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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:54 am

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Dong Zhou wrote:You mean shouting red, white and blue isn't a plan? Your an enemy of the people :wink:


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Maybe. I feel I'm one of the rare people who say, fine we lost the vote, we're leaving. BUT if that is happening we need to give it a good go and lets use it as an opportunity for a good shake up.


So a Remainer but since we are going out, on the Hannan side of things? I respect that faction for, as you say, at least they have a plan (as does WWD on a different side of the Brexit factions) but I have wondered if the Hannan faction is more idealistic then practical to ever govern and frankly, they aren't in power+going to gain popularity in time to sway May's Brexit. The Brexit they are going to get is a very very different to their dream and I think they will be in shock in five years
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:03 pm

I'm not sure I know enough about any Brexit faction to say that I'm in the camp of anyone. However I also agree that I don't think Brexit is going to look anything like what the vast majority of voters who supported it thought it would be.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:17 pm

Ah what I mean is that you want radical reform of the system. Which I agree with (I just don't always agree with their reforms and like you, I don't think Brexit was best route forward but I agree with the need for radical reforms), I suspect nobody is going to be particularly happy with Brexit deal in itself (compromise has to happen, some painful realities will hit, somebody is going to be really upset on immigration policy depending which minister wins) but any negative consequences pain will cause people to double down on Brexit
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:43 pm

-Barnier wants deal done by October next year due to lengthy ratification process, fears we may fail to strike deal and the three things must be solved quickly: the bill, N.Ireland, foreign nationals future, does not wish to talk about trade deal till after Brexit deal

-May met Sturgeon for first time since becoming PM and to make pro-union speech, also defends international aid as showing we are a kind and generous country, opposes Scottish referendum during Brexit talks

-Sir Stramer says Labour has six tests for May's Brexit including exact same benefits from single market and customs union as we have now, fair immigration system, strong relationship with EU and will vote against deal if it doesn't hit the goals. Says we should pay what we owe EU or it sends wrong message to rest of world, warns Brexit will not in itself lead to the fundamental change people want. He writes about it here

-Corbyn opposes the "Henry VIII powers", would not oppose government if Fixed Terms act was repealed (aka May sought election), calls Prevent anti-productive as Muslims feel targetted and is wary of calls for access to encrypted stuff

-Rudd expects to pay something for single market access, calls for way to get into encrypted devices, won't pause Prevent

-UKIP pressing for Clacton byelection

-UKIP set out their six Brexit conditions including unimpeded parliamentary sovereignty, full control on immigration and full maritime sovereignty, retake seat on WTO, pay nothing to EU, Brexit done before end of 2019

Neither Labour (though mostly because David Davis made a howler) or UKIP demands seem 100% possible, enough to say "our demands were realistic" (if they aren't, neither are the goverment's goals) but enough room that, particularly UKIP, can decry deal

-Downing Street says Henry VIII powers would be time-limited and Hollyrood would get some too

-Pound doing strongly thanks to Trump's healthcare failure causing trouble for dollar

-Brokenshire extends Stormont deadline

-Khan goes to Brussels and Paris, warns we mustn't loose security cooperation

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-Baroness Warsi calls for independent review of Prevent

-Dan Jarvis sets out his vision for future

-Dr Andrew Murrison on encrypted data

-Clegg not pleased with Rudd's call for access to encrypted devices

--McCluskey says Corbyn should be given 15 more months to turn things around

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-Dominic Lawson on Remainers going too far

-Owen Bennett rails against Carswell

-Tom Peck on sir Stramer's demands

-Ian Dunt welcomes Sir Stramer's change of tactics
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:59 pm

-BBC did Brexit special Question Time, David Davis rules out paying 50 billion and says EU migration might not go down after Brexit and that it will take time to get to the 100,000 target, says may told him she wasn't likely to seek to pay for access to single market. Salmond says David Davis will make concessions with EU and annoy Brexiteers

-Sturgeon feels May isn't listening or making concessions, will explain her plans after Easter break to Hollyrood if May continues to oppose referendum

-Brokenshire says there is no appetite for another N.Ireland election and he has contingency plans for after Easter to avoid that, DUP accuses Sinn Fein of not talking talks seriously with the latter saying DUP refusing to budge on things like Irish language lessons and refusing to talk on Sunday's

-The new £1 coin out today. Don't try to spend it at the Royal Mint though, they haven't adapted all of it

-NHS England looking at whether some medicines should be removed from free prescriptions with ten products on initial proposed list (gluten free food, fish oil, muscle oil, travel vaccinations and so on) which would save 100 million and strongly hinting they could go further to things like cough medicine, paracetamol, heartburn medicines, suncreams.

-Lord Colgrain, former head-hunter has been elected to the House of Lords as a hereditary peer

-Sadiq Khan goes to Brussels, meets Guy Verhofstadt and urges EU not to go for punishment deal as would not be the action of a confident institution and would hurt EU

-Welsh government looking at demanding council meetings be webcast

- Guy Verhofstadt says no plan to punish UK

-Vine and Morgan having row over sexism in Mail headline (the key thing about Sturgeon and May's meeting is "never mind Brexit, who won Legs-it?" apparently), Dugher unhappy with it, Khan fears it puts women off, Sturgeon says back to 1970's, Ruth Davidson posts a picture of her legs but Downing Street says it isn't a matter for them, Mail spokesperson (legs not shown) says shows lack of humour among left who should get a life, Vine says people have had had a sense of humour failure. Greens have formally complained which I think is a bad move

-Rumours Brexiteers walk out of Brexit Comitee as they consider latest planned report as too gloomy

-Green's Cato refuses to condemn threats against those holding public meetings about fracking when told about it on DP, simply dismisses it as a divisive subject unlike renewables. So the Greens policy is now "if your threatened, your fault for backing divisive subject"? :?

-Hollyrood guards to be given tasers

-Gorton byelection to be on March 4th, same day as local elections. Not much of a surprise

-Boris backs Telegraph campaign against EU redtape

-Seems to be a dispute between Sturgeon and May on if May said Sturgeon's timetable was realistic or if she said nothing of the sort

-Boris dismisses allegations GCHQ wiretapped Trump and tries to dampen down the row as insignificant (historian and MP Keith Simpson disagreed), says Trump is shifting on climate change and other issues, accuses Thornberry of being too pessimistic about Trump becuase Trump keeps being persuaded into a more Western friendly position

-Tom Watson wants Osborne to be stripped of his whip due to Standard job, not going to happen

-Second referendum passes Hollyrood by 69 votes to 59

-David Mundell indicates government is against referendum till translational period after Brexit (so mid 2020's) is done, I'm not sure that will be popular

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-Sir Simon Fraser, former head of foreign office, says talks with EU will take longer then two years and doubts divide and rule will work

-Awkward for DP with Redwood seemingly believing he was invited on for a different subject

-IDS says EU may owe us money and calls for a major review on EU regulations

-The head of Germany’s Chambers of Commerce Eric Schweitzer warns his members that Brexit will have serious impact on trade with UK

-Livingstone says he is a victim of McCarthyisim for hiss support of Palestine

-Murdo Fraser thanks Sturgeon for making Tories popular in Scotland

-Shadow Minister Jon Ashworth on NHS uncertainty

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-Brian Taylor on May's visit to Scotland

-Mark Devenport on Stormont deadlock

-Kevin Connelly on Brexit talks

-James Lansdale on Brexit challenge for Whitehall and how it is meeting it

-Bush ismantles idea Carswell has a strong personal vote

-Marc Wallace warns Remainers are badly failing to understand the voters

-Youguv looks at initial reaction to Labour's tests for Brexit
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:59 am

Dong Zhou wrote:
-Marc Wallace warns Remainers are badly failing to understand the voters


I thought this was a good article!
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:32 pm

PMQ's: Corbyn goes on police cuts and funding in aftermath of last week which quickly descends into statistics with May able to point to fall in crimes and able to defend her reforms. For once Corbyn saves some of his questions for later having had the worst of not strong first session. Angus Robinson accuses May, with the Commons getting rowdy, on invoking article 50 without agreement and calling it a broken promise, May bluntly reminded him that Scotland is part of the UK and UK government is to lead on Brexit then Robinson demands referendum on Brexit, he did a pretty good job. Then Corbyn tries on school funding, May dodged around it which means Corbyn had edge but May then hit Corbyn hard on his own spending record.

Salmond had a rather good tease about a diviided UK so maybe delay article 50

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-Article 50 letter including asking for early agreement on transitional agreement , a bold trade deal, shares EU values. However some seeing a threat to withdraw security cooperation and EU seems to be rather angry

-May's article 50 speech includes a lot of how important EU is with a new deep and special relationship, the world needs the values of the EU, that there will be negative consequences to Brexit as well as optimism of a good global Brexit of opportunity who could be greater then ever, she will stand for all of the UK, all four nations, clearly trying to reach to all sides at home and abroad. Was a good well delivered speech and surprisingly pro EU, Corbyn didn't match that as his delivery was hectoring as he spoke of government's bad plan for low wage tax haven, protecting workers rights, meeting promises, splits among cabinet, Boris dishonesty and so on. May did a speech to the nation, Corbyn did a parliamentary one for most part

-A sad President Tusk calls it a sad day, he already misses us but Brexit has united EU, says negations will be damage control to protect the 27

-Shadow David Anderson says N.Ireland party need to look at where they are prepared to give ground rather then what they want and he already misses us

-Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill opposes direct rule and says another election will be needed if talks fail

- International Development Committee defends international aid and says media can be misleading+Patel needs more of a sense of how much is wasteful spending

-Public sector to get 1% payrise

-Electoral Commission says it had to talk with a lot of bodies to ensure they didn't breach referendum campaign rules including IMF and Bank of England (credit to Sun who actively sought advice on the matter for itself)

-Hammond expects a deal with EU, frictionless borders and some give and take, calls for an end to division, mentions we can't have cake and eat it (seen as a Boris shot, Boris team has shot back saying this is a day for optimism and Hammond may change mind soon)

-Sarah Vine defends her legs article and points out a rather ugly Observer attack that should have been slammed more then the legs thing

-EU Parliament says it will veto any deal if we apply date of EU nationals not having rights guaranteed to a date before deal is done

-Channel 4 won't be privatized but Karen Bradley demands it moves some of it's offices and studio's outside London

-Youguv polling gives majority backing Brexit, that Brexit is right, confidence in May to get a good deal and back her vision, don't want a second referendum or parliament to have say, happy for no deal but 40% think we can control EU immigration and have free trade....

-Spanish government opening Brexit part in London embassy to help it's citizens manage the process

-European Commission blocks London Stock Exchange merger with Deutsche Börse (says would have been too large, not Brexit related) but was expected

-Dublin government says Brexit will have major negative effects on them

-First Minister Carwyn Jones fears a rise of English nationalism

-President Hollande warns Brexit is going to hurt UK hard, predicts a multispeed Europe

-Angus Robertson says to deny Scotland a referendum would make independence inevitable

-Chancellor Merkel will seek deal based on shared values but says trade deal comes after Brexit deal and her foreign minister Sigmar Gabriel says they must remember need to stay friends

-Nuttall promises UKIP will be the guard dogs of Brexit

-Guy Verhofstadt says citizens will be first thing to discuss, promises Ireland border will be maintained free, warns against UK trying to divide and rule, would accept three years transitional deal

-Sturgeon accuses May of a reckless gamble with her version of Brexit

-Rudd says if UK not given access to Europol (but wants to not be a member), EU loses their intelligence information but says not a threat, predicts less EU migrants

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-Ryanair fears no flights between UK and EU in 2019 as a possibility. I think that would be a major surprise to put it kindly and simply trying to put pressure on government over ensuring aviation deal is done

-Amusement in Lords as Baroness Hayner raises report she has written and government responds with "thanks, this is awesome, we plan to implement it all" leaving her unsure quite where to go in a good nature way.

-Nick Herbert blames Europe for Brexit

-James Gray rails against a weak Parliament

-Emmanuel Macron says he won't punish UK an sees defence work with UK as key

-Think fair to say, Brexit MP's are happy

-IDS thanked by member of public for Brexit after article 50 debate

-Farage says article 50 means we have past the point of no return

-Stephen Dorrell says he will not unite behind Brexit

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-BBC profiles Brexit negotiators and does sector by sector of what they demand from EU

-Iain Watson on SNP plans

-Kuessneberg sympathetic towards May's task now Brexit has started

-Mogens Peter Carl says if both sides adjust attitude, EU-UK deal can be done for benefit of both

-Freedland say May is throwing away all she values
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:31 pm

-May can not guarantee a drop in immigration, refuses to say what her new model for UK if there is no deal will look like

-First Minister Jones expects Brexit talks to last nearer five years rather then two, Brexit done well doesn't need to hurt, angry none of the devolved nations saw article 50 letter in advance

-Corbyn against second referendum, wants Scottish one delayed till after Brexit deal is done

-Nuttall says he disagrees with very little of May's current Brexit plan

-Due to failure to agree budget, civil servant David Sterling has taken control of N.Ireland finances

-Public Accounts Committee accuses government of delusions about education spending

-Sun headline on article 50 day "Your money or your lives"

-Sturgeon writes on SNP's stance to article 50

-Been noted that May, Hammond, Rudd have been doing the airwaves, Boris has been restricted to one Telegraph article.

-David Davis denies the security part of article 50 letter was an attempt at blackmail and claims EU leaders have seen the letter as done in positive tone, warns will take time to bring immigration down, defends trade deal in two years timetable, excited for future, says courts will take into account past ECJ rulings which has amused Remainers, hints at vote on leaving EEA (Brext department blocks that one), clear sense that government has yet to work out which parts need devolved consent

-EU figures like Verhofstadt and French ambassador to UK Sylvie Bermann are making clear Europe will not accept security used as bargaining chip as part of the trade deal

-Lloyds has suddenly announced a new office in Brussels by 2019 to help with passporting rights with some staff to be moved, JP Morgan to Dublin stories mysteriously start to leak,Citigroup admit they have told staff they are expecting to move jobs out of UK . Doubt the timing will please Number 10

-President Holldane, Ireland’s ambassador to the UK Daniel Mulhall and Chancellor Merkel rejects idea of Brexit and trade deal at same time

-Javid looking to clampdown on leasehold houses

-Brexit department warns 11,000 standing orders needed to transfer around 8,000 EU laws

-President Junker says EU must use Brexit to become stronger, jokes he will help Ohio and Texas became independent as tribute to Trump

-President Tusk says EU must make claim on sovereignty arguments

-German foreign minister Sigmar Gabriel warns UK will get a less favourable trade deal then EU members

-May held private dinner for Mail editor Paul Dacre

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-Paul Waugh "David Davis is the Martin McGuinness of the Brexit movement"

-There is a second article 50 letter but it is identical and just so both sides have a copy

-Clegg pops onto Labour front bench to chat to Sir Stramer during great repeal bill
-Lord Patten not a fan of the government

-Livingstone tells waiting media there was collaboration between Nazi's and Jews in 1933 to help them get to Israel just before he enters his hearing. His written defence

-Gina Miller says she may take great repeal bill to court

-Lord Mandelson tears into Sir Stramer

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-Kuessneberg on article 50 letter

-Alex Forysth on key points of the letter

-D'Arcy on state of Brexit Committee

-Kamal Ahmed on May's speech

-John Curtice suggests recent Scottish polling is big blow to Sturgeon

-John Elledge calls Carswell obsolete with his dreams shattered

-Anthony Wells on Youguv's Brexit attitude polling
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:05 pm

-BBC explains Great Repeal Bill

-Ipsa to stop publishing MP travel claims due to issues of safety

-Sturgeon has signed formal request for referendum. Mail notes her toes were exposed

-85 MPs and MEP's led by Pat McFadden urges BBC not to bow to Brexiteers pressure

-Greening warns rich but less bright young kids are doing better then bright poor kids in life

- Simon Stevens says NHS will breach waiting time targets for things like knee and hip operations so they can focus on more important areas

-Consumer Confidence Index remains unchanged at negative 6, Q4 growth confirmed at 0.7%, current account deficit is just 2.4% of GDP, households saving less then any time on record

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-Martin Kettle warns we are facing a fight for the union

-John Harris on irrelevant Labour

-Ross Clark not happy with Bank of England holding back on raising interest rates

-Stephen Bush warns not a good sign for unions that BBC just showed favour to union leadership contestant

-Tim Montgomerie calls for more radical reform from May and 3 mistakes she has made
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:44 pm

-D'Arcy's Week Ahead

-A draft document on the EU's Brexit strategy says ""After the UK leaves the union, no agreement between the EU and the UK may apply to the territory of Gibraltar without agreement between Spain and the UK." after Spanish lobbying. Gibraltar is rather unhappy, UK says it will not abandon Gibraltar ad Tory MP's are unhappy despite some of having brought this on Gibraltar. We really shouldn't have been surprised Spain might try to use this leverage in some way

So union. N.Ireland peace and Gibraltar potentially up in the air now. Maybe May should change Red White and Blue Brexit to Red and White Cross Brexit?

-Confidential personal information about 3,000 MPs' staff and their salaries has been mistakenly published by the expenses watchdog on old website for four hours, IPSA says nobody's security has been endangered but that the information was a serious breach for the individuals

-Draft EU strategy rules out trade talks till after Brexit deal is done (President Tusk makes clear that is a line they won't drop), no hard border in Ireland, no sector by sector trade deal, a transitional deal would require supervisory oversight, and some sort of Brexit bill be settled. Indicating May and co are going to have difficult getting some of the things they are pushing for

-Sturgeon says May has ignored devolved government's over Brexit and made no compromise, argues there is no rational reason to block a referendum

-Green's claiming UK is being hit by an extreme right-wing coup and Greens will give the young their hope back

-Sir Fallon expects Nato members to be shamed into meeting their defence commitments

-Committee on Standards in Public Life consulting public on MP's second jobs (I'm not sure that is wise, can see what they will demand)

-Livingstone starting to believe he won't be expelled

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-Freeland suggests route forward for Remainers

-Gavin Hewitt on divorce with EU

-Henry Hill suggests problems with rumours of a new Liberal party

-Tamarah Cohen looks to see if there is anything beyond Brexit in government plans
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