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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:48 am

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I think there is truth in what you said. Ultimately I don't see Corbyn as being any better than what we have currently. But I also think that a lame duck PM helps the No Deal Brexit advocates more than anyone else.


They were worried that a lameduck may see Parliamentary majority for anything but no deal sees Brexit got softer or cancelled, if parliament organizes then Mays weakness is a problem for the ERG.


Gah. Corbyn clearly doesn't want to negotiate with the Tories at all. He is playing games with all of our lives. Off course I suspect he thinks the best solution is May taking us into a No Deal Brexit so the Tories carry the blame and then he can come in after and do all the things he wants to do. You just can't take No Deal off the table, it's impossible because that is the default currently. You can promise a vote to relinquish article 50 deadline day I suppose but even then there is no guarantee that will win a vote. It will also fundamentally weaken the hand when negotiating with the EU.


He doesn't, he is trying to calculate the right balance between standing up for principles/not caving and not being seen as aiding Brexit, I'm not convinced he has balance right here as seems too blatant and Brexit is the one area where Labour members don't seem to quite trust Corbyn.

I think Corbyn wants no deal Brexit so he can shape the country his way and as a genuine Brexiteer

I also doubt EU will be pleased if we just pull article 50 to buy time and may change rules to ensure we can't do that a second time. As you say, temporarily pulling Brexit/article 50 (and there would be consequences) is only way to stop no deal if deal can't be reached, no PM can make such a promise. Yet MP's seem to think one can and article 50 will be extended freely forever and ever if need be
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:52 pm

-Brexit Plan B debate and vote on 29th January

-ERG will be getting ill-will for going to Rees-Mogg's house to celebrate (he says just meeting with drinks after vote) with champagne when May's bill was defeated

-Sterling doesn't react to May's survival

-Rudd says no deal will never be policy of government, is simply contingency and accuses Corbyn of trying to time things out rather then respond to offer of talks, ERG proved to be Conservatives and can be relied on, says Watson's criticisms May is too aloof and to set in her ways to lead (don't feel he crossed line), says she will discuss with May about ruling out no deal but Rayner refuses to even take that compromise.

-Dodds boasts of no confidence vote showing importance of DUP, he doesn't mention that at least May can form a government and DUP can't

-Lavery says May's offer of talks is too little too late, Dr Fox warns he has always been opposed to a customs union and warns cancelling Brexit would be undemocratic, SNP demand people's vote , McDonnell says he thinks opposition parties will take lead on Brexit now, Benn and Cooper invited to meet cabinet ministers

-May makes emergency Downing Street statement (BBC1 Fa Cup game had gone into extra time so was shown on news channel apparently), says public will have been unsettled by 24 hours, she believes it is her duty to deliver Brexit, held constructive talks with Lib Dems, Plaid and SNP that evening and door remains open to Corbyn who had chosen not to take part. In later letter, says impossible to rule out no deal without ether deal or revoking article 50 which would be seen as overturning referendum vote (which undermines Hammond's reassurance efforts), EU won't give us more time simply for debate and quips to Corbyn “You have always believed in the importance of dialogue in politics.” and her door remains open

-Rumours Hammond told business that parliament will block no deal and seems to back Boles proposal, Leadsom denies article 50 will be delayed but Labour and other seizing on it with "see, it can be done so May should promise it"

-Scottish Herald publishes poll saying 56% want Scottish referendum if Brexit goes ahead

-President Macron's speech in aftermath of deal failing, scathing about Brexiteers, getting a fair bit of attention. France has trigged a 50 million Euro no deal contingency plan. I bet they love us for this

-Bercow rebukes lobby photo's and the invasion of privacy it leads to

-Jon Snow rebukes Burgeon for telling Swinson "‘The real enemies are the Conservatives. And you have aided and abetted them. to hurt working class communities and stall our diversity. I hope that rests well with your conscience.’ and points out how is Burgeon going to get Lib Dem help by being rude I wonder if this is why Lib Dems are saying they won't support Labour in confidence votes in future unless second referendum is backed by Labour

-Gardnier vs Sky news journalist does not go well and generally seems snippy about press today, does say Labour frontbench back Corbyn's boycott of May talks and Hammond shows no deal can be blocked

-Corbyn repeats he will meet May but only if no deal is pulled but critics are going "you meet Iran, IRA Hamas" (and whichever else groups critics don't like "without conditions but you demand one here?". Says he doesn't have personal control of Labour Brexit policy during elections as is put to vote, will push for three point plan (customs union, single market without freedom of movement aka unicorn, guarantee on workers rights), no deal spending should end (some if it would have to happen anyway) and asks his MP's not to see May and co. After Mundell rules out second referendum so Sturgeon boycotting talks until she agrees to ruling out no deal, extending article 50 and consider second referendum (she wants a "only if all four nations agree to Brexit" lock). This is going well....

-Liaison Committee rules out taking charge of Brexit

-May joins Macron and Trump in missing Davos due to domestic issues

-MOD preparing to call up army reservists to help with no deal

-Downing Street claims second referendum would take a year to set up which seems really over the top

-Archbishop of York asks for prayers for MP's given the challenge they face

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-Was not impressed by Faiza Shaheen on Weds eve politics live

-Rees-Mogg says biggest danger in no deal would be an unknown unknown and there would be some risks, would abolish tariffs on stuff we don't produce in considerable quality but struggles to find example (eventually Singapore but admits it is flawed) of country that did this and got trade deals, support for May in no confidence is unconditional

-Mayor Khan accuses Tory MP's of putting party interest above national interest by backing May, Sir Cable accuses Corbyn of sitting on the fence and no confidence result was a rejecting of Corbyn, Dr Lee says support for second referendum among MP's is underestimated, Boris calls for UK to legislate now to protect EU migrants rights

-Berger urges Labour to back second referendum

-Ellwood says no confidence vote was a distraction of bigger question about Brexit but it showed parliament does not want Corbyn, another no confidence vote would be irresponsible with Brexit deadline coming up, his own constituents don't agree what Brexit means

-Davies bemoans lack of planning for Brexit before referendum result, calling it a disgrace

-Vicky Ford and postal unions calling for low level letterboxes to be banned

-Blair says May wrong to stick to red lines but Corbyn should go to talks anyway, backs indicative vote and suggests May seek to set out pro's and con's of each option, article 50 extension almost inevitable, EU should make changes to persuade UK to stay

-Brexiteer MP's visit cabinet office

-Sir Chope accuses some in cabinet of treacherous comments. Not helpful language

-Caroline Lucas suggests citizens assembly and says May ruling out no deal+doesn't seem willing to extend article 50 but does May was really listening, just feels May is hoping to just tweak

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-Owen Jones (though he seems to have gone from healthy cynicism to outright paranoia when comes to media recently)

-Kuessenberg on [url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46895009] compromising brings risks for May
and hard task ahead

-John Campbell on if we can have an open Irish border on WTO

-Chris Morris looks at past record to see if Brussels might back down

-Rentoul warns Corbyn won't change Brexit policy

-George Parker on odds of election

-Dejvesky on May's situation
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:01 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:They were worried that a lameduck may see Parliamentary majority for anything but no deal sees Brexit got softer or cancelled, if parliament organizes then Mays weakness is a problem for the ERG.


There are definitely risks for them taking this approach. Their ideal would to be to topple May as leader of the Tory party as they could virtually guarantee their members would choose a hard-Brexiteer. That option is no longer on the table. I can't see any option left to them that is better than keeping May as a lame duck PM. A new election or referendum would likely weaken there hand considerably. A Corbyn lead government is as unlikely to get Brexit through as May's is, as while Corbyn is pro Brexit most of his party is not. As far as I can see maintaining the status quo is the least bad option for them now, and just limp towards deadline day puncturing any other possibilities as they emerge.


Dong Zhou wrote:He doesn't, he is trying to calculate the right balance between standing up for principles/not caving and not being seen as aiding Brexit, I'm not convinced he has balance right here as seems too blatant and Brexit is the one area where Labour members don't seem to quite trust Corbyn.

I think Corbyn wants no deal Brexit so he can shape the country his way and as a genuine Brexiteer

I also doubt EU will be pleased if we just pull article 50 to buy time and may change rules to ensure we can't do that a second time. As you say, temporarily pulling Brexit/article 50 (and there would be consequences) is only way to stop no deal if deal can't be reached, no PM can make such a promise. Yet MP's seem to think one can and article 50 will be extended freely forever and ever if need be


The bolded line is what I was trying to say, however it would be even better for him if the Tories get the blame for us coming out so he doesn't have to sully his hands and his younger momentum, pro-Europe supporters can continue to deceive themselves into believing that he is the 2nd coming.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:02 pm

There are definitely risks for them taking this approach. Their ideal would to be to topple May as leader of the Tory party as they could virtually guarantee their members would choose a hard-Brexiteer. That option is no longer on the table. I can't see any option left to them that is better than keeping May as a lame duck PM. A new election or referendum would likely weaken there hand considerably. A Corbyn lead government is as unlikely to get Brexit through as May's is, as while Corbyn is pro Brexit most of his party is not. As far as I can see maintaining the status quo is the least bad option for them now, and just limp towards deadline day puncturing any other possibilities as they emerge.


The danger if they vote with Labour to bring May down, for once even Tory members and voters may blame that wing of the party for their troubles, it would be too blatant. I agree, their best hope it to keep May and try to manipulate events, wind down the clock.

Sun Fin wrote:The bolded line is what I was trying to say, however it would be even better for him if the Tories get the blame for us coming out so he doesn't have to sully his hands and his younger momentum, pro-Europe supporters can continue to deceive themselves into believing that he is the 2nd coming.


Very true. Corbyn needs to keep things as ambiguous as long as possible and avoid an election/referendum though he hasn't seem to have played hand well this time

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-Lord Young praises Lords for their tone on Brexit debate compared to Commons while Lord Adonis predicts the UK could collapse to just England

-Leadsom under pressure as she says "nodded through" was better route for Siddiq so proxy vote isn't need and seems to blame her while Bercow clearly blames whips office. Twice. Sir Chope quips about needing a debate on collective cabinet responsibility then uses to attack some of the cabinet while MP's amiably start quoting Winnie the Pooh as they discuss Leadsom's birthday wishes to Bercow

-Papers focus on Prince Philip's car crash, also Brexit and Wylfa Newydd nuclear power plant not being built, DUP deny Times story they are willing to accept custom union. Rumours if Corbyn backs second referendum, he will face resignations while May will face resignations if she rules out no deal, also rumours Bercow will be denied the peerage that usually goes to Speakers and that some in cabinet are preparing for election,

-Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, frontrunner to replace Merkel as Chancellor, among other German politicians has written to UK asking us to Remain

-BBC on who has met government ministers so far. Mood music is people are pleased at tone being taken

-80 medicines have gone on shortage list, up from 45 in October and pharmacies are worried

-LBC giving Rees-Mogg a regular show

-Mordaunt defends Question Time audience cheering no deal

-Interesting point by Fraser Nelson that polls aren't changing because people getting hammered by their friends for way they voted and don't want to admit they changed their minds

-Lord Economic Committee condemns government use of RPI or CPI depending when it suits and using RPI when known it needs to be fixed

-Car insurers warn no deal will mean drivers into EU will require green card

-Retail down 0.9%, without petrol it was 1.3% which suggests Christmas sales has been replaced by Black Friday though the last quarter was a decline of 0.2% even with that

-May talks to Juncker, Merkel and Rutte

-Williamson says Corbyn should be more mature and join talks

-Turns out we haven't got the 40 trade deals, ie the existing ones EU has, we needed in time, Dr Fox blames the other countries

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-Labour avoids the Thurs evening DP, Sir Cable says Corbyn is playing down the clock and wants to cause chaos, Islington Tribune asks Corbyn to back second vote

-Sebastian Whale talks to Powell, Kinnock and Halfon on their Norway campaign

-Heidi Allen, Bebb and Soubry on second referendum

-Hannan (sun) slams Corbyn's handling of Brexit

-Simon Hart on a perplexing time

-Jo Swinson on Lib Dem work outside of Brexit

-Boles admits his plans wouldn't allow new trade deals initially, says he was wrong to condemn Norway option in referendum as he didn't know enough about it so much of what he wrote was untrue, says ministers will resign if forced to vote against opposing no deal, admits he could well be deselected by his local party.

-Hollobone not happy that Gove skipped Defra questions to handle cross party talks though Bercow had given permission, deputy Ruttley jokingly rules himself out as future PM

-Farage warns Brexiteers they need to prepare for another referendum, that government and parliament won't allow true WTO and vows, if so, he will no longer be Mr Nice Guy

-Fiona Onasanya seeking to overturn her conviction

-Rory Stewart says red lines could shift

-Boris says extending article 50 is dishonest and would send signal of weakness, would anger public who would believe it to be a conspiracy from elite, May wrong to seek Labour support for her deal and is angry at May considering being under May's rules, EU will be flexible on backstop if we ask (we may be in a parallel universe...) and be willing to hold off on half our payments till trade deal done. Controlling immigration could help give people a payrise, more needs to be done on productivity, more spending devolution to mayor's, more money for NHS, wants free ports. During Q&A, refuses to back Vote Leave's Turkey message but also dodges responsibility (also denying stuff he said in public and wrote), refuses to say he would back May in a snap election, in some ways May deal is worse then staying in EU due to having no say in EU rules while being impacted by them, no deal won't result in imposed tarrifs.

Alan Duncan tweets "Boris - You are not equipped to unite the Party which you have so recklessly divided. Please think less about yourself and instead focus only on solving the historic crisis we now face which you have done so much to create" Independent's Tom Peck quips "To be fair to the guy, he did always say he was going to "lie in front of a bulldozer. Now he has, for four minutes straight."

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-Simon Jack on government nuclear contract

-Fintan O'Toole Brexit is about British reckoning with itself

-Simon Jenkins on state of Brexit play and May should copy Peel
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:04 pm

-Lords reject May's deal by 169

-Boles local party chair questions Boles patriotism. We really need to get a grip on our language

-Papers on Prince Philip or various Brexit stories

-Gove, Dr Fox and David Jones not happy with Remainer Facebook ads saying Brexit risk endangered animals

-Dr Fox signs mutual recognition deal with Australia, important but not one of the 40 free trade deals he has failed to get transferred. We are still 0 for 40.

-McDonnell says Labour would promote their alternative and if can't get that through, seek election and then maybe referendum

-D'Arcy Week Ahead

-NHS condemns Superdrug for offering Botox and other actions without helping the mental health side or making the appropriate checks

-Abbot accuses Question Time of legitimising racist abuse, accuses warm up act of whipping up crowd against her and Fiona Bruce of bias in who she interrupted

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-Blair thinks near 50% chance of second referendum

-Farage looking for party to be MEP for if we still have them due to delayed Brexit, Leave Means Leave is building machine ready for another referendum as doubts government has will to go for WTO Brexit, UKIP accuse Farage of splitting Brexit vote.

-Boles says referendums should be issues of conscience, not constitutional issues

-Streeting says if Tories won't give Bercow a peerage then best he be kept on as Speaker for a long time

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-Chris Morris reality checks Boris and Turkey
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:31 pm

-Dr Fox says removing no deal as an option takes away UK's strongest card in talks, cancelling Brexit would open big divide between parliament and people

-Sunday Times saying May will offer Ireland a bi-lateral treaty to get around backstop while Sir Grieve has bill to suspend article 50 (some concern as to how advice from Commons clerk to head of intelligence committee got into public domain)

-Bercow's allies saying he may not step down given government threats to his peerage

-Sir Stramer says only two options, May to have a closer relationship with EU deal or public vote

-Abbott on her issue with Question Time

-Politicians condemn the attack in Londonderry

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-Cooper warns we risk drifting into no deal by accident

-Sir Major urges May to become mediator to break Brexit impasse and drop red lines, deal can only be tinkered with and May has near impossible job

-Huw Merriman calls for election

-Rees-Mogg says he would prefer May's deal over Remain if need be

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-Rawnsley on state of Brexit

-Nick Cohen finds similarities between Brexit and Universal Credit

-Mail on Sunday with state of Tory party

-Rentoul says May's deal could be saved by Cooper
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:27 pm

-Papers have May cancels cross party Brexit talks (Downing Street says it hasn't been cancelled), looking to amend deal enough to win over DUP and backbench while parliament prepares to battle for Brexit control, Prince Philip crash (palace have badly played this), 5 weeks of winter coming

-Government bringing forward domestic abuse legislation including definitions, commissioner and court protections, Labour questions funding and why this took so long.

-Dr Fox accuses Remain MP's of trying to steal Brexit, parliament can't hijack a decision given to public, both sides need to find a compromise on backstop but UK would fail in major promise if in customs union

-Sir Stramer says article 50 will need to be extended, May needs to alter red lines if there is to be change, would vote Remain, at this point any deal would require a backstop

-Dinenage on Mental Capacity Act

-Labour officially complain about Question Time treatment of Abbott, BBC acknowledge Bruce was wrong on polling figures (Labour want on-air apology) and Labour demanding footage of warm up act with BBC denying social media claims it was used to mock Abbott. The shadow secretary accuses BBC of rushing to deny without looking at evidence and Bruce of repeating Tory propaganda with the polling mistake

-German foreign affairs minister Heiko Maas says London (I assume he means UK) needs to say what it wants, has confidence in May bit hopes things aren't too late. Number 10 denies seeking bilateral treaty with Ireland (which Ireland and Barnier has ruled out as well) or seeking to amend Good Friday agreement as ways round the backstop, Poland proposing five year limit to backstop (bear in mind Poland has tended to be the least happy with Ireland on this matter and has been slapped down before), Barnier suggests a more ambitious political deceleration for future relationship as way forward

-Thornberry says Labour may leave backing referendum till just about to hit no deal as they explore other options first

-Tusk says he asked Cameron before election why he would promise a stupid referendum, Cameron said for his own party but Lib Dems would block it, Cameron's former communications chief Craig Oliver says Tusk is repeating a commonly held myth.

-IMF says no deal Brexit and Chinese slowdown the biggest threats to global economy this year

-Hunt welcomes EU sanctions on Russians accused of being involved in Salisbury

-May questions if second referendum has support in Commons, she needs to find out what MP's want from backstop and will give MP's more say on future trade deal and select committees will be kept updated in confidence, will seek to get devolved administrations and business more involved, promises to abolish EU nationals settled fee

-ONS puts Brexit shrinkflation at 206 products

-Business groups not happy at lack of Brexit progress

-Lords delay trade bill report stage by majority of 35, complaining there is a lack of information to MP's

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-Gordon Brown wants citizen assemblies to deal with Brexit

-Cooper defends her Brexit bill

-Bone says Grieve has lost the plot and his amendment won't get support, Raab thinks we will have stronger leverage for deal when outside EU, Lammy warns (as a member of People's Vote) without a second referendum Labour could split. Bryant says some constituents he talks to thinks no deal means remaining in EU (what the...) but 26% of people in a Sky poll actually said they think that but Yoguv says only 1% think that in their polls, Osborne suspects May would prefer no deal over Remain. Crabb says Brexiteers being deeply irresponsible in saying no deal would be acceptable and ERG is almost a party within a party

-Business Minister Harington says no deal would be a complete disaster, worried about impact on borders and car industry with fears Jaguar and Mini closing here, surviving on WTO is fanciful nonsense

-Rees-Mogg against charging EU nationals a settled fee status, feels it is against Brexit spirit and UK should feel honoured EU nationals came to contribute, Corbyn has every right as leader of the opposition to avoid cross party talks to make things more difficult for May but he feels Corbyn was politically naive and would have done better to go to meeting then accuse May of being dogmatic (Blair also suggested such tactics). No deal most likely outcome, People's Vote has remarkably little public support and is a loser's vote, Bercow makes his judgements for the right reasons, would be pleased to see parts of UKIP like Farage return to Tory party and holds Farage in highest regard.

-Swinson says if Julian Smith is blocking proxy votes despite previous apology, he should resign

-I wonder what Ellwood was possibly referring to with this tweet "Cooked a banana cake yesterday. Told my son it will be ready in 20 mins - according to the cookbook. It took 30. It was a big decision - honouring the cookbook or take more time to get the right result."

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-John Harris senses a hardening desire for no deal among public

-Chloe Westley warns some Remainers are guilty of ageism and undermining universal suffrage

-Robert Peston not a fan of May's tick tock strategy

-Kuessenberg May's strategy could be losing goodwill
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:32 pm

-Dodds makes point of praising May for genuine talks

-IMF upgrades UK's predicted growth to 1.6% assuming we avoid no deal

-Rudd says dozens of ministers (Times calculates 40) will resign if not allowed to block no deal, better for free vote, Barclay says EU will agree to extend article 50 if asked

-Press not happy with plan B being May's plan A, some sense the Brexiteers are seeking ways to support May for fear of losing Brexit

-Gardiner having to back track from saying Labour would back second referendum, Long-Bailey says they are not committed to it and neither is Labour's Brexit amendment

-EU confirms no deal=hard border in Ireland

-New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern says trade deal with UK would be priority for her government and praises May's resilience but warns no deal would be very difficult, Christiane Lambert head of main farmers union in France says no deal would hit them hard due to overproduction but also stop them getting cheeses and apples to UK , Austria's Foreign Minister Karen Kneissl says Poland's time-limit idea has no support and rebukes Poland stepping out of chosen position, doubts time to renegotiate deal. Germany’s justice minister, Katarina Barley (British citizen) wants second referendum, May's plan B hardly worth paper it is written on and playing for time is just playing with fire. EU trying to make clear they still need to hear what UK wants and fast and Commission spokesperson says no deal would lead to hard border in Ireland. Verhofstadt open to extending article 50 beyond summer (which MEP's don't like as makes things complicated with Europe's elections), can change political deceleration but can't change withdrawal agreement, South Africa's Trade Minister Rob Davies says they are ready for trade deal with UK as soon as Brexit happens.

- Freight Transport Association in Northern Ireland says no deal would destroy haulage firms in N.Ireland due to permit issues, some are already moving their business to Republic, Vadaker says no deal would see need for some sort of backstop to keep Good Friday Agreement alive

-Petition Committee want government to tighten laws on online abuse, particularly towards disabled people, with social media giants to take responsibility

-Record numbers in work and joint highest job vacancies since 2001, average earnings up 3.4% in highest in a decade

-Commons to vote on proxy voting next Monday which would then launch a year long pilot

-Drakeford quips "Plan B is simply Plan A with a new helping of pious hopes."

-Labour unhappy that Hammond, Dr Fox, Mordaunt, Hancock, Clark, Wright and Cairns are going to go Davos

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-Matt Warman on cashless economy

-Jess Bowie and Suzannah Bracknell interview new head of civil service Sir Mark Sedwill

-Streeting says he is willing to lose his seat by opposing Brexit

-IDS warns parliament getting control to prevent no deal would lead to mayhem and free vote is silly as government should have a position on future relationship, Dorries says Brexiteers more inclined to support May deal to stop Brexit being cancelled but only if backstop is removed (newsnight has had to apologize because they edited out the backstop context), Grieve says article 50 extension inevitable but second referendum unlikely, Kawczynski says he is encouraging Polish government to veto extension to article 50 (Poland rejects it outright unsurprisingly, why he advocated policy they were blatantly against I don't know) and is being widely mocked for his arrogance+the bad image of asking foreign government to impose itself against British government like this.

-McCluskey visits number 10

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-Kuessenberg on Flood of amendments

-Reality Check on chances of Labour's custom union plans

-Mike Buckley on Labour should back referendum

-Professor Anand Menonon Torry attitudes different to public on May and Brexit with risk of party split

-Andrew Duff feels loss of British MEP's will allow Brussels to become more federal
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:33 pm

-Hunt says he will take Brexit criticism on the chin once Labour have a Brexit policy

-P&O changing entire fleet to Cyprus, Sony moving it's European operations to Netherlands (outright admitting due to Brexit) and the Brexiteer Dyson, having moved a factory to Singapore for "technical reasons" but promising he would stay in Britain, has moved HQ there as well (but keeps UK factory open, says for opportunities in Asia but few seem to believe it), Bentley's saying Brexit could kill profits and they are stockpiling.

I feel the UN should ban Brexiter business leaders like Dyson from being able to move outside UK, they should be forced to sit here and take the consequences of their own actions, this feels... less then a brave stand for his convictions. Other companies/industries did warn what would happen and I'm sorry we have driven them away, I'm sorry for all those who are losing their jobs from this whichever way they voted

-Shadow housing minister Melanie Onn says she will resign if Corbyn backs second referendum

-McDonnell indicates Labour will back Cooper amendment, BBC provides guide on the Brexit amendments, Sturgeon urges extending article 50 rather then May trying to pursue the impossible, stop blaming others and listen. Corbyn met with Reeves and Cooper over their amendments

-Vadaker on backstop "We can't give that up for a promise that it will be all right on the night or will be sorted out over the next two years.", warns they will not accept hard border but admits it would require difficult discussions with EU and UK to behave to avoid it, DUP says EU is bluffing with hard border talk. Barnier says backstop could be minimised if UK softened red lines, article 50 can be extended in certain circumstances, no time-limit to backstop, Irish border is a problem for whole of EU, no deal would destroy mutual trust needed for future relationship and backstop was UK idea. Merkel says she is striving for well ordered Brexit, dependent on UK relations for defence and better if relations are less complicated. EU says will compensate EU fishermen if denied access to UK waters in no deal and would seek mutual access till end of year

-Trickett says government has ground to halt

-Brittany Ferries cancelling 10,000 passengers plans for cross-channel ferry's due to government taking slots to ensure no deal supplies get through

-Culture Committee says BBC is refusing to face up to gender pay issue

-Dr Fox says he is in Davos telling people no deal is a real possibility, delaying would be worse then no deal, Wright says telling people at Davos there is more to UK then Brexit like AI and universities

-Cox says publishing legal advice for Brexit vote can't be a precedent for sake of good government, Barclay says government need to legislate for things if no deal and suspects some people voted against May's deal because it was clear she was going to lose anyway

-Israel and UK agree deal in principle, giving Dr Fox a much needed boost

-Foster, Dodds and their spouses stayed with May's at Chequers last night

-Sturgeon has issued a firm defence if the SNP's right to call a second independence referendum given election results and Brexit

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-Hodge rules around the old are inconsistent

-Reed wants can on flammable cladding

-Boles argues EEA is the true Conservative and Thatcherian option as Brexiteers once recognised

-IDS says backstop unworkable and he objects to divorce bill, Claire Perry says there is no need for resignations and people coming together behind May's deal, Flint says local Brexiteers are hardening behind no deal and suggests taking both remain and no deal off table so parliament can unite, Bone asks May to axe the Remainer ministers.

-Rees-Mogg says outbreaks of realism all round make deal more likely with EU leaving it late in day but coming round to compromise and common sense Cooper and second referendum amendments seek to stop Brexit, if parliament tries to block no deal then government can shut down Commons and if May fails to do so then ERG will blame her, backstop must be removed before he can back deal

-Sophie Walker resigns as Woman Equality's Party first leader after ten months, bemoaning party politics and lack of diversity within party

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-Alex Wickham People's Vote divided and maybe losing Labour MP's support

-Behr on tribalism will prevent cross-party approaches on Brexit

-Freedland on Dyson

-Sir Ivan Rodgers really let rip on Brexit debate
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:43 pm

-Merriman accused of mocking Fabricant's hair during PMQ's when Fabricant was speaking, Fabricant shows how to deal with it "Huw is pretty short-sighted, he's a relatively new member of Parliament - bless - he didn't know that PMQs is actually televised. And I'm sure if he did, he would have behaved in a more grown-up way."

-Telegraph says some in cabinet discussing ow to stop no deal, papers expecting Labour to move on pushing for article 50 to be extended via amendment, Times saying Dutch government trying to persuade more firms to follow Sony's example, Finical Times saying EU suing UK over tax breaks for commodities traders

-Hancock warns antibiotic resistant superdrugs are as big a threat as climate change and is looking at funding to drug companies being changed to help deal with this

-May meets union leaders who don't seem happy that article 50 isn't being extended, she promises N.Ireland reconciliation and peace projects would be funded whatever happens with Brexit but DUP unhappy that Bradley warned there was legal problems if no deal on the funding

-Hammond promises UK still a good place to do business and says no deal would betray Brexit promises to people as people were promised a prosperous future and no deal would deny them that, second referendum would shatter trust, backs OECD in seeking international agreement on ways to tax digital companies

-German Economic Minister Peter Altmeir says no deal must be prevented at all costs and Germany would look with sympathy on any request to extend article 50, Barnier points out voting against stuff isn't helpful and parliament needs to vote for something for there to be a deal, Austrian President Sebastian Kurtz says they would agree short extension to article 50 but Lithuania's President Dalia Grybauskaitė would prefer no deal over extension as extends uncertainty. Ireland denies reports they are training police for border but Vadaker infuriates N.Ireland by saying if no deal then N.Ireland would have to be aligned to Republic in regulations and customs which would hamper UK trade talks with others

-Neither Sturgeon or Dakeford seem to feel May listened during meeting

-Salmond has been arrested, on very serious charges

-Government compensates those tortured in Cyprus in 1950's but doesn't admit liability

-Airbus says Brexit impasse is a complete disgrace+business unable to plan properly and warns Brexiteers Airbus don't have to stay here forever, other countries would be happy to take their factories and investment. Brexiteers say oh no they won't due to loyal Brexit voting employees and good business environment here, government pointing out Airbus backed May's deal. Richard Harrington pretty much inviting the sack by welcoming Airbus comments but Number 10 seems inclined to let it ride

-Second referendum amendment dropped as not clear it has Commons support so Lib Dems trying but they are struggling to get anyone beyond Lib Dems to back it, Corbyn says he will decide on Cooper's later with Sir Stramer open to 3 month extension of article 50 rather then 9 months

-Leadsom says February recess still planned but subject to vote and change

-Trade minister George Hollingbery admits it 0 out of 40 for trade deals that need to be signed but he expects most to be done by March

-Rudd openly defiant as she calls for free votes in next stage of Brexit votes and doesn't rule out resigning to back Cooper's amendment

-Carney warns finical services and lobbyists have got complacent, worried about what happens when big institution is hit by cybercrime, too big to fail reforms not yet finished and not fully tested

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-Davies job at JCB getting well noted

-Boles remarks on Dr Fox's criticisms of amendments that Dr Fox has never been good at detail, Blair says Brexit is a complete mess and chances of second referendum above 50%, Berger says Labour hasn't yet come up with an achievable Brexit policy and facilitating a job destroying Brexit, McCluskey says May's unwillingness to change mind justifies Corbyn's boycott as other parties look stupid for the talks (I have seen nobody say they were stupid) and calls for article 50 to be extended for three months

-Greening says she would have replaced tuition fees with graduate contribution scheme

-BBC Parliament getting boost in viewing numbers due to Brexit

-Ipsi Mori says Brexit (53%) has beat NHS (43%) as public's biggest concern, immigration falls and crime rises to 19% each

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-Kuessenberg on ERG's softening attitudes

-Owen Jones urges left to prepare for election

-Kettle on lack of leaders or public willing to compromise on Brexit

-Tom Peck mocks Brexiteers undermining parliamentary and UK sovereignty

-Chris White fears constitutional damage of Cooper's amendment
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