warns things are going to get worse
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Lord Yang Jiahua » Thu May 23, 2019 9:42 am

Dong Zhou wrote:[quote="Dong Zhou"
-An idiot got into confrontation with the Welsh David Davies (who wears body-cam's for such occasions) who calls the life long Brexiteer a Remoaner (he asks her where the hell she was when he campaigned for Brexit), snowflake, a liar because he voted for deal (then declares he can't of read the deal if he voted for it), a traitor. I'm sorry for her educators who must feel ashamed that she is so badly educated and ill-mannered to embarrass herself so badly like this, it's funny watching the presenter and Davis look of amusements during her rants


Sure you arent in America?

To be fair though, thats some sheer convenience to be wearing a body-cam, but its also equally odd a comment, considering in America nobody would respond with "Im sure her teachers are disappointed in her", i.e general lack of manners as part of education here but also just general lack of manners. Among ourselves, sure, but anything remotely public we never hear the "you should be ashamed of yourself" reaction.

Didn't they already fail two no-confidence votes, May doesn't need to go anywhere at this point. She better say something for herself though, otherwise they're gonna write her down in the history books as a sort of political victim "I tried my best they just wouldnt agree with me i.e Parliament"
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu May 23, 2019 10:18 am

Lord Yang Jiahua wrote:Sure you arent in America?

To be fair though, thats some sheer convenience to be wearing a body-cam, but its also equally odd a comment, considering in America nobody would respond with "Im sure her teachers are disappointed in her", i.e general lack of manners as part of education here but also just general lack of manners. Among ourselves, sure, but anything remotely public we never hear the "you should be ashamed of yourself" reaction.

Didn't they already fail two no-confidence votes, May doesn't need to go anywhere at this point. She better say something for herself though, otherwise they're gonna write her down in the history books as a sort of political victim "I tried my best they just wouldnt agree with me i.e Parliament"


Yeah the issues of anger, while inflamed here via Brexit, seems to be a global issue

Sorry the "I'm sorry for her educators who must feel ashamed that she is so badly educated and ill-mannered to embarrass herself so badly like this, it's funny watching the presenter and Davis look of amusements during her rants
" was me rather then Davies and should have made that clearer, nobody would go down that route in public life. Davies did a few responses like pointing out he was Brexiteer, pointed out he had fought for it whereas she had done nothing then just let her humiliate herself

There was one confidence vote by Commons which May survived but can be tried any time with only convention and backlash stopping any abuse of Labour's right to do so. There was another by her own party which she survived and party rules state they can't for a year but there are other ways to press May to go if they have the competence and the actual guts to do it. I think May's "seriously, you guys keep voting it down" is her best narrative, she is barred from saying anything substantial today due to election purdah (if she resigned today, it isn't 100% clear if any news channel could actually tell us till ballots closed). Friday will be the big test as is a two week break for parliment so any coup has to be then and May may try to define the narrative there as she tries to ride it out or try to find a dignified way out
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu May 23, 2019 10:25 am

As Dong alluded too, big day today. My wife and I are about to head to the polling station now! I'll be voting for the least worst option rather than a party that inspires me.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu May 23, 2019 6:27 pm

Usual "don't click till after you have voted". Note there will be no exit poll or vote count tonight as some countries in Europe vote on Sunday so count only after the Sunday elections are done

-Leader of the Commons Andrea Leadsom resigns, didn't forewarn number 10, says she doesn't believe new Brexit bill delivers on referendum result, opposes referendum and feels tolerance of Remainer cabinet members has led to broken cabinet responsibility. Knows timing is bad with elections but can't bring forward Brexit bill as would be her duty today, respects integrity, resolution and determination. Is 36th resignation of May's time but press seeing the irony of the one who (due to scandal) resigned form leadership contest that allowed May to become leader could be the resignation that delivers the final blow to May. Watson calls it slap in face to Tory activists, number 10 thank Leadsom for her grace and dedication in her role, Jess Philips praises her backing MP's on complaints process and proxy voting and wishes her well. Tory MP Craig Tracey jokes "Just heard Larry the Downing Street Cat is considering his position.."

While Leadsom has long been known not to be happy with Brexit changes, part of the pizza group and hardly one of the stars of cabinet, the timing and symbolism is a huge blow given how yesterday unfolded and willingness to do it on night before election. Reputation damaged when she, via Brexiteers implosion, ended up as Brexit candidate vs May then withdrew because she claimed being a mother (May is medically unable to have children) which created a huge backlash so May won contest unopposed. Given leader of the House as a leading Brexiteer and seems to have been a vocal presence internally but it is a backroom role where only time they get attention is setting out the week's business or if something goes horribly wrong. A reasonable media presence when required, she lacked the comic touch some bring to leaders question (which isn't an issue as such but means less public notice) but had some nice touches when anniversaries or dates come up including a Valentine poem, her deteriorating relationship with Speaker Berow became noticeable with some heated clashes. The need for Westminster to be renovated as has been slow under her but that may not be her fault and she did seize moments to change things for staff, for MP's like proxy votes after Julian Smith messed the system up, of getting workers help lines and so on in, sometimes needing to stand ground against others to do so which won her respect of MP's of all sides. She can be pleased with her record in the post and has boosted her standing among MP's with her handling of events though whether activists will like her given she stayed in cabinet for so long (a perfectly respectable position but not one the membership seems to like).

Reshuffle: Mid-ranking treasury minister Mel Stride becomes Leader of the House, a major promotion for someone seen as a safe pair of hands when Hammond needed a media presence (after Gauke, was called "Shell the Mel"), a Remainer who is seen as Gove's ally though tended to be combative in Treasury questions so will need to show he can adjust tone. Is a qualified tour guide which should provide him some in's for the Westminster Palace debates.Transport minister Jesse Norman moves across, he is an Old Etonion, Cameroon and former director of Barclays bank+former member of Treasury Committee, the latter reasons are probably why he has got the treasury job (along with his understanding of economics shown as roads ministers) but though clever and interesting, not sure he will provide safe media performances for Hammond. Lawyer and May loyalist Michael Ellis takes transport job from culture, moving from a department that seemed suited to him to one where I haven't known him to show intrest where he replaces a well regarded minister who knew the small details, hard task. Green Tory Rebecca Pow promoted from backbench to culture department

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-Pound has worst slump against Euro ever with 13 consecutive days of losses.

-Brexit Party says they have unbanned channel 4 and they only did it due to security concerns that needed handling for channel 4's safety

-Eggs and bricks thrown at Tommy Robinson rally

-Heavy rumours May will resign on Friday in meeting with Brady but if May goes today, broadcasts were not sure 100% sure they can legally say it in the new. ITV's Robert Peston saying she will agree to start leadership contest on 10th June to allow her dignity during Trump visit (she would have been PM anyway for that as she is obliged to stay on till successor is found). Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, treasurer of the 1922 Committee, says if May does not set out her departure tomorrow then the committee will trigger no confidence moves

-Papers all on May's situation with front page picture of May in car with tears in eyes (quite why we need that image, I don't know)

-Gove says he won't resign

-Unlucky whip Mark Spencer, covering for hole left by Leadsom admits Brexit Bill has been postponed, a retreat from May with cabinet in revolt though questionable if this can salve feelings for tomorrow

-Concerns that some EU nationals have been denied the vote due to council errors, Labour and SNP are furious

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-Lord Blunkett jokingly wants Lord Young as Tory leader

-Former Remainer Sir David Evennett calls for May to go, Margot James says May being hounded out because others refuse to compromise, Gavin Williamson backs Boris which could be useful given his skills as an organizer and former chief whip

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-Garvan Walshe Tories should learn from Austria and keep away from nationalist populists like Farge

-Kuesenberg In Office but not in power

-Katy Balls on Leadsom's resignation and why

-Newton Emerson Tory succesion is risky for DUP
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri May 24, 2019 1:54 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:-Heavy rumours May will resign on Friday in meeting with Brady but if May goes today, broadcasts were not sure 100% sure they can legally say it in the new. ITV's Robert Peston saying she will agree to start leadership contest on 10th June to allow her dignity during Trump visit (she would have been PM anyway for that as she is obliged to stay on till successor is found). Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, treasurer of the 1922 Committee, says if May does not set out her departure tomorrow then the committee will trigger no confidence moves


The rumours were spot on. May has announced that she will resign on the 7th June which will allow her by PM for Trump's visit. Do you think she is still shielding her potential successor, preventing them from taking flak from those who object to his visit? Then on 10th the process to select a new leader will begin. I'm at the point where I'll be relieved if its anyone but Johnson. The guy was a joke as foreign secretary, we will be a laughing stock if he becomes PM.

Considering that the Tory membership get to select the final candidate, so we are guaranteed a true and blue Brexiteer this time around I think the least worst option would be Gove. He has tried his hardest to keep May afloat, seems more committed to getting some kind of deal, and is competent. I know many don't like his previously controversial policies when he was in education and health, but he showed an ability to drive things through and a vision for what he wanted. Both of which would be refreshing to bring to the Brexit process right now.
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