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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:42 pm

-Government loses contempt motion by 4 votes , 311vs307, then Ministers in contempt by 18, 311v293 despite some filibustering to allow whips to try to try to persuade their own ranks, though not clear who will actually pay the price. Government has asked Privileges Committee for an inquiry into how Humble Addresses are used while Leadsom has promised full legal advice will be published.

If Cox is going to be expelled for contempt, it won't be without a fight. It was a charismatic, well argued and thoughtful performance the night before the contempt vote while giving what seemed honest thoughts about the deal but he may be punished for things beyond his legal decision, even those who disagree with him are praising his display

-It got worse for May as revolts see Grieve's buisness motion defeat government giving MP's right to vote on plan B in January if May's deal fails by 22, 321vs299 with some surprise at loyalists like Sir Letwin and Fallon joining the revolt

-Grayling under pressure after Transport Select Committee blames him for rail chaos and lack of leadership, demands reform

-Hinds urges universities to do more to help students mental health

-May says UK can do trade deals after Brexit

-Corbyn says Trump rejected May's Brexit deal due to America First and May's vague assumptions, she has offered nothing about warm wards about Yemen and not been robust with Saudi's

-Ofsted unhappy at 4,000 children not receiving special needs education they are entitled to

- Science and Technology Committee says society concern and teacher concerns may be enough to justify ban on energy drinks to children after government scientists say there isn't enough scientific evidence to justify ban

-Advocate General Manuel Campos Sánchez-Bordona saying article 50 can be pulled unilaterally but only if parliament votes for it, it is not binding however and European Court can go the other way. Been warmly welcomed by second referendum camp

-Carney, before Treasury Committee, comes out swinging. Says no Brexit deal scenario is low probability, criticism for releasing it to public is unfair as had obligation to parliament and public though criticisms about modelling is fair though he feels the assumptions they made are grounded and a lot of people worked hard on it, reminds MP's they asked for such work to be released. Norway option would be highly undesirable for finical services as would be rule taker with no say, bad Brexit would see food bills rise, people have been better off since Carney took office but they may not feel it. Ports are not ready for WTO and is dismissive of the idea that we could just not apply the rules for a spell (and remarks spending 5 minutes with those involved in port and logistics would learn this), pound has not yet factored in for disorderly Brexit. The most hit areas of country will be “food and agriculture”, “chemicals and pharmaceuticals”, “cars and transport”, and “construction", waving tariffs may work for some products UK can't get otherwise but otherwise will hamper changes of trade deals, business investment 16% below exceptions before referendum but deal may help bring some of that back. Analysis was used by those in media with other agenda's

Deputy Ben Broadband says more disruptive Brexit is, more pound will fall, deputy Jon Cunliffe says Norway option would be uncomfortable as our finical services are rather larger then Norway's

-Grayling says deal isn't perfect but he would have taken it before the referendum

-BBC and ITV continued to prepare for Brexit debate, still unsure who will host it so Labour has tried an ultimatum at which point BBC decided to pull out. May hasn't said if she wll do ITV debate but accuses Corbyn of avoiding proper scrutiny

-OBR feels it's Brexit forecasts were reasonably accurate

-Tory activists and local parties are refusing to deliver leaflets defending May's Brexit deal or even collect them

-Sinn Feinn accuses DUP of ignoring N.Ireland views on Brexit

-Embassy opened in Maldives

-May says Brexit arguments have gone on long enough, is being corrosive and life is about compromise, don't let perfect Brexit dream prevent a good Brexit and promises a greater say for MP's in second stage of Brexit talks

-Farage has resigned from UKIP, will be a blow to morale and image of party as know to feel the party is going too hard right

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-Calais MP Pierre-Henri Dumont says hard or chaotic Brexit would make illegal migration into UK worse due to queues at border checks

-Toyata back May's deal and says no deal would be hugely expensive and disruptive for months, they have stockpiles for four hours so any issue at borders will stop production which is worth £10 million a day, would move production of new Coralla to Belgium if no deal

-Mann says Rees-Mogg attacking Carney for providing requested analysis to MP's is contemptuous of parliament

-Grieve says Advocate General's advice removes one argument against referendum (the "they wouldn't allow us to revoke article 50")

-Dorries warns Sir Stramer that he could regret his actions on contempt of parliament

-Sir Grieve says contempt motion shows Commons ability to hold government to account is outdated and involves blunt instruments

-Baker defends Carney as having done a dreary duty though questions the timing of said report

-Lord King says Bank of England Brexit analysis doesn't stand scrutiny and compares May's deal to Chamberlain's appeasement and if choice between vassalage or revolt, country will go into rage

-Rees-Mogg says humble address needs to be reformed

-Ken Clarke says both front benches have let down Commons and should have sorted out the legal papers row

-Bryant defends Cox as an honourable man who should not be under contempt

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-Behr feels all sides in Brexit debates dodging around the real issues

-Nick Dearden welcomes Gardiner trade reforms

-Robert Peston on Grieve amendment
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:07 pm

-Cox looked miserable when contempt passed while 3 defeats in 63 minutes for May is doing the rounds.

-Leadsom remarks that Bercow didn't call up a single woman from government benches during a certain point of debate. In the morning after, points out Parliament can't block a no deal, feels the contempt motion has damaged future governments to get frank legal advice, May right leader "at the moment"

-Express did not like Brexit vote results last night

-Reeves and Pawsey small business need more help

-National Audit Office slams Home Office process and decision making that led to Windrush deportations and is not doing enough

-Economic Affairs Committee says powers given to HMRC undermine rule of law due to lack of safe guards, they want a review into it's oversight

-Blackford accuses May of misleading the Commons at PMQ's, Bercow rebukes him and Blackford full well knows he is not fulling the spirit of the instructions when he stands up.

-Baroness Chakrabarti says Labour might extend article 50

-Youguv has it's widest gap on it's monthly surveys on "we voted wrong on referendum" with 11% now saying we made the wrong choice (49% vs 38%)

-Historian Chris Skidmore becomes university ministry

-Dr Fox accuses Commons of trying to steal Brexit from public, referendum was an instruction and not a consulate, feels backstop reassures the moderate unionists in N.Ireland

-Published legal papers show Cox warned backstop could last indefinitely and UK can't leave unilaterally. Confirming what we know basically

-PMQ's lasted 53 minutes, third longest in a decade

-DUP says legal advice shows backstop would be economically mad and could get N.Ireland stuck there

-Hammond tells Treasury Committee Spring Statement will be before Brexit, backstop wouldn't last forever, small econimic hit of May's deal worth it due to anger, division and feeling of betrayal if no Brexit at all would be far worse, bilateral border arrangements with individual EU countries has been patchy as some more cooperative then others, says planning alone and seeking permissions for said plans could take Dover nearly two years in no deal Brexit. Unable to get passporting for UK banks but hoping a large embassy in Brussels can influence finical service debates there, UK really needs to move on from Brexit or will be catastrophic, no deal would require a 1980's style economic adjustment.

No deal would put UK in uncharted waters, if May deal loses then will have to look at other options, Bank of England would tighten monetary policy during no deal with Treasury having to provide the fiscal response but warns debt means Treasury has limited ability to do that, agrees with Carney that UK abolishing tariffs has a trading downside and would do nothing to stop food prices soaring (Bank of England has warned might be as much as 10% food price hike).

-Javid hoping for immigration white paper to be out by end of year, warns no deal would mean some indefinite loss of security and operational disruption

-Archbishop Welby wants national reconciliation on Brexit and second referendum might be required for that but only if Parliament fails

-Lords EU Committee warns joint Committee between EU and UK seems too secretive

-Welsh and Scottish parliaments vote against May's deal


-Julian Smith meets ERG

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-Boris got a fair bit of attack from Tory MP's during his Brexit speech

-Lord Laming dead parrots the train problems

-Remainer Gapes against Norway option

-Lavery says government in office and not in power

-Mark Harper to vote against deal as breaches manifesto and damages integrity of UK, says May will lose vote and even if she wins DUP will refuse to support so majority is gone

-Farage says Batten is creating an image that will be used against Brexit for years to come and accuses him of trying to start a religious crusade, Batten says when UKIP needed rescue from finical crises Farage did nothing while he stepped up

-Raab says only legislation can stop a no deal Brexit

-Greening says she won't back a no confidence vote in a bid to get second referendum and referendum will only happen if a leader is willing to do it

-Sir Letwin thinks Norway plus has majority support

-Gymiah fears UK would have to pay whatever EU wanted to get out of backstop and every big issue kicked into long grass

-Sir Fallon says backstop needs a fixed end date

-Brexiteer Sir Swayne says game is up for Brexiteers after Sir Grieve amendment passes

-Nigel Evans warns a Remain parliament in a Leave country mustn't be seen to ignore will of people

-Lord Howard to vote against May deal

-Boris says EU have been predatory on N.Ireland and finely balanced on if to leave on May's deal

-Rees-Mogg believes DUP back May in no confidence vote if deal fails but won't if deal succeeds

-McCluskey warns second referendum would have severe repercussions

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-Kuessenebrg says Grieve defeat may help May and parliament may have taken control but it doesn't solve the chaos

-Goodman feels last night strengthened May a little and Remain a lot

-Katya Adler on EU reaction to UK's Brexit debate

-D'Ancona May is in danger as support vanishes but parliament needs to justify it's seizing of power

-Gisela Stuart feels MPs not doing their jobs on Brexit

-Peter Foster EU won't renegotiate backstop
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Han » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:12 am

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Han wrote:Has your stance on brexit change since the last time we spoke about it? As in, are you pro-Eu or pro-Brexit. And what do you think will be the long term implications depending of staying and leaving the EU? Specifically when it comes to the UK relationship with Ireland, Germany, France and Russia.


Still think it is a disaster to Brexit. I would love a revote and to Remain in an ideal world but realistically I don't think it should happen unless public demand a revote or a vote on deal with options becuase, like Sun Fin, I think the backlash on the vote, a divisive referendum (and Remain camapign seems to have learnt no lessons so could blow it) won't help anything. If people switched to Remain, the "betrayal" narrative will grow stronger and stronger even among those who would be quietly relieved in the initial aftermath.

Our once strong relations with Ireland has deteriorated and I think that will continue to be bad. Maybe not at the highest levels but Ireland is feeling a tad insulted by "the border issue is a lie" thrown out by senior Brexiteers and there will be disagreements how to handle N.Ireland. If Ireland unifies, expects senior figures in UK to hate Ireland. As UK's one land border with EU, a lot of tensions

Germany: Will still be friends but more distant due to not being n EU so not meeting them at ministeral level so often. If we keep our heads, things should be good

As long as we don't keep trying to deal with our problems by mentioning WW2 and nobody senior starts making Hitler comparisons when we have disagreement with EU. That is always a potential problem with us, we kind of see Germany's hand in everything EU does and WW2 comes up way too much as it is.

France: If the French flee London, that will weaken cultural ties alongside the distancing due to not being in EU meetings though we tended to disagree with them. With Calais/Dover being key borders, there is room for things to deteriorate fast (the Calais camps could be a source of tension as it was but both sides usually cooperated) with disputes on border matters. President Macron has indicated strong tactics on fishing so will be short term (couple of years) clashes there during trade talks

Russia: Is bad, will still be bad


Hey, thanks for your time once again! But with Russia, is it just a dislike due to their human rights violations like with USA and China or is there also a historical/cultural/geopolitical reason behind the mistrust?
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:57 pm

Han wrote:
Hey, thanks for your time once again! But with Russia, is it just a dislike due to their human rights violations like with USA and China or is there also a historical/cultural/geopolitical reason behind the mistrust?


No problem

You do get some of it from cultural (LGBT rights and so on), very much hangovers from the Cold War (as I understand it, also Russia blames USA and UK for what followed when Soviet Union collapsed) so there tends to be a natural suspicion when there are clashes like Syria or Ukraine. UK has accused Russia of assassinations of Russian dissidents on UK soil and a chemical attack on UK soil in very recent times so that really hasn't helped matters
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:05 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:
Han wrote:
Hey, thanks for your time once again! But with Russia, is it just a dislike due to their human rights violations like with USA and China or is there also a historical/cultural/geopolitical reason behind the mistrust?


No problem

You do get some of it from cultural (LGBT rights and so on), very much hangovers from the Cold War (as I understand it, also Russia blames USA and UK for what followed when Soviet Union collapsed) so there tends to be a natural suspicion when there are clashes like Syria or Ukraine. UK has accused Russia of assassinations of Russian dissidents on UK soil and a chemical attack on UK soil in very recent times so that really hasn't helped matters


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-Privy Councillors invited to briefing by cabinet office on consequences of no deal

-Dr Fox says EU's dislike of the backstop is stronger then he expected

-Telegraph saying EU is willing to delay Brexit if May loses vote, Times says cabinet led by Williamson is urging May to delay vote but May is playing that down, Daily Star declares itself a Brexit free zone, Sun warns of a Remainer plot

-Rumours May and whips willing to give MP's a say when backstop comes in (would EU agree to that?)

-Dodds and Rees-Mogg have met

-Chris Morris reality checks Brexit legal advice

-Dodds says it would be illogical for DUP to defeat deal as they want then try to oust PM

-A few people I know are complaining we never got a say on this Brexit business and think only referendum was Scottish one

-Commons releases Facebook papers and emails about data collection

-Council funding announcement postponed due to Brexit debates. Doubt councils are happy

-A feeling Corbyn got his tactics wrong at PMQ's given how under pressure May was over Brexit

-Met Office says chances of heatwave at any given year has risen to 12% thanks to climate change

-May says up to her opponents to come up with plan B, second referendumers are opposed to Brexit, exploring if parliament might prefer to extend transition and have a say on that (journalists don't think this will appease MP's), her Today interview generally seen as going badly with Maybot and too technical

-Boris ordered to apologize to Commons for not declaring outside payments on time, nine late declarations (most involving book royalties)

-Mundell has admitted he dropped threat to resign to shore up May's position and sees no deal as far worse fate of UK integrity then the backstop

-Hammond says it is a delusion to think talks can be reopened at 11th hour while Labour's attempts to get all the EU benefits is also deluded, country needs to move on and UK can not afford the econimic damage of no deal or the costs to society of a second referendum.

-McDonnell seems to admit there would need to be a backstop for Labour's plan, just it is less likely to be used

-Barclay says Brexit department considering how to help those kicked out of EU countries if no deal

-Stephen Lloyd resigns as Lib Dem, will sit as independent so he can vote for May's deal as he promised Eastbourne at election, had felt it become a distracting issue for the party though will remain a member. Lib Dem leadership have accepted his reasons with grace and I suspect after discreet interval, he will return

-Mike Drakeford becomes Welsh Labour leader and in effect, First Minister. Was favourite given Momentum, union and so on backing though Vaughan Gefting did better then expected. An experienced politician who backed Corbyn from start but the Finance Minister (or former now) indicated he a bridge to the next generation and won't be leader for a long spell

-Youguv used their successful polling method of the last election to do referendum, Remain won with 46% if offered all three but in head to head's it was equal with May's deal

-Sir Brady calls for Brexit vote to be postponed till more clarity on how UK can leave backstop

-Lord Trimble, one of the architects of Good Friday Agreement, says May's deal would have perverse effects on N.Ireland and has to go as backstop could haunt for generations, he blames this utterly on EU reprisals

-Julian Smith allowed ITV to film him trying to whip Philip Davies to back deal. Not sure why Smith thought that would be a good idea on so many levels...

-ITV scrap TV debate, Labour noting May avoided the head to head version and accuse of running scared as she did during the election

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-Sammy Wilson says backstop will be used as cudgel in talks and border is a mythical problem

-Boris says backstop isn't needed as nobody wants hard border, isn't essential so can just be dropped (EU might object to that), stopping us getting deal we really want

-Sir Fallon says it is a gamble too far to agree to EU rules for two more years without knowing what we will get

-Mayor Khan wants article 50 withdrawn if May loses vote

-David Morris asks McDonnell if Labour can just back May's deal so they can get on with their lives

-Blair says parliament has become shadow government for which he is grateful (he has not always been the biggest fan of parliament)

-Sandbach who had rebelled on meaningful vote will back May's deal

-Press having a bit of fun as May does the Christmas Lights at Downing Street and sings Come All Ye Faithful

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-BBC podcast with power in politics which is about how MP's are viewed vs reality

-Kuessenberg May struggling to find allies

-Kettle on a new confident parliament but facing many paradox's

-Mark Wallace suspects Brexit rebel numbers have been exaggerated and sets out own numbers
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Han » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:46 pm

I see, that makes a lot of sense now that I thing about it a little more. Thanks for your time once again!
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:06 pm

-Not much push on Boris, probably fits the feeling that he is careless on detail and nobody thinks Boris was anything rather then lax

-Sheerman apologies in public and private for using the term flounced about Leadsom which he hadn't realized was sexist (neither did I), she accepts it with grace and jokingly shows off her flounce.

-Tom Watson welcomes betting companies ending adverts during sports events

-Cabinet said to be frustrated as May ignores them on their plans for what to do now clear May will lose Brexit vote

-Simon Stevens in row with ministers and Downing Street over what improvement there will be with long term plan

-Javid and Leadsom doing joint Christmas drinks which has led to joint leadership bid

-All sides dismissing May's "maybe a vote on backstop" option ass utterly cosmetic

-30 Ministers being sent out today to sell deal

-Channel 4 doing Brexit debate but not with party leaders

-Government working on new charter to ensure disabled travellers are less shafted by airlines and airports

-Corbyn May's deal is bad, give mine a try

-Hancock says if no deal, planes could be used to bring in medicine and shipments given priority at port (other industries may not be happy), chemists could do some rationing, medical companies have to prepare for at least six months of chaos and delays at port if no deal so six week stockpile isn't going to be enough, rules out Brexit vote being delayed and no deal is the automatic end to Brexit

-McDonnell doesn't feel voters would feel betrayed by second referendum and he would vote Remain

-EU summit to have slot for May to address EU leaders

-Ipsi Mori poll has 60% think leaving on May's terms would be bad and only 25% good

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-Lord Kerr calls for article 50 to be extended for referendum

-Sebastian Whale interviews David Davis on Brexit

-Meg Hiller hammers Davis for condemning May's deal when he walked away from shaping the talks for the Brexit he had championed

-Paul Nuttall, former leader resigns from UKIP over Tommy Robinson who he fears put off moderate voters from Brexit. MEP David Coburn resigns saying he didn't join an anti-Islam and English nationalist party. In a bizaree moment, Batten is leaving UKIP's own group in Europe as Farage as it's head

-Fabricant sets out his view on May's deal

-Stephen Kinnock says 10 members of cabinet back Norway style Brexit

-Jo Johnson says Norway would make us a nation of lobbyists over rules which we would have no say

-People's Vote furious with Lib Dems for putting a second referendum amendment to Brexit bill as Remain camp had felt there was only going to get one shot to get parliament to agree and this was too early (Dr Woolostan had pulled hers for this reason)

-Some Brexiteers preparing for second referendum

-McVey says she was astonished rest of cabinet didn't back her on demands for May's deal to be put to cabinet vote and said those cabinet members had shirked accountability, accuses Jilian Smith of shouting her down

-Fiona Bruce is new head of Question Time and it's first female head

-Patel demands why we haven't used no deal Brexit threat to Ireland's food lines as a pressure point in talks

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-Henry Hill on N.Ireland unionists uniting on backstop

-Kuessenberg on May's attempts to compromise

-Emilio Casalicchio path that led to UKIP splits

-Simon Jenkins Norway only route forward

-Marina Hyde has not enjoyed the political week and worries it will get worse
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:34 pm

-Times saying there is cross party plan to oust May if she loses Brexit vote with Telegraph saying her cabinet will say she has to go with papers expecting resignations before vote, Sun calls Norway a non-Brexit.

-It does feel like there will be a real effort to oust May, we could be in for weeks of chaos.

-Rudd backs Norway plus if May deal fails but admits it might be impossible to actually do Norway plus, says people are hysterical about People's Vote and she has no issue with second referendum, would vote Remain again.

-D'Arcy's Week Ahead which may be very changeable

-Government analysis has Ireland suffering 7% GDP hit due to no-deal Brexit and food shortages, this is why Patel questioned why this information wasn't pressed to force a better deal. Been condemned in Ireland, N.Ireland and by likes of Nandy which has led to Patel saying it has been taken out of context.

-Lidington says there isn't a magic alternative to Brexit deal, since EU won't renegotiate said deal then voting it down either means no deal or remain

-Government backs Hugo Swire amendment to Brexit bill that would give devolved assemblies say on backstop and calling for trade talks to be finished a year after implementation period but it has not been met warmly by Commons

-Kent Council, which would bear the brunt of port and road issues, claims bodies and refuse may remain uncollected, food issues and children might miss exams/people miss hospital appointments due to gridlocked roads in a no deal. They also worry about lack of social care staff

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-Dent Coad calls for rollout of UC in Kensington to be delayed as she fears Grenfell survivors could be without income this Christmas

-Bridgen says government warnings of six months delays at port is project fear on steroids

-Greening says if Tories are obsessed by Brexit, they will lose middle England and with last landslide victory 31 years ago, party has to change

-Liz Kendall suspects referendum question risks being stitched up (or seen as) by parliament

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-Pienaar on plotting is underway

-Kettle says crunch time for Labour

-Forsyth (sun) on May's seemingly doomed weak, Norway plus won't fly in Commons, censure motion

-Brexiteer Geoff Norcott frustrated with how Remainers treat him and is worried by the consequences of Brexit being cancelled
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:38 pm

-PPS to the MOD Will Quince resigns as deal means obeying EU rules so she needs to reopen talks, not see as either a Remainer or a Brexiteer so risks being seen as people leaping away from a sinking regime.

-Gauke defends May's deal and sets out he disagrees with the other options proposed

-Grayling on Brexit

-Number 10 denies Sunday Times claim May will delay vote and go back to Brussels for last minute concessions, Sunday Telegraph saying Morduant might resign

-May warns rejection of deal would put UK in grave uncertainty and uncharted waters, plays the risk of no deal/no Brexit and Corbyn cards

-Brexit Committee says May's deal lacks clarity about future and is a step into the unknown with no real plans to long term serve the Irish issue, backstop would really hamper trade as would Canada style deal

-Rudd warns of chaos if May is defeated

-McDonnell urges people to march against Tommy Robinson's march

-UK agrees open skies with Canada

-Hancock has ordered NHS to stop buying fax machines and faze them out entirely by 31 March 2020.

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-Lord Mandelson warns against Norway route

-Boris (sun) urges MP's not to be so pessimistic as to vote for May's deal

-Rees-Mogg calls for May to go and suggests a joint ticket of Rudd and Boris to bring unity of both sides

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-Rawnsley believes May has no choice but to advance into defeat
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:30 pm

Cabinet really leaking vote will be delayed, not offical but May addressing Commons this afternoon. Unless Tusk and Varadker indicated major compromise, this seems a foolish move by May as she will lose whenever she holds vote
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