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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:40 pm

-Hunt does three day tour of Asia, starting today with Singapore where she says May's deal is still alive

-Foreign Office accused of charging fees for rescuing people trapped in forced marriages and forced to pay for flight back to UK, shelter and food or take out loan to cover it. Neither Cooper or Tugendhat are impressed

-Government planning a youth/student railcard with major discounts but the announcement has failed to blunt anger over railfare rises (average of 3.1% in England/Wales, 3% in Scotland) with some now paying more then a pound a mile

-NHS no-shows costing £216 million a year while alarm at amount of sugar children are consuming (reaching max recommended level for 18 years old by age of 10)

-Onwurah scathing about May's Brexit strategy That Christmas spirit didn't last long....

-Gordon Brown wants free BBC license fee to over 75's to stay

-Lord Dannatt (sun) wants more money for defence and better accommodation for armed forces


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-Radio 4 37 minute program Brexit: Bewitched, Bothered Or Bewildered with Adrian Chiles seeing if attitudes have changed since referendum in West Midlands

-Hugh Pym on NHS plans

-Dan Snow says Brexiteers dream of detaching from Europe will fail as history shows

-Andrew Grice on Labour polls and Corbyn's Brexit challenge
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:45 pm

-Relief at John Lewis and Next Christmas figures though some underlying concerns

-Javid asks Royal Navy for help with migrant crises and questions how many of the migrants are genuine asylum seekers given France is a safe country which has caused controversy

-Guardian says Corbyn is refusing to agree to second referendum despite internal pressure, papers want a fuel price watchdog

-Gove says May's deal would give farmers certainty and Brexit is a golden opportunity for British farming with trade deals opening up new markets, end of CAP and better used subsidies, will provide long term planning for the industry

-Hunt says UK can learn lessons from Singapore education and it's long term planning but won't use it's econimic model, fears the social consequences if we don't Brexit on time, will look into Forced Marriage rescue charge scandal

-Grayling blames train trade unions for rail price rise due to high wage demands then threats of strike, unions argue Grayling is seeking to deflect blame from himself and privatization, Labour blames lack of investment

-Hammond appoints Dame Colette Bowe, current chairman of the Banking Standards Board and Dame Jayne-Anne Gadhia. former chief executive of Virgin Money, to Bank of England

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-Mayor Khan on his transport record

-Cameron forgot to renew his Parliamentary Pass

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-Professor Seven Struass Boris reckless stupidity might make him better choice then dutiful May to bluff Brexit with EU

-Afua Hirsch feels the migrant crises is hypocrisy

-John Downer says HS2 vital to the north
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:57 pm

-Grayling defends British choice of ferry firm as showing faith in British business but website has two major errors, their portal link goes back to google and there terms and conditions is clearly from takeaway

-Yoguv polling says 57% of Tory members would back no deal, will be a big blow to May

-Guardian saying police being trained for N.Ireland if no deal

-Vadaker and Merkel have been talking about how to help May get deal through but Vardaker warns it is a UK problem

-DUP lunches with May then declares Ireland's no deal prop shows hard border is a myth

-Chris Morris reality checks Brexit impact on ports

-Gove warns no deal would hit farmers hard particularly the tariff, border checks and other things hits whereas deal would allow a smooth transition as farms embrace technology and opportunities, would be bad move to sacrifice animal welfare standards and food safety to chase deals

-MP's to discuss petition wanting an independent commission to handle TV debates

-Rory Stewart cautiously optimistic that prions getting grips on drugs

-Ireland’s agriculture minister Michael Creed seeking EU funding for Ireland if no deal

-Barclay expected to launch a series of adverts and explanations to prepare people for no deal

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-Lord Green scathing about immigration white paper

-150 university heads write to MP's to say no deal Brexit would do great damage to the sector

-National Farmers Union says farmers rely on a lot of things from EU so no deal would be a disaster, wants Gove to show more then warm words

-Sir Ed Davey says border issues are due to cuts in staff and government should stop scapegoating migrants

-Anne-Marie Trevelyan says nobody wishes to see people gamble with their lives on small boats in the Channel, urges government to see what France can do in their own country with refugees

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-Kettle feels Brexit is protecting Onasanya

-Dejevsky feels both sides on migrant crises row are not doing themselves credit but crises reveals issues within our national security

-James Felton spoofs ferry crises
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:14 pm

-Corbyn in 2011 told audience "I condemn the people of Milton Keynes for the mistakes that they made in the May election but they will have a chance for (sic) correct their mistakes hopefully in the very near future." (they had voted out a Labour MP), I suspect the Tory MP's there might use that clumsy phrase at next election.

-Greater Manchester seeking to ban fracking in their area

-Manston airfield to be used as lorry holding point if no deal

-Sammy Wilson says no way DUP will back May's deal and what they are hearing makes it less and less likely, backstop is a con trick

-How to handle Brexit government website to be up on Tuesday

-Political operations against Javid being well noted by press with briefings and leaks (like about his holiday)

-Government to give 5 million to help clear Isis mines in Iraq

-Hunt concerned Russia is detaining British citizens to put pressure on UK government

-Credit Card debt has reached record high of £72.5 billion by end of November with personal debt also record high of £215.4 billion (does not include mortgages), is some welcome that the rate of increase has slow-downed at least


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-Iain Watson May deal in deeper trouble then we think

-Marina Hyde on unimpressive Tory week

-Katy Balls on operation to bring down Javid

-Grice warns limit to how much help EU will give May
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:23 pm

-May says back deal or your constituents will lose their jobs, risking UK democracy and they should fall upon the British tradition of pragmatism, accuses Corbyn of failing to even read Brexit agreement before he condemned it while his promises of staying in single market and ending free movement contradict

-Rumours government whips will seek to delay vote again if they can't prevent heavy defeat, Sir Cable warns such a move would be playing with fire

-Rudd delays Universal Credit rollout

-Government briefing to Sunday Telegraph that Russia's SVR is trying to build spy network here

-May welcomes 10 year NHS plan which is to be published on Monday

-British overseas territories will be able to commission their own version of £1 coin

-Youguv polling getting a lot of attention: gives Remain big leads (63% to 37% vs May's deal, 58% to 42% vs no deal), Tories have 6 point lead on Labour 40% to 34% but if Labour didn't act to try to stoop Brexit it becomes a 17 point lead 43% to 26% (I'm cynical about that one, it is one thing saying one would leave over Brexit but actually doing it?), only 22% (26% if just Leavers) backs May deal, 53% (but only if don't know is removed) want final say on Brexit rather then MP's (I wonder how many see that in same light as second vote people)

-Rees-Mogg Tory MP's and members won't be bullied by Downing Steet into backing deal

-Sunday Time saying some Committee Heads looking at using Finance Bill to block Treasury spending money if no deal

-Ashworth usually a very good performer but seemed to struggle about being asked about Labour funding and specific plans for NHS when he wanted to talk about why Tories suck

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-IDS says May's letter was stupid as they know attitudes haven't softened towards her deal, ECJ will sideline any minor changes to treaty, blames EU negotiators adversarial attitude whole saying ours has been friendly, says Ken Clarke represents remainers and is a wrecker, accuses number 10 of rerunning Project Fear and that it has failed, puts no deal above 50%

-Ken Clarke says referendum was just a one off opinion poll

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-Peter Kellner on Youguv polling

-BBC Reality Check on whose duty it is to rescue migrants in Channel
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:45 pm

-May promises vote in two weeks but not sure people trust her on this, promises greater role for parliament in trade talks, Labour opposing any deal to create as much chaos as they can, "no border" doesn't happen because people say it won't happen including how business and trade is handled so backstop guarantees no hard border and they owe it to people of N.Ireland, her deal would be unprecedented deal with EU on more then just trade. Only way to bring certainty to Brexit is agree to her good deal, not time for second referendum and it would divide country further.

-A sense that public are hardening behind Remain or no deal, they won't consider compromise like May's deal. Public is very much going to be to blame/credit for what happens next if no deal 3 or 4 times (plus one Labour activists specifically)

-Sales of new cars fell at highest rate since finical crises, mostly put down to diesel emissions scandal, Brexit and consumer confidence

-Hammond demands NHS cuts waste as government aiming for 500,00 lives saved by new plans but is concerns at staffing level issues, focus is on technology and mental health

-209 MP's, led by Dame Spelman and Dromey, calls for May to rule out no deal but they also don't promise to sign up for May's deal.

-Hancock confident if everything goes to plan, we won't have medicine supply issues, admits staffing shortages are an issue, they need to shift to prevention more then cure

-D'Arcy on a Brexit week dangerous for government and Bercow

-Field welcomes Rudd pausing Universal Credit rollout, Labour wants full halt

-May to have drinks with various MP's to try to win support

-Ashworth wants sugar tax extended to milkshakes

-A sense Bercow will play a key role over net fortnight with Brexit debate and votes

-Margot James says contact about Brexit from her constituents during Christmas break

-Thornberry says some of People's Vote should do less Labour bashing and more on persuading those that voted Brexit to change their minds

-May to chair cabinet committee on Brexit preparations

-Sturgeon says Brexit has strengthened case for Scottish independence

-German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas to fly to Dublin to discuss Brexit

-Complete and utter idiots, sorry I mean "protesters" call Soubry a Nazi while Soubry is doing interview, she says police aren't doing anything and it is unfair on journalists+technicians who have to put up with the yelling and the abuse. Bercow has formerly requested police do more in Parliament Square

-Corbyn says project fear is all hot air and no deal planning is just a stunt, surprised he has so embraced the Brexiteer line particularly with recent unhappiness in the ranks, it is possible he meant hot air was about country not being ready for no deal and current prep is a sham show but he put it really badly if so.

-Barclay says MP's opposing May's deal need to come up with an alternative

-Department of Transport Civil Service asked for Ministerial Instruction before it went ahead with no deal spending. This is usually civil service way of ensuring it can't be blamed when about to do something it thinks is a bad idea

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-Boris says no deal is closest to what people voted for which raises questions about his previous advocacy for Canada+ and talks of deal.

-Damien Green says MP's should say what deal they would support

-Sir Bone feels support for no deal is hardening and best to just Brexit quickly, May statue in Wellingborough is cancelled, isn't available for May's drinks with MP's as she tries to win support, will put forward private members bill to demand three leadership TV debates every election.

-Halfon and Powell publish report backing Norway+

-Lord Patten says Thatcher would have been horrified by May's deal as would give too much power of veto to EU member stats. Since she is dead, rather hard for others to respond

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-Professor James Tilley on voting age

-Mathew Norman Bercow's moment has come

-Tom Peck goes along to the lorry park experiment

-Simon Jenkins calls for free Brexit vote for MP's
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:15 pm

I really do get the sense of more people advocating a No Deal Brexit which is terrifying. It really does seem to be seen as a major viable option now...
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:04 pm

Sun Fin wrote:I really do get the sense of more people advocating a No Deal Brexit which is terrifying. It really does seem to be seen as a major viable option now...


In politics or general life?

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-Cooper on her no deal attempted block amendment, Dr Fox says such a move is irresponsible in tying government hands in talks, Treasury saying they are relaxed as will hamper things rather then crippling but is seen as a big test of viability of deal, 11 Tory MP's signed the amendment but DUP will back government on this. I'm hearing government lost but I'm winding down for night

-Brendan Cox on his murdered wife's name being used to intimidate and threaten MP's

-Papers focused on either NHS staff shortages or GP's to use Skype more, Telegraph saying officials talking of article 50 extension (number 10 moving to deny this), Scottish papers expecting Sturgeon to make her push for referendum soon

-55 MP's, led by Doughty, have written to Met commissioner to complain about failure to protect Soubry and say repeated concerns have been ignored, Bercow says situation is untenable and compares those involved with abuse as facists. Concerns that female MP and journalists are particularly being targeted by thugs pretending to be protesters with Sturgeon joining on condemnation of treatment of Soubry. One does wonder why the police saw a lone woman surrounded by many aggressive men who call her Nazi and scum then think that isn't an issue. Met says they will beef up security.

Rory Stewart says the protestors seem like unpleasant idiots (on another footage calls a man lunatic and complete moron) and worries are losing ability to communicate, Champion admits the intimidation is starting to impact her, not comfortable with McDonnell's version of direct action

-Sturgeon says MP's have duty to come up with an alternative deal, no deal is default option but voting May's deal down doesn't need to lead to no deal and wants second referendum

-Road Haulage Association says Operation Brock test was window dressing and should have started nine months ago if done properly

-Drakeford says Welsh government would campaign for Remain if second referendum, isn't opposed to being referendum, Brexit will be agenda on all Welsh cabinet meeting

-Government bringing forward anti-drone powers

-A sense the protestors at Westminster are keeping quiet today

-Greg Clarke says no deal should not be contemplated while subordinate Richard Harrington says he would resign rather then agree to no deal

-Scottish courts rule SNP government inquiry into Salmond allegations was biased, unfair and illegal, failing to follow own procedures. Will be very very awkward for SNP with Salmond calling it an abject humiliation for them

-Vardaker says EU willing to give UK written guarantees about backstop but can't speak for what would satisfy DUP or Brexiteers but Nathalie Loiseau, the French Europe minister, says there is nothing more then EU if UK doesn't believe current reassurances

-Barclay says Soubry's treatment shows why second referendum would be bad idea, rules out extending article 50, some are now more open to May's deal

-According to Sam Coates, cabinet had an... interesting moment when Gove compared those wanting perfect deal as "“like mid-50s swingers waiting for Scarlett Johansen to turn up.....”. Rudd suggested “Or Pierce Brosnan” and Gauke went one further “They’re waiting for Scarlett..... on a unicorn.” Downing Street says they doubt this will be in the official minutes but don't deny it

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-Lord Jim O'Neill says the amount of private renting is a scandal that holds back people's chance to advance in life, Baroness Warsi says they need to act over lack of social housing

-Margot James says article 50 may need to be extended

-Kwarteng says a week is a long time in politics and they hope to win the vote

-Rory Stewart admits they could have done more to reach out to Labour MP's on Brexit, jokes he is focused on resigning over prisons rather then no deal, is starting to see turnaround on drugs but has failed so far

-Davies says EU is willing to renegotiate withdrawal agreement at the last moment if it finds a UK sticking to it's position (his record on predicting EU attitudes isn't great) and they are putting out feelers to extend article 50, they will give the legal promises demanded by Brexiteers. British press ignoring EU's no deal preparation so they can bemoan UK one, having to pay £39 billion if no deal is a false claim

-Sir Letwin urges more Cooper like amendments to government bills, he wanted no deal prep to start two years ago, people are assuming EU will cooperate on making no deal manageable

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-Toynbee feels May won't allow no deal to happen

-Nicolas Watt on possible EU help

-Ben Chu on social housing

-Charles Grant on what EU has learnt from Brexit including don't try to leave EU
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:29 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:
Sun Fin wrote:I really do get the sense of more people advocating a No Deal Brexit which is terrifying. It really does seem to be seen as a major viable option now...


In politics or general life?


Both... I mean Tories like BoJo are now advocating it is the best outcome whereas before it was one of last resort. That attitude seems to be mirrored in many Brexiteers I know more personally who a year ago claimed the EU would concede and give us a good deal. Now that is proven false they are making out as if No Deal was the ideal solution all along. I think what I've found most worrying though are people who like my dad who voted remain but seem to have been upset by the EU's negotiating position and so now seem happy to accept a No Deal to stick two fingers up at them.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:29 pm

Sun Fin wrote:Both... I mean Tories like BoJo are now advocating it is the best outcome whereas before it was one of last resort. That attitude seems to be mirrored in many Brexiteers I know more personally who a year ago claimed the EU would concede and give us a good deal. Now that is proven false they are making out as if No Deal was the ideal solution all along. I think what I've found most worrying though are people who like my dad who voted remain but seem to have been upset by the EU's negotiating position and so now seem happy to accept a No Deal to stick two fingers up at them.


I think in Westminster, it is still a small section that go for no deal though it may well grow. Boris may be seeking to shore up support with that small core and the Tory members.

I had heard (though not witnessed myself) some Remainers switching to anger with EU (I suspect there will be a lot of anger with EU if Brexit goes wrong though), I'm worried people worry is now switching to fatalistic about what is happening now and just waiting for it to hit, that they back no deal more as a "get it over with"

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-Government lost on Finical Bill amendment which hampers their no deal spending by 303 votes to 296 - giving rebels 7 majority, 3 Labour MP's backed government, 20 Tories backed the rebel including 6 former cabinet ministers and 11 junior ministers. Corbyn applauding and thumbs up to Cooper when result is announced. The real danger for government is this is tried again and again and again while this could see a major rebalancing between power of executive and parliament

-Fury as Bercow overrides Clerks advice to select Grieve amendment to what was supposed to be unamendable Brexit business motion (would oblige government to hold vote on alternate plan within three sitting days if May loses), seen as highly unusual at least and some saying unprecedented, Grieve's amendment has a lot of support. Julian Smith has rowed with Bercow over this, both government and Labour thought it couldn't happen and Brexit MP's are livid though Bercow has indicated to IDS that he will consider if allowing amendments to business motions will be more normal which would be a major blow to the executive. On the motion itself government loses by 11 308-297 but this may be less important then the major constitutional change to way country is governed that Bercow has just brought in, press don't seem happy

-Craig McKinley cleared on election expences

-Papers focus on defeat (Express sees it as stealing Brexit) or the abuse MP's are getting

-Rudd says public and posterity won't forgive a government that brings about an unsafe disorderly Brexit

-Sky News presenter Kay Burley says she requires security escort in doing interviews in Parliament square, on her experiences of the protestors

-Mayor of Ostend Bart Tommelein warns they will be ready for ferries between them and Ramsgate in time for no deal Brexit, Jean-Marc Puissesseau, who is president chairman of the ports of Boulogne Calais, says there will be no delay at Calais port if no deal port and says Grayling spending money for other ports is an insult

-Convney bemoans Brexit hard-liners who believe "no price is too high to pay for their version of Brexit", Westminster MP's need to have more realistic expectations and fears the dreamers will cause a lot of damage to everyone

-Nadine Dorries on abuse she has got but questions why nobody cares when it happens to Brexiteers. I don't think she helps her cause with way argument unfolds at end but it is something Brexiteers are feeling, that when it happens to them the media and Westminster don't care

-Nick Boles says he has got death threats last night

-Lidington "I don’t think that the British public are served by fantasies about magical alternative deals that are somehow going to sort of spring out of a cupboard in Brussels."

-Labour ministers Gardiner and Gwynne saying if May loses Brexit vote, Labour will try no confidence vote. Not 100% sure if policy change or shadow ministers trying to pressure their leader

-Brexit minister Heaton-Harris says no parliamentary route for Brexit to be stopped, doesn't expect Calais to be closed to UK goods, about 600 legislation to pass before Brexit day, infuriates Brexit Committee by saying the extra 1,000 police being trained for N.Ireland is not Brexit but for marching season

-DUP says Stormont lock doesn't satisfy their concerns about deal and is cosmetic whitewash, Brexiteers feel the same about Barclay's six compromises

-Martin Selmayr, secretary general to EC, denies saying N.Ireland is price UK will pay for Brexit

-May says if trade deal is not in place in time then transition phase can be extended by MP's or go to backstop

-Utterly foolish of Tories MP's to jeer Corbyn when he is taking of intimidation in politics

-Bercow denies having an anti-Brexit sticker on car, say it is his wife and kills any attempt to use that by saying he is sure nobody would want a wife to be chattel or property of husband

-Sir Stramer expects Brexit will be delayed and extending article 50 may be inevitable

-Carney suggests renminbi could become new reserve currency along with dollar, long term Bank of England could do it's own digital currency

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-Braverman says she can't back deal

-Stephen Timms on new era for betting

-Wes Streeting on social housing

-Baker takes a not amused view of being compared to a 50 year old swinger

-Mitchell to vote against May's deal which he sees as humiliating and will divide country

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-Chris Morris on if MP's can stop no deal Brexit as does Joe Marshall

-Sir Professor Curtice on what people want on Brexit

-Anne Perkins fears Bercow has done great damage, Crhis White feels Bercow has been arbitrary, D'Arcy on Bercow's big call that risks end of speakership

-Dani Garavelli on [url=https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/09/botched-alex-salmond-harassment-inquiry-women-speaking-out Salmond inquiry has badly damaged Scottish government and civil service [/url]
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