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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:39 pm

Labour gagging row, Westminster rallies around diplomat bar Sir Cash and Farage, Labour MP's announce retirement
-Papers on the fallout of UK ambassador leak or Boris and no deal or Labour's gagging cluase row

-Tom Watson accuses Labour HQ of using gagging clauses to silence staffers on anti-Semitism, he is willing to use parliamentary privilege to help get round this, McDonnell says Labour is only reminding people of confidentially agreements they signed

-Trump's team want our ambassador gone unsurprisingly, Trump says he isn't a fan and not served UK well. UK concerned at how the leak occurred, Dr Fox call leak unprofessional, unethical and unpatriotic and maliciously undermined our security relations with US while says he knows the ambassador is well regarded in Washington, will apologize for leak but not for ambassador's words. Hunt says ambassador gave personal views rather then UK and they think Trump government is very very effective and best friend. Former ambassador Lord Renwick says Sir Darroch's position is untenable due to no fault of his and will be moved once discreet time has passed, Tugendhat has called in police, Alan Duncan says all MP's should condemn and hold Farage in competent for his attack on the ambassador

Suspicion growing among press a Brexiteer is behind the leak

-Javid says Boris best placed to deliver at a crucial time

-McDonnell says Labour need to get on with changing Brexit position but calls Corbyn's patience wiser, denies wanting Corbyn's advisers sacked. Gardnier says Labour in talks with Tory MP's who want to block no deal, N.Ireland police warn no deal risks leading to recruitment to paramilitary groups but not seen an upsurge in violence yet, Boris say we have to leave on time, Conveney says risk of no deal has never been higher and warns (particularly business) against assuming that just because delay happened in March it will happen again, Roberto Azevêdo (director general of the World Trade Organisation) says Boris was wrong and article 24 is not an option if no deal

-Gardiner has attacked Panorama program on Labour as not being balanced or impartial. BBC points out Gardiner and Labour haven't actually seen the program

-Barbara Keeley Labour policy on mental health

-Today was deadline for (I suspect I will learn of more that have announced tomorrow) Labour MP's to declare if standing in next election or if they plan to retire.

Kate Hoey to stand down at next election, former high jump champion for N.Ireland, MP since 89 and had pledged in 2015 not to stand in 2020 and had lost vote of confidence. Hoey has been long serving, a minister of sport under Blair, a competent media performer and someone whose views offered something different (pro-hand guns, pro-fox hunting,, pro-grammar schools), was important for Brexit campaign as give left-wing credibility though has not tended to do well in front of media on Brexit matters. Did hold to her principles even when unpopular with others, Momentum could do with reigning in the nastiness out of respect for a long serving figure even though they disagree with her views

While Vauxhall seen as a centrist Labour party, the two favourites are (both local) Corbyn staffer Katy Clark and Momentum's Laura Parker.

Stephen Pound standing down, MP since 97 from working class routes, closest he got to office was as shadow assistant whip and a respected shadow N.Ireland minister for 9 years amidst chaos having served long on the select committee, a performer in Commons and media with a good sense of humour who could liven up the Commons and willing to mock himself.

Stephen Twigg standing down, after 30 years wants to do something else with his life. The former NUS head, councillor and think tank head has served in public life for some time, a Blairite who ousted Portillio in a huge symbol of the 97 landslide, served in education posts then under Ed Miliband served as shadow education secretary but, though intelligent, thoughtful , knowledgeable about education and articulate, he struggled to cut through. Labour's education splits, being up against a star performer like Gove and that Gove was following some of Twigg's reforms was a problem and was demoted. Currently Dfid select committee chair

-Youguv polling says only 17% of Tory members think Islam is compatible with western day of life, 54% see it as a threat to British way of life, 54% think some areas are not safe for non-Muslims. The party really does not need a long hard looking at itself as well as an independent inquiry

-Hunt calls for term Christophobia

-Drakford says his support for Wales remaining in union is not unconditional

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-Gyimah claims 30 Tory MP's are looking at legislative ways to block no deal, Sir Grieve looking at N.Ireland assembly bill for one such move, Rees-Mogg thinks only a new law could block no deal and he would be surprised if MP's voted for one. Former Brexit department chief civil servant Philip Rycroft says everyone should worry about no deal as fraught with risk as unprecedented and biggest government operation in decades but civil service has prepared well.

-Ress-Mogg thinks Javid or Truss will be Boris chancellor, Mark Harper reminds Tories they have to be party of sound money, Margot James says she can't sign up to the commitment Boris asks on no deal Brexit

-Streeting "Labour opposes NDAs, yet seems to impose them. I'm protected by parliamentary privilege. I'll whistleblow in the House of Commons for anyone who needs me to do so. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. No more excuses or hiding places. You should promise the same Jeremy Corbyn."

-Farage demands our ambassador be sacked for insulting the great one (and for being our man in the EU once, a double crime). Wants a realignment in politics on Leave side as worried by Plaid and Lib Dem alliance in by-election, would be useful to help rebuild relations with Trump but wrong man to be ambassador, civil service need wholesale change as they don't embrace Brexit, trying to find big industrialists to meet with Trump advisers to prepare trade deal blue print.

-Could PolticsLive avoid using Peter Hitchens for a drugs debate for awhile, he is interesting but he rarely lets others speak for any real and would nice to hear other voices

-Sir Cash attacks Sir Dammoch for poor judgement on Trump and EU (which I suspect is more where Cash has issue)

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-John Harris alarmed by Liz Truss trust on cooperates and monopolies

-D'Ancona Labour is letting down it's people by ignoring the centre

-Labour councillor Asima Shaikh Corbyn economics is working in Islington

-Caspar Hughes wants more democracy in say of who stands as Labour MP

-Jill Rutter Labour should adapt immigration policy to new attitudes
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Re: UK Politics

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The two Tory leaders on ITV tonight at 8pm
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:09 pm

Trump strop, Westminster votes for major social change in N.Ireland, Labour unions push for change on Brexit stance, more Labour retirements, three Labour peers resign over Corbyn's handling of anti-Semitism
-Papers on Trump's strop and frustrations at delay to dementia reforms

-N.Ireland will have have same sex marriage if no Assembly on 21st October and have to liberalize abortion laws, marriage passed by 310 with minister Penrose warning of the complications then voting for the amendment (was free vote), abortion laws passed by 233. Labour back N.Ireland election delay but only till end of October, Bercow blocks Sir Grieve amendment to block no deal on N.Ireland bill

-Trump bars Sir Darroch, claims May made a mess of Brexit and failed to listen to his (spectacularly inept, bringing laughter on all sides of the divide) advice and great for UK we will have new PM. Then later (with May and co just getting on with their lives) calls the ambassador very stupid and a pompous fool, May's handling of Brexit was foolish, a meeting between Ivanka Trump+Commerce Sectary Wilber Ross and Dr Fox ended up cancelled after that.

Boris (he may not have been aware of the second set of attacks) says his closeness to Trump is an advantage and he has also criticized May's defeatist strategy. Sturgeon calls this a litmus test for May's successor, Hunt says Trump was disrespectful and wrong, he would keep Sir Darroch

-Labour's big unions want second referendum with remain as option and hint they want Labour to formally back remain, a move welcomed by Watson. Corbyn later says any PM should have confidence to take their deal to referendum, Corbyn says Labour would back Remain if a Tory deal or no deal but well noted he doesn't say what he would do if election and a feeling this is a bit late. Benn warning Labour will have to oppose Brexit at election if they are to win

-Worst June retail sales on record, dipping 1.3% year on year

-Labour MP chair Jon Cryer says Labour have failed on anti-Semitism and need to react quicker while ECHR investigation is embarrassing, unhappy at growing threats of deselection (his pregnant wife recently faced one) and MP's are worried though he doesn't blame this on Corbyn who tolerates range of views but on those around Corbyn.

-Gove says UK can't offshore food standards with trade deals, high agricultural standards must be protected

-Drakeford welcomes Tory leaders pledges that cash will replace EU funding for Wales but less keen on Boris saying Tories will have great control over it

-Brandon Lewis questions the accuracy of Yougov poll of Tory attitudes given only 900 members and methodology

-Irish Government says no deal would cost them 6 billion

-Labour peers resign whip over anti-Semitism: Lord Triesman, Lord Turnberg and Lord Darzi . Lord Triesman was Labour general Secretary then Foreign Minister under Blair, says he finds some of Labour's foreign positions impossible to take seriously but says mostly because Labour is "very plainly institutionally antisemitic, and its leader and his circle are antisemitic", no longer safe place for Jewish people and he no longer thinks they can win the fight against it while Corbyn remains in charge. Lord Darzi, surgeon and former health minister under Brown, says "As an Armenian survivor of the Armenian genocide, I have zero tolerance to anti-Semitism, Islamophobic or any other discrimination against religion or race." Lord Turnberg, medical expert, disagrees with Labour leadership on a few things (forigen policy, Brexit and so on) but he is leaving due to "the overt anti-Semitism that permeates the party machine that is no longer possible for me to tolerate"

Labour says Lord Triesman is being false and offensive, they ae opposed to anti-Semitism at all levels and determined to root it out from all levels of society, they are being decisive on this matter

-Further Labour retirements:

Jim Fitzpatrick , another of the Blair landslide, the former firefighter became a whip and a reliable junior minister in several departments, became Ed Miliband's Transport figure but resigned over Syria and backed May's deal. Had planned to stand down in 2020 but stayed on for snap election so not a huge surprise

Sir Kevin Barron, the former coal worker has been MP since 83, opposition spokesperson under Kinnock, Smith and Blair but didn't get post after 97 victory so became an influential select committee chair, including leading health then took charge of the parliamentary standards committee, a highly experienced and respected figure who helped strengthen regulation of MP's

Ronnie Campbell, been battling cancer, the miner has been a Corbyn loyalist and of the old left as an MP from 86, didn't always follow Corbyn line on Brexit, could speak with anger from the backbencher

Geoffrey Robertson, MP since 1976 has been struggling with illness, has begged his successor be local. Former businessman and owner of New Statesmen, he was Blair's Paymaster General but resigned after lending Mandelson money for a house was exposed, an able speaker from the backbenches on matters of business and defence but was hit by the odd expenses scandal

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-Lord Ricketts leak far worse then what was said and any damage with US, Lord Hague says we can't change ambassadors to appease a foreign power

-James Gray parliament has gone on too long so should be prorogued, Lord Hague says Hunt and Boris should rule out proroguing parliament, Grieve says it would be end of UK Parliamentary democracy

-Greening tries to rally Tory Remainers and soft Brexiteers towards referendum, Hoey says Labour's new Brexit strategy is utterly stupid and will end them in their heartlands, Lib Dems says Labour is still party of Brexit, Stephen Kinnock urges Labour to back May's deal.

-Tommy Robinson seeks to become an asylum seeker in the US.

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-MP's pushing for Hinds to give further backing to schools facing protests over LGBT education

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-Tom Harris Labour picks ambition over Jews

-Brendan Chilton on Labour unions move on Brexit
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:37 am

my thoughts on ITV debate
ITV debate: Perhaps helped by only two candidates, ITV none the less did well, the blue background worked, camera's in good positions for Boris and Hunt to address TV and live audience, questions decent with the last one surprisingly well used. Felt our host Julie Etchingham was effective, firm, a glance towards Boris gaining a laugh, she had difficulty restraining Boris but seemed to know when to just let him expose himself by his refusal to obey the rules and when to stick a firm word in. Needed to have a follow up on Iran as just having one allowed Boris to go "BLAME IRAN" without being pushed on his role.

Boris was charismatic, a few moments of humour but I felt struggled slightly with the format, rushing out his words which meant they lost a bit of impact, failed with things like time limits. Good at selling optimism/snake oil, one or two moments of humour but his attempts to interrupt and challenge Hunt tended to fail (bar the "Brexit by Christmas?"). However Hunt got him on his weaknesses, Boris looked like man without details bar "yeah that report Hunt mentioned", his constant refusal to listen to the moderator made him look bad, he struggled to say anything nice about Hunt without using it on funny way Hunt did. His crawling towards Trump and refusal to answer if he would keep our ambassador seemed to go down badly even in a room that generally liked Boris, was a hilarious but awful moment for Boris when he asked Hunt a question about tax cuts then refused to let Hunt answer, keeping demanding Hunt answer while waffling on his general point, got laughed at.

He did seem to have the crowd on his side and got applauded almost every time, I don't know if he had strong starting supporters or he won the room. However even they seemed to dislike his attitude towards Trump and he got laughed at for demanding Hunt answer while not allowing Hunt a chance to get a word in edge-ways.

Hunt: With camapign seemingly doomed, the temptation for such figures is to back off, simper a bit, do enough to seem competitive and doing job while ensuring they get a big post in the winner's regime. Hunt isn't doing that, he went for it in a way that will infuriate Boris team and leave his future in doubt, will say a lot about Boris as PM as to how he treats Hunt in terms of cabinet posts.

Hunt set out his stall well, he is an entrepreneur, willing to tell the hard truths and not giving false promises like October 31st deadline, he is an election winner like Boris but polls show he is the one the public back rather then Boris, he is the man of detail. Showed some bravery and, bar "by Christmas" where he waffled, answered Boris counter-attacks well, indeed his counter-attacks were very effective as Boris answered none and Hunt was able to build the case of the lack of detail, "lack of detail ok for columnist but not for a PM" was a good line.

Coped with the format by pointing to where he had set out more detailed, by being able to cite papers to give the impression of detailed, kept within time-limits and after early skirmishes, behaved himself and allowed Boris to behave badly. Stood up to Trump and defended the ambassador (though would not extend, something Boris tried to exploit but Boris own weak weak answers meant that tad limited).

Crowd didn't seem to be behind Hunt, at least not as much as Boris, applause here and there and his stand vs Trump impressed the room but it seemed far more applause for Hunt

Verdict: Maybe if this was a week earlier, this could have changed things but believed half of Tory membership have voted already. Boris charisma and bluster helped him early on but Hunt's grasp of detail and tactics meant he exposed and ground it down (I would give Hunt an 8, Boris a 4, not seen so one sided for so long) so by the end it was a comfortable Hunt win, Boris had been outclassed while Boris Trump response made him seem weak. Press reaction generally is Hunt won, did well but Boris didn't do anything crippling and it means nothing as Tories have either already voted or will back Boris anyway
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:45 pm

UK ambassador resigns with Boris hated right now, Labour fighting BBC, new parliament grouping
-Sir Darroch resigns as he seeks to end speculation as it has made his position impossible to carry out, praises civil service and those on both sides who have provided support but press have a strong belief he watched Boris last night and felt he had to go. To his great credit, the loyal servant of the crown and this country made no attack on figures like Boris, Hancock and Farage. The head of the foreign office sir Malcom Donald says the ambassador was only doing his job and behaved with dignity and class throughout, that Sir Darroch thought of his colleges rather then himself in resigning, he had never seen a friendly country do what Trump had done to an allied diplomat. Last time UK has such trouble with their ambassador? 1856 due to UK diplomat recruiting Americans for Crimean war. Diplomats are shaken by what has happened but they are grateful to Hunt and May for rallying to Sir Darroch, fears more leaks to come.

May says he had the full support of cabinet and it is a matter of great regret he is going and some MP's need to reflect of defending principles when under pressure, Sturgeon says it is shameful he has been forced out for doing his job and Boris behaviour speaks volumes. Boris (perhaps realizing how deep in trouble he is in Westminster and civil service) eventually, condemns leaks (which he has always done to be fair) and calls him a superb diplomat. Hancock refused to back Sir Darroch before sacking, Alan Duncan says it shows Boris is an utter wimp, contemptible and threw ambassador under bus, other MP's are tearing into Boris. Corbyn rather late on says Boris won't stund u to Trump but Corbyn won't let a foreign power pick appointees, Thornberry accuses Boris of "pathetic lick-spittle response", making us a laughing stock and should hang head in shame "just imagine Churchill allowing this humiliating, servile, sycophantic indulgence of the American president’s ego to go unchallenged.", Boris is obsequious weakling

However Youguv poll suggests only 41% of public want Sir Darroch to stay, 35% wanted him gone

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-Greive's amendment to hamper prorogation harder passes by 1 vote 294-293, requires fortnightly reports on restoring Stormont till November, there are questions it this will actually stop proroguing but makes it harder and might make it subject to legal challenge

-Boris says threatening to resign if not out in time would allow EU to dictate who was PM but totally defeatist to say we won't be out then, no deal would be vanishingly inexpensive as long as UK is prepared and Hunt is escalating fears, Trump shouldn't be dragged into UK political debate as he has been and refuses to condemn Trump's attack on UK ambassador and PM. Predicts election is coming

-Hunt using Alternative Arrangements Commission report as basis for backstop, no deal is something they could get through but would not be walk in park, last time parliament was prorogued there was a civil war so not going to do that, backs HS2, Boris played right into party of the rich with first tax pledge. That getting into number 10 matters far more to Boris then Brexit

-Papers on debates and Boris refusing to back the UK ambassador, Mirror calling Boris a traitor, Brexit papers furious with Labour's new Brexit stance the National notes Scotland wasn't mentioned once in debate

-Corbyn says he has done an awful lot of listening and Labour is now party of choice on Brexit, will make push in September for second referendum, election policy will be decided on the circumstances of the time, Tory leaders taking us to Brexit extremes. Watson says he is happy with Labour's position up to election, Sir Stramer says it is hard to see Labour backing Leave at an election given they just backed Remain

-Lidington warns cabinet that all four nations of UK are considering independence and that will grow if no deal, Fed chief Jerome Powell lists Brexit as a economic danger to US, the nominated EU Commission head Ursula von der Leyen says she won't reopen talks and precious backstop must be protected

-Committee on Climate Change says government needs to get real, failing to cut emissions fast enough or adapt to rising heat or how to protect infrastructure from rising sea levels

-Williamson to remain suspended as new panel considers his case

-Concerns remain in Labour ranks at quickly defeat attempt to deselect the pregnant Ellie Reeves, Harman calls for a bar on such moves while an MP is pregnant or on maternity leave

-GDP grew a better then expected 0.3% over three months thanks to May econimic revival but a sense things are going deeply wrong

-Public Accounts Committee says Brexit ferry program was rushed and risky, costing taxpayers £85 million

-New Parliament Group: The Independents with Heidi Allen, Berger, Woodcock, Shuker and Angela Smith

-Andy McDonald attacks Panorama journalist due to history before the program goes out. Labour issue formal complaint before program goes out, saying questios were not fair and balanced, wasn't a great amount of engagement, Panorama had made up mind before investigation was done. Momentum launches full on attack on journalist John Ware, a figure Corbyn once praised as a vigilante journalist, BBC says Labour given every chance to respond to allegations and Labour is attacking a programme they haven't actually seen then sets out what it is about: Labour and anti-Semitism involving Labour staffers talking on the record (the ones Labour are hitting with NDA's, the gagging clauses that Labour want banned) and accusing Corbyn staffers of interfering with investigation

As well as Corbyn's past praise for a journalist that is now wicked and biased, the condemn before seeing it, the "line to take" (throw focus on Tories and Islapmhobia, saturate social media with how Corbyn has opposed anti-Semitism, keep calm, don't criticize Panroma for investigating or raising issue, don't criticize Labour right and Watson as plays into their hands, don't respond to those who disagree, concentrate on getting message out) leaking not helping Labour.

-Independent inquiry finds Lords staffed bullied and harassed with a bad culture

-BBC looks set to pull a QT special of two leaders because one (Hunt very quickly says not him) didn't like the way audience was going to be set up.

Did Boris check with his lord and master before making that objection?

-Downing Street says they will deliver the abortion and same sex marriage to N.Ireland

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-Lord Falconer now swayed to need for independent process when it comes to Labour and anti-Semitism speed of Campbell's expulsion vs the slow pace of Williamson and Peter Willsman raises concerns. Later says party seems to be in denial and thinks they don't take it seriously as they see it as a factional issue, doesn't think Corbyn himself is anti-Semitic, use of NDA's is like a businessman covering up abuse

-Sir Major says he would seek judicial review on any attempt to prorogue parliament (Lord Falconer thinks might work), proroguing parliament not done since King Charles 1st (others argue Major did it by calling election to avoid cash for access scandal questions) and no serious democrat would do it, would keep Sir Darroch and foreign service had seen Boris throw a senior diplomat to the wolves

-Jo Coburn tore Andy McDonald on Labour's "we oppose NDA's unless using it to suppress complaints of anti-Semitism in Labour"

-Brexit MEP Robert Rowland attacks Lammy by suggesting the Harvard educated MP doesn't understand economics and needs to take a 3 year course at a US... think tank. Not a university. In a US system that requires 4 years.

-Boles "Boris Johnson isn’t even PM yet and he is already responsible for a grievous blow to the UK’s international reputation. By refusing to back Kim Darroch in the face of bullying by President Trump, he made his resignation inevitable.The British people can now see that Boris Johnson will be Donald Trump’s poodle, that his response to any command from the White House will be: “How high, Mr President?”

Boris Johnson sold Brexit to the British people as the way to regain our independence and to restore our national pride. Instead he is ushering in a craven subjugation to the narcissistic whims of a right wing nationalist US President."

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-Leo McKinstrey (sun) rails against Labour backing Remain

-Jayne McCormack impact on N.Ireland parties of N.Ireland bill amendments

-BBC reality checks debate claims

-O'Grady bemoans Sir Dannoch going

-Freedland praises Major but will not stop Brexit hardliners
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:45 pm

Been a dark dark day for UK, when Commons bullying and harassment report is sadly going to be overlooked due to other problems, you know it is bad. I worry this will mean the problems found in Commons and Lords attitudes and structures will not get fixed as won't be pressure needed.

Chief Rabbi says Labour is directly complicit in anti-Semitism, Boris still unpopular, Brexit, Lords and Commons both found to be a bullying harassing place with few safeguards
-Panorama: Former staffers alleged backlog of over 1,000 cases with only 15 expulsions (Gwynne argues 14 is only because lots of ongoing cases and some left rather then be expelled), Milne accused officials of "muddling up political disputes with racism" and wanted review, laughed at advice and allegations that General Secretary Jennie Formby tried to interfere in Jackie Walker case (leaked email on that one but Labour supporters argues it was misquoted in as damaging a way as possible) while her staff intervened to downgraded punishments to slaps on wrist, allegations Corbyn office tried to have some cases brought to them (on this Labour argues this is normal secondment when more staff were needed) and were obstructive. Labour (who sent statements but nobody out to bat) deny these allegations including the numbers and says former staffers were disaffected and were anti-Corbyn so can't be trusted. Former Labour Head of complaints Sam Mathews then spoke to the Jewish Chronicle, Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis says Labour leadership is directly complicit in anti-Semitism with Labour leadership talking much but doing little about it

Ruth Smeeth calls it heartbreaking, Lord Falconer calls it hair-raising, Watson who calls for auto-expulsion says he is shocked and appalled while Labour wrong to attack former staffers and there is a feeling Labour has a culture of almost permissiveness to anti-Semitism which only Corbyn can fix. Jess Philips says worse then she expected, Tulip Siddiq says trust is at an all time low, Nandy knows some of the staffers and condemns the attack on them by Labour, plenty condemning the attempts to gag the whistleblowers. Thornberry says no use blaming anyone else or trying to divert attention, Labour has failed and she is heart-broken, this should have been rooted out long ago

Darren Jones "The morning after #Panorama. In literally ANY other organisation, we’d have the CEO on the TV apologising. People would be fired. Failed processes would be immediately changed." Baroness Thorton "Stop trying to spin your way out of this terrible mess. Stop pretending @UKLabour has behaved with integrity combating antisemitism. It is to our shame that we are subject to an EHRC investigation and have lost the trust of the Jewish community. Concentrate on that mess.", Mann "8 brave and honest former Labour staff members and a host of inspiration young Jewish members have shown tonight all the decency and courage that represents the true values of the Labour Party #Panorama #Heros"

Sheerman calls the program unbalanced and biased, Jewish Voice for Labour (not the Chief Rabbi or the Jewish Labour Movement) "BBC 'exposé' of @UKLabour antisemitism is low quality journalism. A farrago of half-truths, distortions and outright invention. A grossly simplified and distorted picture of Labour’s travails with allegations of antisemitism."

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-Papers on Boris ambassador row and who should select it, anti-Semitism

-A debate going on if May should push through Sir Darroch's replacement or let her successor choose with Boris team franticly briefing against May picking and Dr Lewis (Boris backer) fearing May may reward a loyal inner circle figure. Tugenhadt "Leaders stand up for their men. They encourage them to try and defend them when they fail.", Lidington warns morale has plummeted since Sir Darroch leaks, shadow McInnes "It was the most craven and despicable act of cowardice I have seen from any candidate for public office, let alone from someone running to be prime minister.". McFadden warns Sir Darroch's resignation was a dark day for UK democracy, Boris appallingly abandoning a civil servant for doing his job, we do not need a civil service of true belivers and fear this is part a further attack on the independence of our institutions

Normally I would say delay for new PM but for the sake of the country and the civil service, she should push it through, Boris can not be trusted with such an appointment

-Sir Stramer, before documentary, says three peers who resigned were not alone and Labour has a duty to tackle anti-Semitism, up to Labour to make changes to win confidence back, would back automatic expulsion for clear anti-Semitism, Labour should throw open books to ECHR and ask for help

-Boris team says Boris talked to Sir Darroch to express sympathy and support and that the diplomat denied resignation was due to Boris, they also call Sir Major competently mad (that feels highly inappropriate). Boris then comes out and says he can't believe he is being blamed for this and is a great supporter "of Kim's", argues he voiced support for the ambassador (no, no he didn't) though Boris may have been unwise to joke "And I say furthermore that if Donald Trump can make friends with Kim Jong Un, then he can make friends with Kim Dar-roch"

-Report into Lords bullying makes 19 recommendations to help change the damaging and deferential culture while giving staff protection

-Ursula von der Leyen says she still hopes UK decides to stop Brexit, May's deal is a good one and tone of Tory leadership candidates matter. Bank of England says banks strong enough to cope with disorderly Brexit and trade war but finical services and stock market would be turbulent if disorderly Brexit, pound being hit. Carney warns Europe needs to do more on finical links for Brexit, exporters in UK need to do more work, need to do more creating capacity and infrastructure for Britain’s new trade relations with the EU concerned at EU not pledging to recognize UK data laws

-Committee on Climate Change chair Lord Deben compares government handling of climate change to Dad's Army, Bank of England stress testing on climate emergency

-Carney warns about open-ended funds on global finical stability

-Independent report in Commons bullying, like the Lords, finds staff subject to bullying and sexual harassment, recent attempts on the issue has not been near enough and complaining is felt, by staff, to be career suicide, few MP's or staffers attend voluntary training, MP's must be forced to adopt common employment practises, staff are constantly demeaned and humiliated in public, unacceptable level of sexist banter and parliamentary community does little against those known regularly to offend

-Hunt says Iran's attempt to seize tanker shows our navy has been run down too much

-ConHome latest polling, with 71% claiming they have already voted, has Boris leading 72% to 28%

-Chris Philip says Sir Major's threat of judicial review is a stunt

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-Gavin Stamp on ambassador row impact on Tory race

-John Ashmore calls for embrace of immigrant entrepreneurs

-Guardian gather a panel to discuss the documentary
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:45 am

The two leaders face Andrew Neill at 7pm tonight on BBC1
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:33 am

Johnson's behaviour in regards to Darroch is disgraceful. I don't understand how this clown is in the running to be a PM. Between him and Corbyn I think the next election will be between the worst candidates in British history. #BringbackEden
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:59 pm

Sun Fin wrote:Johnson's behaviour in regards to Darroch is disgraceful. I don't understand how this clown is in the running to be a PM. Between him and Corbyn I think the next election will be between the worst candidates in British history. #BringbackEden


Bring back Lord North.

Or the tub of lard and Peppa the Pig, those fine political stand in's.

I really think Tories are in for a big surprise at election when they try "Corbyn is a threat of national security" (not something I agree with but an old attack line). Even if you believe Corbyn's lack of competence and idealogical leanings would harm our security, none of that is proven, it is an assertion based on how you think things would unfold. Labour can actually point to two occasions where Boris harmed the nation to appease another or got a British national in deep deep trouble

Watson vs Labour's General Secterary Formby, Rudd changes on no deal
-Alan Duncan grateful for Labour's support for Sir Darroch and passes on Sir Darroch's thanks, says unlikely leak came from a hack. Boris says both he and Trump could be more diplomatic

-Bercow rules Dawn Butler saying there is potential of a casual racist and misogynist is about to enter number 10 is within rules, Mordaunt says it is one thing for Labour frontbench to be incompetent on anti-Semitism, it is another to be directly complicit as Labour are

-Boris and Hunt pledge a veterans minister

-Papers on all sorts of stories, bullying report gets a few headlines

- Jennie Formby accuses Watson of being irresponsible with comments about anti-Semitism and spreading fear among Jewish communities (I mean Labour staffers in documentary, Corbyn's history, Labour's recent history while the chief rabbi, Jewish Chronicle and British Board of deputies warning Jewish communities might have raised concerns before Watson...), of denigrating progress that had been made. Watson asks for Labour's submission to ECHR to be published but Formby says she has offered to show it to him and he is traducing her reputation.

Abbott says Watson is very wrong to question way Formby has handled things, McDonnell says complaints procedure has improved dramatically and current staff have complained to BBC about the program, Dawn Butler says they must acknowledge the hurt being felt by Jews and build bridges.

-May sets up Office for Tackling Injustices to monitor and help with social justice, Rudd orders view into benefit treatment of terminally ill

-Coroner says the late Carl Sargeant was not given sufficient support, despite known mental health issues, when sacked.

-Rudd switching to accepting no deal might happen rather then opposing well noted though Clark continues to argue no deal would cost many thousands of jobs

-May says, with hindsight, she should have done more to stop polarization between soft and hard Brexiteers

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-Chalk uses Morse code to wish GCHQ a happy Birthday

-Sebastian Whale profile/interviews Ken Clarke

-Tommy Robinson jailed for nine months for contempt of court with his supporters harassing journalists outside court

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-Kate Matlby reports show Westminster culture has to change

-D'Arcy chances of big Tory revolts
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:57 am

Counter-terrorism division of Met police have taken charge of the ambassador leak investigation

On the Andrew Neill Interviews

Andrew Neill and BBC: Two half hour interviews in front of a pale blue set that made the candidates look odd. Andrew Neill is one of the great interviewers of our day and he was very effectiveness, he knew the stuff he wanted to go for, not always the obvious ones, tested their stances and detail, assertive though possibly too assertive as I felt he pressed Boris even when Boris was answering question. Near the end of the Boris one, he slightly flagged with mistaken pronunciations and so on, I do question BBC timing of doing this on same day as Kuessenberg interview with May. A sense Neill did really well but no headline or game changing moments

Hunt: Had a difficult time, his Brexit stance was tested and it will repeat the suspicions of Tories of having another Remainer PM, I don't think Hunt managed to shrug off the May mark 2 remark or not being able to commit to Brexit by Christmas or that basically his objection is just backstop to May's deal. He did set out a plan, his team to have one formed by August then get deal more or less done by end of September (though questionable how realistic that is) and October would be to get it through Parliament and would make Commons sit at weekends to do it

On economy Neill raised questions about how effective Hunt's mini stimulus would actually be and how real are the Trump/Ireland comparisons. Hunt at least came across the detail and was able to make decent arguments about why he would be patient with Brexit, why he does feel no deal is a really really bad idea but one he is obliged to do (reasonable but surely fatal for his minimum hopes), why he feels the stimulus is a right way and that yes his plans would be pushed back if no deal. Didn't manage to build a positive case for why to vote for him but avoided critical damage

Boris Got visibly annoyed at his host, admitted Sir Darroch resigned due to what he had been told Boris said with Boris saying his words had been misrepresented by whoever told Sir Darroch (amazing how many times a communicator like Boris, his jobs of journalist and politics requiring communication, has been misunderstood in last 6 moths), Neill had limited success on Iran. Neill drilled Boris on the details again and again and again, that he had done worse then rest of country with crime when London Mayor, that Boris hadn't seemed to have read the Gaat treaty he has kept quoting including the exact next clause after the one he keeps quoting, he didn't know the second golden fiscal rule of his own party. Boris vague answers on details did not look great but claimed EU had new determination to get deal done
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