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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:54 pm

HanXin94 wrote:I've been living in China for 3 years so I missed out on the Brexit vote but if I was there I would have voted leave. I don't like the fact that we, as a nation, have surrendered are independence. I'm not against migration, I'm just for skilled migration. I'm more on the right when it comes to my politics but I just love debating. There is always something to learn from different opinions.

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Lucky you, it was not a good camapign (lots of lies, disgraceful behaviour on both sides and now it seems, even actual cheating). For me I had none of those concerns but then I'm very left-wing on immigration and I did feel that even leaving that aside, it was more UK politicians fault then EU's for our migration numbers (I also suspect immigration is not going to go the way Brexiteers voted for, not without an economic collapse anyway but maybe the sense of control will help soothe that). I recognise plenty of Leavers disagree with me on those kind of things and that's fine, some very honourable (not Boris) and intelligent figures supported Leave, I just wish more then a few (like Daniel Hannan to his credit) of the leaders had actually drawn up any sort of plan before hand of what Brexit would actually look like. :wink:

I'm on the centre or soft left and on so many fronts, I'm very pessimistic about Brexit we are going to have and in despair pleased at the results we have had (the poison in the system, the way it has clogged up parliament even without the poison, the economic hits, the uncertainty though at least the last one should end) so far.

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-Barnier says trade offer from May is not workable as it weakens single market and imposes extra burdens on business, tariff plan seems problematic, commons rulebook doesn't seem to cover key areas like pesticide but he hasn't rejected it out of hand as he says several parts are very useful while he is also clearly hinting compromise on backstop, he just wants a backstop in place that is workable. As Mail sarcastically remarks "Now there's a surprise", Rees-Mogg claims the EU mafia like response shows why we were right to leave. May will point out he hasn't rejected the plan and will argue it is EU negotiating stance but she has used a lot of political capital but the wider sense that it has been rejected in all but official confirmation is a real issue for her

-Hammond and Javid in disagreement over free movement

-Hinds vows to reduce workload of teachers (heard that before), promises no major reforms and says education is on par with NHS need for extra cash

-Williamson wants tax cuts for wider population

-D'Arcy on a short week but busy Tuesday

-May says UK can't accept hard border, can't accept EU backstop, Boris technology proposal ""No technology solution to address these issues has been designed yet or implemented anywhere in the world, let alone in such a unique and highly sensitive context as the Northern Ireland border."

-Convey says EU reaction to Chequers plan is lukewarm as it doesn't feel like a fully formed plan yet

-Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald accuses May of trying to pick fights with EU, Arlene Foster says all May has done was set out her position

-Watson says Julian Smith scandal is badly damaging trust in politics and his claims are unbelievable, May should sack Smith and Lewis

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-Soubry says May has capitulated to the forces of darkness

-Apparently shadow sports minister Rosena Allin-Khan's concern at the lack of St George flags during world cup due its association with "far-right ideology" has got a rather negative reaction as unpatriotic. She was expressing concern at the lack of said flags, not attacking the flag

-Lord Heseltine remarks his mace grabbing was provoked when Labour broke pairing and won vote by 1

-Philip Davies says he has never had reason to doubt Smith's integrity and pairings have been broken over 50 times this parliament, mostly by opposition and suspects Lib Dems trying to distract attention from failure of key figures to turn up

-Heidi Allen says she has been unable to get a straight denial from whips and condemns it as doesn't want to be tarnished by their behaviour

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-Forsyth (sun) May has ig summer, don't count out Boris, Julian Smith will survive and other stories
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby HanXin94 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:09 pm

But isn't that the job of the government to draw up a plan for Brexit, not the leave campaigners? I also think it doesn't help that we have a weak prime minister who has the indecision of a ROTK Yuan Shao.
We needed a prime minister who completely believes in Brexit.
I think we can both agree that, no matter what happens, the democratic vote of the people needs to be followed through.
Anything other than that would be a disgrace.

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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:13 pm

HanXin94 wrote:But isn't that the job of the government to draw up a plan for Brexit, not the leave campaigners?


Not Cameron's as his government opposed it, May has drawn up a plan. Problem is several Brexiteers oppose it which is fair but when asked what their plan is, it is either no deal or answer there is none bar waffle. Given Brexiteers have had decades to prepare (and in Tory cases, brought down two PM's for the glory of Brexit) which is a radical step, they should have a plan yes. If was to advocate replacing abolishing Lords or something like that, I should have a "and here is what I would bring in"

I also think it doesn't help that we have a weak prime minister who has the indecision of a ROTK Yuan Shao.


In fairness, the public made her position weak. I do think things have partly taken this long as May has made the Brexiteers play chicken with reality till the point where some would accept Chequers deal. Then again she ruined that by promptly ceding on the Monday to Rees-Mogg's group

We needed a prime minister who completely believes in Brexit.


The Tories and then the public (Corbyn has been a Brexiteer for decades) and rejected it. The former is Brexiteers fault, the way they imploded during leadership race was farcical. Public had a chance to vote for a Brexit leader and were offered a hard Brexit manifesto, they contrived to give the worst possible parliamentary maths (bar a Lib Dem victory) for getting an effective Brexit.

May has been accepted, till now, by Brexiteers becuase of that awareness, she talked the right language and May is a woman of immense sense of duty. However she has always refused to say she believes Brexit is right, she will carry it out as best she can see but I don't think she is impressed with Brexiteers having no plan.

I think we can both agree that, no matter what happens, the democratic vote of the people needs to be followed through.
Anything other than that would be a disgrace.


I agree, bar a second referendum (which is unlikely), Brexit must happen.

Where I have sympathy with the government is that some of what people want is either impossible (Brexit divided to be spent on NHS when there is no Brexit dividend. Thanks Boris) or government looks at what people voted for but they assume that the high price it would require isn't what people want either so they try to find a balance.

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-Raab says no cash to EU if no trade deal, need to do preparation work for no deal, says EU is being irresponsible in warning pensioners rights won't be sorted if no deal, reports of government stockpiling food in case of no deal is unhelpful but doesn't actually deny it. Lorry parks only needed if EU takes hardest line after no deal which would be irrational, it is useful the way Barnier is engaging with the white paper and has questions, Electoral Commission was right to investigate Vote Leave and has no complaints about their actions, he would not make a very good whip, admits he is still having to persuade some in cabinet to back Chequers.

-A sense Boris really should have moved out of Forglen office flat by now but Sunday Ties polling has him best to handle Brexit talks and take on Corbyn

-Environment, Food and Rural Affairs suggest banning real fur sales may be way forward, government should consult on it

-Ruth Davidson backs Chequers plan, Brexiteers need to compromise and get behind May

-Council workers in Wales (not including Cardiff) have been attacked almost 6,500 times in the last four years BBC report on it

-Airbus repeats it's Brexit warnings

-Shinichi Iida, Japan's Minister for public diplomacy and media, warns Japanese business is holding off investment due to Brexit uncertainty and other Japanese firms are refusing to invest in UK, needs to be deal by October summer, it is impossible to accept idea that no deal is better then a bad deal. EU trade deal is more important then one with UK, Japan would prefer we remained in single market+customs union and EU's skill in negotiating might mean that still happens though they admire May's consistency, they need clarity on status of EU citizens.

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-Andrea Jenkyns says she has handed in no confidence letter and still time to drop fundamentally flawed Chequers plan

-Shapps (sun) too late to oust May, time to rally behind her

-Sir Cable under pressure with rumours there is a plot against him

-Davis says May should tear up Chequers and start again

-Sir Major says a put up and shut up challenge by May was only limited success for him and not worth trying, fears Brexiteers trying to grind down government may accidentally lead to no deal and rest of MP's in Commons must ensure that hard core they don't have too much power, not a particular fan of Chequers but both sides will have to compromise, Brexit won't be anything like the one that was promised, Brexiteers could be right but so could flat earth society. USA trade deal would have major downsides with a few goods, we aren't on China's radar and India trade deal is a distant prospect

-Civil service booklet on government communications down the years includes a spoof one that suggests shooting children with rabies

-Dorries accuses Sir Major of driving people to right-wing extremist parties, talk of losing May is scaremongering by Remainers

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-Helen Lewis warns it is vital pairing is upheld

-Ranwlsey on the solutions being suggested to end a desperate Brexit deadline

-Rentoul on uphill task facing May
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby HanXin94 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:36 pm

Even when Cameron resigned though we still got a prime minister who doesn't even want to leave the EU.

I think it's important for us to leave the EU entirely. We can still trade with them but I don't like what the EU represents. We're all for democracy but the people who have the highest positions within the EU are unelected and that doesn't sit well with me.
We were a great country but now we have been relegated to a vassal state, we can't even make our own trade deals independently with other nations.

I don't like the fact that we have to pay them money either. We've given enough to the EU over the years.

It might surprise you but I'm a fan of Corbyn's, however, I think he is too much of a socialist and I don't like anyone else who is a part of labour. Especially Diane Abbot.

A second referendum would be a betrayal. It's undemocratic and would arguably be even more divisive than the first.

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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:47 pm

HanXin94 wrote:Even when Cameron resigned though we still got a prime minister who doesn't even want to leave the EU.


Yep. Thanks to Tory Brexiteers and then the general public. It's weird but such is the way life unfolded

I think it's important for us to leave the EU entirely. We can still trade with them but I don't like what the EU represents. We're all for democracy but the people who have the highest positions within the EU are unelected and that doesn't sit well with me.
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The problem for me is when those two elected groups (MEP's and country leaders) appoint others to powerful positions, that does feel too far a step away from the electorate. I like what the EU represents, I also think they are the right direction for the future ie big trading blocs, there are things I would change including making it more democratic.

We were a great country but now we have been relegated to a vassal state, we can't even make our own trade deals independently with other nations


We were a vassal state by agreeing to joint rules, bills, having a say in continent affairs? Clubs require rules to work, I don't think that makes every member of the 27/28 a vassal state. Are we a declining country? Yes but the EU isn't the reason why for me and we partly joined the Commons Market becuase we were already in decline as the Sick Man of Europe. Awful education system, failure to deal with loss of empire, poor infrastructure, productivity issues, high levels of debt, so on and so forth are our current problems.

Trade deal was part of deal/compromise of joining the club of Europe. There are pro's and con's with that, I suspect the future will indicate it was overall better to be part of a trading bloc, obviously you feel differently.

I don't like the fact that we have to pay them money either. We've given enough to the EU over the years.


We made agreements, if we welch on our finical promises then why would anyone make any agreement with us? How will credit agenicies and other bodies treat a country that defaults on money owed. Even if we signed up to literally no part of the EU, which I doubt any government would actually do as a deliberate policy, we still owe pensions, payments already agreed and so on.

Given we are going to lose money from Brexit, it doesn't suggest we were paying onerous fees

It might surprise you but I'm a fan of Corbyn's, however, I think he is too much of a socialist and I don't like anyone else who is a part of labour. Especially Diane Abbot.


Why do you like Corbyn and dislike Abbott particularly?

A second referendum would be a betrayal. It's undemocratic and would arguably be even more divisive than the first.


How is consulting the people undemocratic? It is literally giving people a vote, going "ok here is where we are, here are the options facing us, what do you want to do". There are arguments against it (like it looks very impractical) but undemocratic I don't see. What I do agree is it is very very likely to be even more divisive.

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-Stories that Amazon's UK boss told Raab they are preparing for civil unrest within 2 weeks of no deal

-Finical Times says UK's proposal for how City of London accesses EU markets has been rejected

-Someone has leaked to Telegraph that Javid has waved blanket ban on allowing prisoners to be extradited when they face death penalty and open to allowing Isis fighters to go through Guantanamo Bay treatment. People take by surprise and I suspect MP's not happy at what feels like as changing long standing policy without debate, number 10 not racing to back Javid but eventually was pressured into doing so. Ben Wallace had to answer to parliament and said it was rare case, if they didn't lift the ban they feared no trial and they had been stripped of UK citizenship.

I am not happy with this decision.

-May says time to get on with Brexit, USA/Canada/Australia show interest in trade deals, uses cooking and walking to deal with stress of job, UK's university system means we would do well in competitive tendering. Will meet the Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz, Czech PM Andrej Babiš and Estonian Prime Minister Jüri Ratas this week.

-Raab says deal can be done if both sides show energy and pragmatism, he will strain every sinew to get best deal and thinks it can be done by October

-Jeremy Hunt has met his German counterpart Heiko Maas, Hunt warns a very real risk of accidental no deal due to EU waiting to see if UK blinks, it would be incredibly challenging economically but UK would adjust, warns no deal would poison British attitudes to Europe for a generation, only person that would be happy would be Putin (has he talked to some on his backbenches)

-Corbyn worried that government is prioritising preparing for no deal rather then making a deal, talks need to be stepped up, trying to get MP's vote on anti-Semitism guidelines postponed till August so more people can attend and the current one is out for consultation, real fur sales should be banned

-Medicines being stockpiled in case of no deal. Brexiteers who have been arguing for no deal haven't been warning this was a necessary step

-Dame Hodge says she used to disagree with those who accused Corbyn of anti-Semitism but he has to stand on his record, it had finally got a bridge too far for her to defend him, won't leave but will have to fight within the party to defeat anti-Semitism (a terrible thing to have to do in 2018 as she points out), amazing Labour could write to her in 12 hours given how slow Labour usually is with anti-Semitism, instructed her lawyers to fight Labour case against her. Says some of abuse she has got "I’ve been called a Zionist bitch. I’ve been told that I’m under the orders of my paymaster in Israel. I’ve been called a supporter of the racist state of Israel. And I’ve been told that they should dress my as a Palestinian so that her own paymasters shoot the traitor. And the only connection between me and Israel is that I’m a Jew, and Jews live in Israel ..." would be allowed under Labour's definition, Labour's shadow solicitor general Nick Thomas-Symonds says it is covered by the code and says the changes actually make such covering stronger

-Labour leader in Lords Baroness Smith says no point adopting a version of anti-Semitism that Jewish community unhappy

-Long-Bailey says Labour are in dark place on anti-Semitism due to minority and failure to deal with it quickly but they will get it right, the idea behind definition had been one that would be legally robust so it could be used quickly but it hasn't won faith of Jewish community or MP's. WIll work very hard cross party to prevent no deal, has no grudges on Labour Brexiteers who backed May as their views were well known

-McDonnell wants Smith and Lewis to be fired for whipping scandal, says Labour's definition has got different views from Jewish communities so they should just get on with it and maybe review later, pessimistic bout early election as Tories will keep clinging on but they are imploding very quickly, need reform of Westminster voting laws

-National Audit Office questions how accurate are recylying figures are as most is spent abroad where it isn't always clear what happens to the waste

-Cabinet goes to Gateshead with new money announced for area

-Apparently Sinn Feinn is taking flak in Ireland for not taking Westminster seats given Brexit while Sinn Feinn leadership meets Barnier to tell him they back EU on Ireland backstop

-Shailesh Vara promised within N.Ireland office

-Rees-Mogg says people like him would be very happy with a deal on Lancaster house lines

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-Sammy Wilson says imposing abortion reform on N.Ireland would be against devolution and democracy

-Alistair Carmichael on pairing

-Sir Cable denies he missed Brexit vote due to talks about centrist party but it was a mistake not to be here, won't be joining new party

-Creasy says she doesn't believe Corbyn is anti-Semitic but he needs to show leadership on the issue and adopt the international guidelines

-Sir Grieve says no deal would be a catastrophe and would require the UK to undertake emergency measures as would be a state of emergency, only way May falls is if the hard Brexiteers lose their heads

-Kendall says Labour's failure to adopt full definition of anti-Semitism is a catastrophic disaster and a shameful decision

-Boris accuses Khan of failing on knife crime and blaming everyone but himself

-Lord Hesltine wants a second referendum

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-John Harris bemoans loss of civility among left

-Craig Bennet warns Defra badly unprepared for no deal

-Lord Ashcorft on public attitude on Brexit
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:31 pm

-Met Office warning to stay indoors this week due to exceptional temperatures getting attacked by some as nanny state

-Expected to be payrises for public sector and end of the paycap

-German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas says both ides will have to make concessions, doing bilateral work with UK for post Brexit, doesn't want disorderly Brexit

-May's Q&A with Gateshead workers as seen titles like "Maybot is back". She did not perform well unsurprisingly

-Mary Lou McDonald wants special EU summit in September to help with Brexit, fears May is rolling back on border backstop

-Convey says no deal would be very bad for everybody

-Government saying every household should have aces to full-fibre broadband by 2033 and majority to have 5G by 2025, hoping to be able to block foreign takeovers in any sector on grounds of national security

-Corbyn argues for ensuring government contracts go to UK firms and would negotiate for less restrictive state aid rules, new payrises will be paid for by cuts elsewhere he suspects, schools aren't funded properly and there is too competitive an attitude in them, would reprogram economy more towards manufacturing

-Raab says 39 billion to EU depending on a deal happening, won't be removal of EU citizens rights in no deal, some parts of European Communities Act need to be brought back in for transition period, hints EU migrants could get preferential treatment in immigration system , agrees with Barnier about need to dedramtise Irish border issue, inadvertently says Red Sea rather then Irish sea (while refusing to rule out border being set there), no deal would present short term problems has faith UK would thrive in medium and long term, willing to compromise on Chequers deal but only so far, promises government will ensure food supplies

-Snuck out on last day wash up is government admitting Cabinet Office, not Brexit department, is now in charge of talks. Raab says it is simply unifying command and he is May's deputy

-Ian Paisley suspended by Commons for 30 and suspended by DUP. The former was expected and then Paisley would walk the relection but DUP also suspending him was not certain

-Olly Robbins denies EU leaders got shown white paper early

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-Boris admits Javid's decision undermines UK's opposition to executions but feels Javid, after a talk, is right to make an exception

-Clive Lewis (video) defends Labour's definition of anti-Semitism

-Dr Woolostan (sun) more needs to be done with stalking

-Stewart Jackson says May blocked Davis plans to prepare for no deal, she also blocked early white paper, getting officials out in Brussels doing granular technical negotiations six months earlier, Irish protocol putting legal text to the Irish government

-Wishart jokes MP's need to put up hard border to prevent May getting to Wales for holidays

-Blair calls for new political coalition to take country away from extremes, too many trying to ride the anger from the crush rather then offer real modern solutions

-Bishop of Leeds has a right go at Brexiteer leadership for protecting their finances from Brexit

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-James Lansdale on why government has waived usual objections to death penalty, Hinsliff fears we will come to regret abandoning our principles

-Kuessenberg on Labour and anti-Semitism

-Lewis Goodall fears May has made the same mistakes as Cameron did when it comes to Europe

-Henry Newman on Irish backstop

-Ben Chu alarmed by Corbyn's economic speech
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:20 pm

-Daby makes maiden speech. So does O'Mara. One of them has far better reason they did this at end of term

-Lord Callanan denies food is being stockpiled while Hancock admits medicine stockpiling

-McDonnell with an unfortunate slip of the tongue "‘Let me put this message out to anyone: we are a party that’s anti-racist and anti-Semitist… sorry… we’re against anti-Semitism.’" Says Labour Brexiteers who voted with government feel May will fall in autumn anyway but he feels those four are making a mistake, disappointed Woodcock has left as he likes him and better to have a broad church of views, he respects views of likes of Umunna and Streeting. Labour need another 5 points in polls, will write to Rudd as new diary secretary meant she wasn't informed when he was in her constituency, feels Dame Hodge understandably misunderstood the new code and was rightly angry so wishes matter to be settled swiftly and amicably

-Gove thinks tariff free access to EU food-markets is overwhelmingly likely, EU is being very constructive on the matter and Barnier doesn't want barriers, UK being prudent to prepare for no deal, promises levels of payments to farmers will be guaranteed in cash terms till 2022

-Corbyn says we need a custom union with EU to avoid being in hock to Trump, willing to extend transition, no deal would be unacceptable

- Investigatory Powers Tribunal says Foreign Secretaries between 2001 and 2012 gave GCHQ too much power for access to phone data though says the intelligence agency never abused it and governments have done better since

-Maria Miller on tackling sexual harassment in workplace

-MOD forget to tell parliament of money it gave to Jordanian armed forces

-Education Committee concerned at amount of children excluded from main-stream classes

-Morgan has written to Paypoint bosses about their recent technical issues

-Coveney says UK can't afford no deal and negative implications for everyone would be very serious, Chequers gives a basis for talks though some parts would be difficult for EU to agree with (he personally doesn't think goods and services can be easily separated nowadays), thinks N.Ireland amendments to customs bill will have to be dropped, would support extending article 50 if UK wanted it, argues Ireland is one of UK's biggest allies in EU (some Brexiteers see them as a wicked enemy)

-Nia Griffiths on Hodge situation ""I just can’t see a situation where we discipline people for speaking their minds to each other, whether its members of the shadow cabinet or the leader of the opposition himself." and suggested it wouldn't be what Corbyn wanted but seemed unaware Hodge was actually charged by the party

-May says people should be reassured that government is preparing for all eventualities, Hammond calls it taking sensible precautions, Lidington says any prudent overgarment would do the same

-Hammond says government not looking for further divergence with N.Ireland and says any such move would be met with heavy resistance anyway

-Dr Fox says relations with EU will depend of if we get a "people's Brexit" or a "bureaucrats Brexit", Junker today handling UK trade with US is why he wants to leave EU, same people behind project fear are doing scarestories about US trade deals

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-Sir Grieve on second referendum

-Hannan (sun) bemoans EU's aggressive attitude

-David Campbell Bannerman says (amidst discussion treason laws should be updated) though of extreme EU loyalty should be charged with treason, he also tweets this using telegraph front page on jihdiast treason, perhaps not aware the paper irresponsibly tweeted a few weeks ago "Is Theresa May guilty of treason? Plenty of readers think so. Politicians would be wise to listen up"

-Plaid AM Simon Thomas resigns as police arrested him for what is described as an alleged serious offence

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-George Monbiot feels Conservatives should be renamed

-Martin Rosenbaum government record on FOI

-Anand Menon against second referendum

-Susan McKay not impressed with Paisley or DUP's reaction
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:19 pm

-Commons environmental audit committee warns it is a matter of life and death that we adapt the country to these heatwaves and climate change, this summer could be normal by 2040 with 7'000 heatwave deaths per year by 2050, more needs to be done on buildings not overheating and councils creating greenery, dress codes need to be relaxed and look at rules for max temperatures for working

-Our main three Jewish Newspapers (Jewish Chronicle, Jewish News, Jewish Telegraph) have published a joint editorial and a joint front page "United We Stand" making clear their feelings on what Corbyn has done and what it makes Labour. Hint, it is not a friend to Jews. That Labour is now having to deny they would be a threat to Jewish way of life is extraordinary

-Coveney doubts UK will just crash out of EU as people on both sides (including himself) determined to prevent a disorderly Brexit, unionists have nothing to fear from the intergovernmental conference being revived after a decade as Ireland won't interfere in devolved matters

-Hammond doubts we can legally extend leaving EU process

-Olly Robbins says EU will demand border controls of some sort on Irish border if no deal

-Corbyn says he hopes Dame Hodge has now read Labour's definition on anti-Semitism and has come round

-Supreme Court warns it will take several weeks to come to a decision on the complex case of Hollyrood's Brexit bill

-Public Accounts Committee says outsourcing NHS backroom roles has been a shambles and continuing the current contract potentially risk serious harm to patients

-Trickett on Labour ending outsourcing

-Universities Minister Sam Gyimah not happy at amount of unconditional offers to students

-Treasury Committee says councils overzealous in use of bailiff's and wants lifetime Isa's abolished

-French Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau says not too late for UK to return to EU, no deal is better then a bad deal from EU perspective but all would suffer and EU having to prepare due to lack of signifiant progress, not convinced extending article 50 would work, Barnier represents the whole EU on Brexit matters.

-ONS warns that, for first time in 30 years, average family is spending more then they bring in

-May says Brexit offers real opportunities for agriculture and ensuring CAP be replaced by a simpler system is fundamental

-Ashworth and Gardiner call for Labour to accept the international standard for what counts as anti-Semitism

-Barnier wants deal by October summit, white paper a step forward, close to a security agreement, rejects May's custom tariff collecting plan but open to a customs union, doesn't have issue with UK's backstop proposal in principle but some concerns at the practicalities. Is no surprise trade discussions are proving difficult, considers the 39 billion bill settled and not up for discussion, won't compromise on the 4 freedoms and some parts of UK plan ask them do so.

-Raab confident they can find agreement on backstop, all parties said they would accept referendum result and second referendum is unacceptable, will meet Barnier again in mi-August then have weekly meetings till summit

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-Boris (who had taken the decision on extradition with Javid) dismisses complaints about extraditing to America as humbug since few would complain if the people involved had been killed by drone strike, Chequers is vassalage/colony state

-Labour whip Fiona Onasanya charged with allegedly perverting the course of justice over speeding

-Tugendhat and Khalid Mahmood want treason act of 1351 to be updated, last updated in 98 to remove execution

-Field says when he backed government on Brexit was two thirds of his constituents backed Brexit and felt Westminster didn't listen to them so showed they had a voice

-Woman's Equality Party leader Sophie Walker wants her party to back second referendum

-Hoey says her votes knew her views on Brexit going into election, points out for decades she was in the same lobby as Corbyn on these matters

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-Peter Barnes, for BBC, looks at how polls have changed since Chequers

-Ciarán Dunbar looks into claims about planes flying if no deal

-Frances Ryan on social care

-Giles Fraser warns progressive liberals smugness risks destroying the left

-Alex Morton on housing reform

-Kuessenberg on where government stands on Brexit right now
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:14 pm

-McVey worried by decline in youngsters getting summer jobs

-Javid to allow certain cannabis based health treatments

-Government ends private probation contracts

-May invited to Salzburg music festival, refuses to promise Wales won't lose out financially from Brexit but Welsh farmers will get that finical protection

-Funny how health warnings about heatwave being derided as nanny state have stopped....

-Facebook have released pro-Brexit referendum ads to public domain and the spending (Vote Leave top with £2.7 million), some of them seem to be BeLeave ads posted by Vote Leave. Should have done same for Remain ads

Though quite why Brexiteers were arguing the British cuppa (their language) was under threat, I'm not sure. Or how it saves polarbears?

-Cooperation's with US on the two Isis Beatles case paused due to court challenge

-The Vote Leave whistle-blower has been sacked by the Taxpayers Alliance and they now engaging in legal proceedings as to why. Whatever the reasons, the Brexiteers treatment of him, and even May's, has been shocking in the past and he has suffered enough surely

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-Angus MacNeil, Bradhsaw and Jarine say Barnier has killed Chequers plan

-Credit Sir Bernard Jenkin for not ranting against Linkear over his backing second referendum but dealing with the media question calmly

-Caroline Lucas says Remain leadership needs to change personal and tactics

-Lord Price, former trade minister and ex-head of Waitrose, warns no deal will push up fresh food, veg, fruit, meat and diary prices due to new supply chains and tarrifs

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-Ben Emmerson questions legality of extraditing to USA if execution could be result

-Marc Wallace hopes anti-Semitism in Labour must not become the new normal

-Ian McConnell worried by Tory Brexiteers preparing scapegoats for economic pain

-Henry Newman says Europe needs to wake up to how bad no deal would be for them
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:52 am

-Prince Charles having to give written evidence to child abuse inquiry and his relationship to disgraced paedophile bishop, combined with needing to deny interfering in police matters, has damaged him

-Ian Blackford forced to apologize after sharing and condemning a fake tweet he thought was from Raab (took several attempts it would seem before he realized that actually it was fake)

-Barwell retweeted helpful council and polling, presumably to cheer Tories up. Tweeting a poll that has Labour and Tories level probably not going to do trick

-Culture Committee warns we face a democratic crises due to spread of "relentless targeting of hyper-partisan views, which play to the fears and prejudices of people, in order to influence their voting plans"" and misuse of data, has suppressed some disturbing evidence of hacking, disinformation and voter suppression it has found that it wants police to investigate, accuses Facebook of hampering their inquires and being slow to give information. Social media companies should face tighter regulation and responsibility for what is on their sites with a third category between publisher and platform plus a levy to help fund increased workload of regulators+educational work+public information campaigns and an audit, public register for political advertising, online ads should have the same "from such and such" imprint other political ads do, electoral fraud fines should increase to a set of organization's annual turnover (not sure that works for a one off campaign group).

Cummings says the committee knowingly and sometimes through incompetence makes false claims about alleged misuse of data and ‘fake news from the fake news committee.’

-Culture Committee's report into fake news was meant to be published on Sunday but got leaked yesterday. Who by? Vote Leave's mastermind Dominic Cummings who wished to take back control. Since his group has been discovered to have broken electoral law, allegedly he has refused to meet the investigatory body, ignored the summons of our elected parliament and now leaking reports. How is this taking back control?

-Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz says we must avoid a hard Brexit, he views Brexit very negatively but thinks talks are going well and hopes things are completed by summit in October

-Dr Fox says UK being pushed to no deal because EU says no to everything, we should leave with no deal if current talks break down rather then extend article 50 as would be regarded as a complete betrayal of the vote

-Vauxhall Labour issue motion of no confidence in Kate Hoey and asking party to deselect her for "colluding" with Farage, breaking manifesto on Brexit (did they note pay attention to Hoey's record and comments on Brexit before now?) and propping up May. It also attacks her for backing grammar schools, fox hunting and being chair of countryside alliance which they believe is against core Labour values. Labour need to be careful, they may not be pleased with Hoey but being seen as axing a pro-Brexit MP on what is clearly about Brexit sends the wrong signal. It will also be interesting to see if those unhappy when it was feared it would happen to centrist MP's come to her defence.

Hoey says she is relaxed about it and she felt voting for the amendment would have been against the manifesto, she knew her local party was pro-Remain but she puts country above them.

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-Brown's energy Mike O'Brien says he has got rid of his smart meter which I suspect will be jumped on by those with concerns

-Cummings says second referendumers will regret it as Leave would win by a higher margin and then form a new political party that would quickly take office and ensure a proper Brexit that the people voted for since current MP's can be trusted

-Fiona Onasanya strongly denied charges against her

-Labour really needs to ensure none of their MP's are seen at a Billy Brag concert, in a room or protest with him for a long awhile.

-Bid for Scotsman drops plans to have Salmond as chair as too "politically infected" and wanting a more technology minded figure in charge

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-Freedland on why Jews are so worried by Labour

-Patrick Cockburn says Isis trial has exposed UK as a weak state

-Forsyth (sun) state of Brexit, May a bad salesperson, mood among Tory MP's and other matters
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