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Unread postby Tigger of Kai » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:31 am

The French are having one of their interminable elections Sunday. Everyone expects another frighteningly high tally for the National Front candidate, Jean-Marie Le Pen. The once-mighty French Communist Party is polling at 3%, and the Socialist candidate, Segolene Royale, says she hopes to see the day when the Taliban is no longer the official government of Afghanistan. Les damnés de la terre, indeed!





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Unread postby Antiochus » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:49 pm

At least this time, it is extremely unliquely that the Front National can do any better than fourth place.

The actual electoral battle will be between The UMP and the Socialists. Though the UMP has the advantage, everything will play out in the second turn, when the voters of the other groups will have to choose for who they will vote with the defeat of their parties.
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Unread postby Glaucon » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:14 pm

This is an attempt to try and revive the discussion:

from what I have read in American papers, it will be a tough road for Royal. She really needs to crush Sarkozy in the debate. Sarkozy has 31% in the bank and can rely on another 14% of far-right voters so he only needs what, like 1/3 of the centrist votes?


Given my political affliation I am pulling for Sarkozy, but this has been an interesting campaign. Either candidate will pull France away from its current politics and I am looking forward to the vote.
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Unread postby Antiochus » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:01 pm

Royal had been avoiding the debate since the beginning of the election. That, added with Sarkozy's talent in the domain, puts her in a tough spot.

Sarkozy is much more experienced than Royal (he has been minister several times and he led the UMP party since a couple of years) while Royal has almost been catalpulted in the race. She also take the same approach John Kerry took in 2004 (I dont present much of a program, but I am not Bush/Sarkozy).

But she still has an advantage because of Bayrou, with whom she started negotiations to get the centrist votes.
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Unread postby Antiochus » Mon May 07, 2007 11:31 pm

Its over!

Sarkozy wins with 53% of the votes. France's gonvernement stays in the hands of the UMP. It is ironic though, since most media tended to bash Sarkozy (a lot like all the adds against Kerry during the Bush/Kerry campaing).
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Unread postby Tigger of Kai » Tue May 08, 2007 12:29 am

I'm fascinated by Franco-American relations, so I will be interested to see if Sarkozy takes a friendlier attitude towards Bush and Bush's eventual successor. Also, is it not now time for M. Chirac to be starting his prison stay? It seemed that his position as President was the only thing that kept him from being prosecuted, though he has been notoriously corrupt at least since his time as Mayor of Paris.
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Unread postby Antiochus » Tue May 08, 2007 12:49 am

Tigger of Kai wrote:I'm fascinated by Franco-American relations, so I will be interested to see if Sarkozy takes a friendlier attitude towards Bush and Bush's eventual successor.


Sarkozy has always taken a friendly approach with the USA and he mentionned he wanted to use american approach to solve some problems of the French institutions.

Tigger of Kai wrote: Also, is it not now time for M. Chirac to be starting his prison stay? It seemed that his position as President was the only thing that kept him from being prosecuted, though he has been notoriously corrupt at least since his time as Mayor of Paris.


Should he actually get judged, he is only going to exile himself in another country, like Jupé did before him.
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Unread postby Mistelten » Tue May 08, 2007 1:03 am

Taking a friendly attitude towards America isn't the same as a friendly attitude towards the current President. Bush won a very close election last time only because enough people feared what Kerry would happen the other way. Now since things couldn't have been done worse by him, people are probably going to become more disenfranchised. What I hope is that we have another reign of terror from the Democrats, so that the pendulum swings even further back and a real conservative is put into office. What happened in France is much like that. Leftist leadership resulted in Islamic Mobs burning Paris, and so a conservative (and a part Jew to boot, in the heart of anti-Isreal, anti-Jew Europe) is elected.

It's a shame the disgustingly false media isn't covering this, but at least it is more evidence against them as anything useful except for the enemy.
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Unread postby Tigger of Kai » Tue May 08, 2007 1:19 am

Chirac was no leftist, and he famously banned the wearing of hijab in French schools!
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Unread postby Antiochus » Tue May 08, 2007 3:36 am

That and the fact that Sarkozy's comments are mostly deformed by his adversaries to make him look bad. The worst thing he said was:

"You can either love France or leave her."

You can say what you want, but he makes a point. If you live in a country, you have to live by its laws...
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