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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:39 pm

-Labour conference members asked to stop booing votes

-Rayner says Tories devolution is handing down the blame and not the budget

-If 3rd no Brexit papers release was to ensure it didn't get front pages, that worked.

-May seems to have persuaded cabinet to stick with her plan and hold their nerve

-Burgon says some Labour MP's are "unwavering and very vocal advocates of bombing".

-NEC chair Andy Kerr fully apologies for anti-Catholic joke (it felt good natured but just not a good idea) when chairing a conference debate, says aiming for light-hearted but "what I said was ill-judged and wrong."

-Cabinet agrees no immigration special treatment for EU migrants

-Sir Stramer says Labour will order MP's to vote against May's Brexit deal if it doesn't meet their tests, McDonnell's no remain option due to getting up early and later clarified, doesn't rule out extending article 50 but doesn't expect it, amazing Labour has achieved consensus on Brexit and compares it to Tories, would vote Remain. Seems to align with government on who gets preferred migration treatment, no deal would see pound fall, doesn't do Peirs Morgan interview which is unusual for conferences.

-Stramer's unscripted Remain option not ruled out line during speech getting a massive standing ovation has been extremely well noted

-McDonnell says universal credit likely to be scrapped by a future Labour government

-Labour suddenly pull having two deputy leaders with one male and one female to frustration of Cooper, a strong sense Corbyn's team realized a critic of his might win

-Watson says his choice not to have speaking session at conference, is a shame deputy leader reform was dropped, worried by likes of Field and Woodcock leaving party as needs to be broad-church

-I'm not sure Corbyn's team will like how much speculation (Rayne, Stramer, Thornberry's speeches) has been on his successor in speeches aftermath and I'm not sure why it has started

-Thornberry wants article 50 extended so Labour can do talks aka the grown ups and will be in their manifesto, says (very passionately) anti-Semitism is comparable to fascism (citing history) and they must fight it before they can fight other things, wants an end to abuse on social media and they must show strength of changing themselves, praises Blair for N.Ireland.

Corbyn can offer leadership on global affairs and would lead the world on "promoting human rights, in reforming the arms trade, in pursuing an end to conflict, in supporting not demonising refugees, and in turning the promise of a nuclear-free world from an impossible dream to a concrete goal.”". Bemoans trans debate has got too aggressive and is relaxed with them being on all woman shortlists

Some felt elements of it like '¡No pasarán! but others loved her willingness to stand up to all sides, her eloquence and power

-Corbyn refuses to say which way he would vote in second referendum, says Stramer's line was agreed by party (unlikely given it wasn't in the speech handed to press), defends going on Press TV but says he left them due to treatment of opposition, plans to keep going till job is done

-Abbott argues law and order isn't a Tory issue and warns government hasn't taken a single measure to prevent a second Grenfell, would require the police to get judicial warrants for undercover policing operations,

-Long-Bailey proposes to save high streets via ban ATM charges and stop Post Office and bank branch closures., provide free bus travel for under 25s, free public Wi-Fi in town centres, a register of landlords of empty shops in each local authority, annual revaluations of rates, exempt new plant and machinery from revaluations and other rate measures

-Carwyn Jones think Remain option on a second referendum is likely

-Labour's Brexit composite motion easily passes conference

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-Andrew Murray promises mass protests if deep state stops Corbyn taking power

-Lammy says second referendum without a remain option would be a farce

-Clive Lewis urges Umunna to unite behind Corbyn which is fine, spreading rumours he is talking to other parties is dirty. Being called a racist party has been damaging but feels they have turned a corner and that Corbyn has done all he can on anti-Semitism

-Dame Hodge on skipping conference and anti-Semitism

-Lord Adonis accuses Stramer of being ambiguous in his Brexit and immigration answers

-Dave Prentis of Unison says dark days of New Labour are gone. Doesn't like winning elections?

-Next announces no deal prep

-Lord Dubs feels government hasn't honoured their word or spirit of his amendment for child refugees

-Mark Francois warns May that Europeon Research group would not vote for any Brexit deal based around Chequers

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-Simon Jack on Labour's share plans

-Nicholas Watt on People's Vote is starting to have a political impact

-Toynbee impressed by McDonnell, Tim Montgomery (sun) worried by Tories by how much he agreed with McDonnell

-Behr on Corbyn's attitude to Brexit

-Joe Watts with details of Labour's Brexit composting meeting

-Chris Morris reality checks Labour's Brexit stance

-Kettle on Stramer's speech
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:39 pm

Corbyn's speech: Released before hand was the very green side, target of 60% of energy to come from low carbon or renewable sources by 2030, and expanding free childcare to 30 hours with extra offered via means-tested costs funded by extra taxes on richest, establishment failed to fix things after greed led to crash. General rule of thumb with Corbyn has been he is uncomfortable with conference speeches but not this time, he looked confident and at home, jokes were decent enough, he was passionate and delivered his lines well (bar a slight sense he could be a little uncertain of what was next so lose deliver a few times). Though minus points for his much he was clearly loving the adulation, it is a bad look and delays start of an hour's speech which I don't appreciate.

His thanks including a nice touch of speaking in his wife's native tongue but then went too triumphalist in tone as he got to the Labour general secretary and Labour's record in last year. Refocused as he touched on Peterloo with nice jokes and connections to know, carefully balanced media bashing with recognition of the importance of a free press around world while accusing ours of abusing it, called for unity and an end of abuse including from his own side, with anti-Semitism he started well and with passion but it seemed to turn into "but we are the good guys so come on over" and what-abouttery. He then went onto a lot of different subjects that felt like "Tories and privatization bad, we good" (his attacks on Tories were generally weak) with some good use of people's stories but often jumping about from things like immigration to NHS to disabled to police.

When Corbyn got onto old age, it began to stick. Corbyn lavished praise and bribes on key voting demographic then linked it onto other things, he segued well as he talked of the global crash and culture of greed (a slight dispute if attacking Brown, I suspect he isn't) and how it has damaged everything, workers on boards but also balancing out with "look I'm pro-business" measures, he talked strongly of climate change, had a fairly big segment of foreign policy (fair play, an area that too often gets ignored) where he acknowledged Russia's role in Salisbury but might have done better to have balanced amount of time he spent on that (1 or 2 lines) vs his attacks on Trump right next to it (rather more), commits to recognizing Palestine as a state. On Brexit very careful to say twice they respect the referendum, he would bring in Brexit and would even back May's deal if it is a Labour style Brexit but his objections is demanding a different type of Brexit

I think the combining theme is solidarity because he said it a lot but he didn't do a good job combining into one thing. Felt like a speech that generally appealed to those already converted, there were bits (like old age) for those who aren't but it is about balancing out how much time on spends and I don't think he spent enough. I tend to find McDonnell's speeches better but Corbyn carried this by charisma, passionate and confidence. Labour should run with "The Tory Brexiteers unite the politics of the 1950s with the economics of the 19th century, daydreaming about a Britannia that both rules the waves and waives the rules." Press generally impressed and some note his proposed stay in customs union is where some in EU and Westminster circles expect Brexit to end up, a feeling May will need to up her game. CBI cautiously welcoming but ask to be invited into the tent and warns leadership lacks business experience to know what works in practise

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- Budget on 29th October, first Monday budget since 1962 under Selwyn Lloyd apparently

-Israeli ambassador Mark Regev popped over to Labour conference and mention ‘When self-proclaimed anti-racists…claim that we Zionists do not know history, ironically…it is they who have not studied history or learnt from it’

-Note to Labour, Scottish Labour leader isn't John Healey

-Tom Watson got a strong reception at Labour Friends of Israel "We have an obligation to rid this party of anti Semitism. I recognise the hurt that has been caused. I recognise the pain that has been thrust upon our friends in the Jewish community. I know how failing to tackle a problem risks bringing eternal shame. I just hope that we can do what we can to rebuild that trust and confidence. And I know with people like Joan Ryan chairing this organisation – hounded out by people that have only just joined the Labour party. I know that journey will be long but I tell you we will do everything we can to rebuild that trust." probably didn't hurt

Watson blames hard left for failure to have female deputy

-May to pledge lowest corporate tax rate in G20 to US audience, migration must be cut but not in way that damages economy and ending free movement has to happen, warns UN N.Korea must remain strictly imposed as part of an effort to keep hold of international order on nuclear weapons and praises Trump for his work on N.Korea

-Corbyn says if parliament votes against May's Brexit plan then they would be forced to resume talks and no deal won't be made more likely

-Labour figures desperately disowning Laura Smith's call for a 1926 style general strike to overthrow Tories if there is no election (Burgeon standing ovation was not helpful), I think the feeling is Smith is inexperienced though I wonder if some will have a word with Burgeon

-Varadkar warns parliaments might not sign off on Brexit deal

-Barnier to meet Corbyn tomorrow

-Life expectancy in the UK has stopped improving for the first time since 1982, ONS unsure quite what is behind that though warns has been bad flu seasons

-Bar McDonnell, shadow cabinet did not look pleased during Corbyn's speech. No idea why

-Long-Bailey says second referendum won't be in manifesto, not impossible but highly unlikely that Labour will back May's Brexit, freely admits Corbyn's green jobs announcement is Ed Miliband's which experts they consulted said was best way forward

-Ashworth suggests a £5m annual young cancer patient travel fund

-Gardiner whistled red flag

-Noted as well as record numbers, a lot of lobbyists and business groups at Labour conference

-Fair play to McDonnell for his humour when asked about deep state

-Good put down Daily Telegraph: “What do you pray for in church, Prime Minister?” Theresa May: “I pray for serious questions from journalists”.

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-Hoey says people vote MP's are only dong it to attack Corbyn

-Richard Leonard needs to memories Labour's six Brexit tests

-McCluskey defends Unite's actions during conference as loyal to Corbyn

-Angela Eagle calls for international action on social media, wants an end to anonymous social media accounts, warns tech giants libertarians who are trying to hide from consequences

-Jess Philips "Of course I think we should never find ourselves in situation where there is no women in the leadership team of our party and possibly our country. Of course that needs changing through structure, it's not a game it's our lives. As usual if we don't benefit the men we don't matter"

-Creasy warns cavalry isn't coming for Labour moderates, they have to fight themselves. Of Momentum she lays into them "If you think being political means sitting in meetings or shouting 'Red Tory' at people who think differently from you, you can do one. Socialism isn't a scout badge you get for going on a protest march and trolling some MPs on Twitter.

"Two years on, what has Momentum actually achieved? To what single cause can they lay claim? They find time to try to deselect me, but not to take a stand against being in the same lobby as the likes of [Conservative MP] Jacob Rees-Mogg."

-Streeting says split is a bad idea and they must fight in Labour to end a toxic culture

-Owen Smith concerned mesh implants could become a scandal with companies and regulators not listening

-Stringer calls the conference Brexit motion a classic fudge, would vote against Chequers but could back May's Brexit deal if not that

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-Helen Thomas warns we lack warehousing for Brexit demands

-Leo McKinstrey (sun) unhappy with handling of bin collection

-Paul Swinney on McDonnell's speech

-Kevin Schofield on Corbyn feels his time has come, also on speech Kuessenberg

-Andrew Lilco market mortality and banking reform
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:57 pm

Labour conference overall: A very good conference in many respects, by all accounts morale was high, lots of numbers, business and lobbyists turning up gives a sense of being taken seriously and they are willing to engage with McDonnell (who has a good reputation for that). A lot of the big fears didn't come to pass, Brexit was chaotically at times managed but in the end they got a successful (and arguably meaningless) conference, there weren't major scandals or threats, anti-Semitism didn't dominate with the one error being an anti-Catholic joke that was neutered by a fulsome apology and the situation, there were tensions but not major splits. There are issues to work with, some that were there before and of the new ones: I suspect the call for strike will be used but won't be much leverage as a new backbencher, some soothing needs to be done over union vs Momentum tensions and Momentum's frustration on party reforms, the deputy leader situation was farcical, has enraged certain MP's and is damaging for feminist look. The leadership talk, which again I don't know where that has come from, is worrying.

The party leadership seems more confident (in Corbyn's case, I worry dangerously so) and at ease then ever, when critics are admitting Labour came out with policies of substance and looking election ready-ish, it is showing Labour are getting more and more formidable. The machine handled issues in a way that would make Blair proud, keeping rows limited and finding the compromise that enough people could sign up to to deal with the issue for the week, some shadow cabinet members like Rayner and Thornberry are getting more positive press now then they might have done in past. The key speeches went off without a major hitch and again advanced that sense of credibility a party needs.

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-Brussels to name a square after Jo Cox as part of their illustrious woman program

-Gardiner says Corbyn has shifted red lines as olive branch to May, Tories clearly suspect a trap and now ruled out doing deal on Labour terms

-Train problems for people heading back from Labour conference was not good moment for Grayling (Corbyn blaming Virgin backfires as blatantly not their fault, in fact it was from the public part of the railways)

-Javid says talk of second referendum is not helping Brexit talks

-May says Brexit is not turning UK turning back on international co-operation but seeking more accountability in decision making, met Trump at UN and they agreed Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for major trade deal, general election before Brexit day not in national interest, stability and predictability is declining, talked to President Hassan Rouhani about getting Zaghari-Ratcliffe released (been welcomed by Siddiq). She does an interview with Cleverly

-Carwyn Jones formally sends in his notice to retire

-Government apologises for contaminated blood scandal

-Sam Gyimah open to legislating about "essay machines" but wants sector to do more

-Tory Mayor Andy Street, who has a certain punch as one of their big mayoral success stories, says enough with austerity and cuts have to end

-Tories will unveil an interactive conference app which will allow people to provide feedback during cabinet minister’s speeches. No way that could go wrong

-Truss says Tories are underestimating Labour's campaign machine, calls their videos very good, Tory attack ads was a mistake in last election campaign and Tories need to prove they fixed the economy

-Apparently Corbyn didn't ask Barnier if EU would accept Labour's Brexit plan but media in Brussels are very interested in Corbyn, Corbyn says Barnier made no comment on if he had a preference for Labour or May's plan

-Hunt warns UK won't simply keep coming back with proposals till EU says yes, second referendum would look cynical to public

-Leaked government papers warn no deal means N.Ireland facts blackouts and major jump in electric prices

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-Rudd says she would back referendum rather then face no deal, 40 Tory MP's would vote against Canada style deal

-Dorries calls for May to resign as she is handcuffed to Chequers

-Davis on why Chequers is bad while briefly mentioning a third way

-Ken Clarke doubts either party is really ready for a early general election and both sides disliked by wide section of populace

-Sir Major doing an anti-Brexit event with David Miliband just before Tory conference. This could be interesting...

-Frances O'Grady urges Sturgeon to back second referendum

-Moody's warns about credit rating of airlines if no deal

-Farage sees Corbyn meeting Barnier as an attempt to undermine talks

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-Kuessenberg on state of Labour, Kettle on a sense of unity

-Simon Allison not happy at lack of Brexit debate at Tory conference

-Tom Peck has issues with Corbyn's speech but says it is the finest he has given, Oliver Kamm found it chilling, Toynbee delighted at press reaction

-Alex Wickham on Labour's subtle strategy to win Leave voters over, Lewis Godall feels Corbyn's team has identified the electoral battleground of this era
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:15 pm

-Abbott attacks Newsnight's Emily Matis for reading from a Tory script with an immigration question, Mattis points out she is reading a question raised by a Labour member in the conference hall. Abbot does not apologize when caught

-May gives Bradley vote of confidence

-Adam Price becomes Plaid leader, says they need to fire up the national imagination that something different is possible

-Growth was 0.4% in second quarter

-Nicky Morgan asking for tightening of rules and more transparency of election polling for private companies

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-Boris writes calling for a super Canada style Brexit, calls May's plan "a moral and intellectual humiliation" and a "collective failure of government, and a collapse of will by the British establishment, to deliver on the mandate of the people". and essay was two pages long which is unusual for newspaper. Few see anything new but suspect timing pre-conference is why he went big. Later says changing deal is pie and sky, EU will accept some sort of Chequers like deal as it is humiliating for the UK

-Militant's Derek Hatton on his return to Labour, important symbol for good or for ill

-Jo Swinson pushing for firms to publish their policy on parental leave

-Ian Paisley dismisses government papers on risk of electricity blackouts for N.Ireland if no deal as fake news and pretty much everything in their no deal papers also fake news

-Freeman warns Tories are risking becoming a party of nationalistic nostalgia

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-BBC has experts look at numbers for if anti-Semitism row has impacted Labour vote

-Simon Jenkins says Take back control should be about taking power from Whitehall

-Ian McConnell Remain is the pro business option

-Sam Lowe on Boris article
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Re: UK Politics

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-Government says it would back a joint home nations world cup bid

-Gauke says Boris plan threatens the survival of the UK

-Greg Clarke wants a audit of the big accountancy firms

-Independent warns May will have a tough reception at conference, Sun wants a new vision, Telegraph warns May to keep an eye on the quiet Gove

-Javid to argue for a public health approach to violent crime

- Barnier rules out being candidate to head European Commission as Brexit talks to be important to leave

-Verhoftsadt warns EU would likely replicate for UK migrants whatever UK immigration system is for EU migrants

-Toyata says no deal would result in stoppages at it's UK plants for unknown length of time

-Adam Price with near 50% of vote is first gay leader in Welsh Assembly, that Wood came last after six years is ouch but she has called for unity

-Chris Leslie no confidence voted

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-Boris refuses to rule out leadership bid to oust May, Chequers would be a political and econimic disaster, feels she has been blown off course by the election result, will keep speaking up for what he believes in

-Sir Duncan calls Boris a spent force that will never be PM and addicted to publicity

-Rees-Mogg calls Chequers a charge of the Light Brigade

-Sir Major says the routine attacks on May from her own MP's are completely unacceptable and undermine the talks, her critics are inexperienced and have failed to come up with a proper plan, backs May over the alternatives, wants second vote as Brexit arguments had proven to be a fantasy

-Mayor Khan to take time off for jury duty

-Shaun Bailey, former adviser to Cameron and social worker and current deputy leader in London Tory group, is the Tory candidate for London mayor. His voting Brexit might be an issue

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-Professor Anand Menon on how difficult May will find it getting Brexit through Commons

-Forysth (sun) on Tories need answers to domestic issues, festival, Street, Morduant and others

-D'Arcy on non-Brexit saga's
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:34 pm

-Tory HQ's conference app leaked private deals of those going to conference for an hour including police, cabinet minsters and journalists, Information Commissioner’s Office now involved and Brandon Lewis now not expected to use speech to say app shows party modernizing.

-Watson denies Labour's Brexit is cherry picking, fears WTO could collapse due to Trump which means that can't be relied on for Brexit, May has no Brexit plan B other then talking to Labour

-Government proposing official guidelines on how long youngsters should be on social media, stamp duty levy on foreign buyers to help fund homeless, festival in January (that seems a bad month) 2022, a mentoring fund for people from under-represented parts of Tory party, a target of 50% of candidates to be female, an overhaul of defence welfare, a few troops in remain in Germany, a cyber cadet force scheme

-Police Scotland apologize after some used their account for moaning about SNP going on about independence

-May accuses those who don't back Chequers of playing politics with UK's future, isn't bluffing about no deal but expects a good deal, EU hasn't proposed a Canada style deal, apologies for Windrush but refuses to apologize for hostile environment. If May was seeking to build a narrative, she failed and noted things seemed tensed between her and Marr at end

-Greg Clark warns we could lose our world leadership in car industry if no deal and we would forever regret it, concerned by Toyata's announcement, open to changing tax rates on business properties to help high-street and taxes need to adapt better

-Davidson says Boris is attacking plans he supported in government and was sitting around cabinet table when May discussed plans, seems more keen to talk about his record as Mayor then his last job as Foreign Secretary, would welcome a period of silence from Boris

-Dr Fox says EU has treated May appallingly, Brexit will lead to a short term blip in investment, would be willing to serve under any elected leader, need to warn that Corbyn is a threat to next generation and didn't make that clear enough in last election

-Javid jokes "Flight from Birmingham to Belfast delayed. Wish there was a bridge. Wait...."

-Brandon Lewis wishes Tories to be natural home of BME communities in a generation

-Hunt gaining major credit and credibility for his conference speech. Warns punishing UK could see EU lose others and it would not just a setback to lose such an ally but a tragedy for Europe, says UK's politeness must not be confused with an ability to fight their corner, EU needs to address the causes that led to Brexit rather then punish the act. Country can only be united if party and cabinet units, Remainers are patriots and Brexit has to be good for them too

-Gove says no deal is not something he would be glad to see, is an advantage for UK to be known for high food and environmental quality

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-Boris describes himself as a faithful loyal Labrador who is returning something his master (May) has mistakenly thrown away, calls Chequers custom plan deranged, suggests building a bridge to Ireland, notes he campaigned for Brexit unlike May. Tories need to do more to defend free market economics and can't beat Corbyn by copying him, HS2 should be shelved for a trans-Pennine high-speed rail link, May should stay as long as party wants her, strongly denies meting Bannon beyond bumping into him at White House, considers himself a one nation Tory

-Davis says Boris plans repeat a UK blight of big projects with big spend that don't do much good, considers Boris a good friend but one who makes better headlines then he does policies, predicts a very scary few months of brinkmanship and then a Super-Canada Brexit deal in November

-Chris Leslie argues Labour has become a narrow church

-Grieve says Brexit is paralysing government and arguing amongst themselves will hand Labour power, a significant amount of Tory MP's back second referendum and favours it as a pragmatic solution

-Heidi Allen would back second referendum, blames hard-right of party for Chequers being dead

-Alan Duncan says Boris is unfocused, not a tidy mind and not a team player, thinks it is all about him and can't decide if he is a politician or journalist, his Brexit solution is unworkable.

-Greening warns Tories haven't connected with public for 31 years and have to change

-Baker calls CBI a grave threat to the country and blames them for Brexit talks going bad

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-Rawnsley Tories must show they can adapt

-Sean O'Grady gives advice for May's speech

-Paul Goodman wants a conference of debate

-Ian MacWhirter Canada+ won't work
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby SunXia » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:57 am

Dong Zhou wrote:-Boris describes himself as a faithful loyal Labrador who is returning something his master (May) has mistakenly thrown away, calls Chequers custom plan deranged, suggests building a bridge to Ireland, notes he campaigned for Brexit unlike May. Tories need to do more to defend free market economics and can't beat Corbyn by copying him, HS2 should be shelved for a trans-Pennine high-speed rail link, May should stay as long as party wants her, strongly denies meting Bannon beyond bumping into him at White House, considers himself a one nation Tory

This. Just this. Northern Ireland is being played with and it's not looking good. Most of the state isn't even serviced by our motorway system, including the second biggest city and the entire west of the country. If a "bridge" to the UK is prioritised over fixing our roads, there are going to be a lot of unhappy Irish Nationalists because Unionists are again being prioritised when they've been calling for a proper motorway service for decades. Especially since NI voted to stay. One Union being prioritised over another.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:25 pm

SunXia wrote:This. Just this. Northern Ireland is being played with and it's not looking good. Most of the state isn't even serviced by our motorway system, including the second biggest city and the entire west of the country. If a "bridge" to the UK is prioritised over fixing our roads, there are going to be a lot of unhappy Irish Nationalists because Unionists are again being prioritised when they've been calling for a proper motorway service for decades. Especially since NI voted to stay. One Union being prioritised over another.


I'm not sure how much attention in Whitehall is spent on N.Ireland infrastructure and I suspect DUP has (even before alliance) more chance of getting influence in for a chancellor's spending then others. Lack of Assembly won't help for any push for the motorway. Number 10 is very worried about people of N.Ireland voting to leave UK, Brexiteers like Boris (who loves fancy infrastructure projects) and Rees-Mogg are not, they think just everything will be fine, warnings are scaremongering and N.Ireland is unthinkingly unionist. I suspect they could be in for an unpleasant surprise

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Hammond speech: Pre-released that he would warn Tories they need to offer a vision beyond Brexit. Early delivery was shaky and there was a tendency to stumble on a word throughout, early jokes poor but they became more effective, rarely funny but they set a good tone for first half before he stopped using them, not an orator even at his best. Was a wide ranging speech and felt like he was setting out a wider vision of what he believed in. Acknowledged he had to start with Brexit, reminded Tories EU is next door and always be our biggest market and the need to preserve frictionless supply changes, talked of need for unity and backed Chequers. Promised he would hold back fiscal measures in case of no deal but when deal happened, economy would be boosted. Said the thing that would define the government and the era would be how they handled the changing technology, set out why he is optimistic but also set out why it would bring fear to others, that they had to apply values to the change and adapt to it. Made a blatant point about how party is always party of business.

Those were the most interesting and thoughtful parts. His attack on Labour felt old and stale, demagogues, simple solutions, ideas that didn't work and so on. His defence of market economics in comparison was good but his attempt to build a theme of evolution and values never quite knitted together, defended his econimic record well enough but didn't feel there was enough new ideas for how he would restructure the economy and the country, it was running out of steam.

Very policy light, maybe saved for budget? May will need something big.

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-Truss says the route to Tory success is not to descend into Miliband/Corbynite ways

-May says she believes in Brexit

-Hammond tells Mail that Boris is incapable of grown up politics, Boris has no idea how his Brexit plans would work and will never be PM, mocks his interventions in cabinet as "Boris sits there and at the end of it he says, ‘Yeah but, er, there must be a way, I mean, if you just, if you, erm, come on, we can do it Phil, we can do it. I know we can get there.’ And that’s it.", Boris negotiating idea's are fantasy as breaks EU redlines, best achievement was Boris bikes.

-Finical Times saying Greg Clark considering review of business practises and use of personal data

-Raab warns EU there are limits to have far UK is willing to compromise, any threat to frustrate Brexit or break up UK will see no deal, Chequers is a compromise for a good deal, EU not matched UK ambition and pragmatism, we would deal with any no deal Brexit problems, Boris Ireland solution means a straight no deal

- £30m on encouraging big business to mentor small firms, restaurants will be legally barred from keeping tips from staff (Labour says stolen from them), a deal with Citizens Advice to provide support and advice on UC, and a partnership with the children’s charity Barnardo’s to give care leavers work experience in their shops. Will go unilateral on digital tax if need be, a review of competition regime looking into digital industry

-Davidson says she will have no second Scottish referendum in manifesto and on EU one says it would be hypocritical of her to back one, politics needs to look beyond the shouting towards the silent centre, Chequers is a most Tory Brexit as pragmatic and warns chaotic Brexit threatens UK's union

-Rees-Mogg and Davis seem to be getting bigger crowds then Lewis and Hammond, was notable how not packed the chancellor's speech was, though even the popular Ruth Davidson didn't fill the hall

-Williamson defends his shut up Russia comment as Yorkshire blunt, says UK has become too timid on international affairs due to Iraq and Afghanistan

-Latvia’s ambassador to the UK, Baiba Braže has objected to EU-Soviet comparisons.

-Collins warns will be a summons if Zuckerberg is ever in UK to explain data breach before committee

-Jeremy Wright decided not to go with Hancock's hologram appearance idea, Tom Watson quips about audience "I got a bigger audience for my conference speech than Jeremy Wright - and I didn’t even do a conference speech."

-Labour's complaint to press watchdog about wreath coverage has been dropped for reasons unknown

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-Freeman bemoans lack of vision from May and feels party is starting to resemble the armed wing of UKIP

-Lord Digby Jones attack on Boris went down surprisingly well at Tory conference

-Trevlayn would be pleased in Tories can just get to Christmas in one piece over Brexit and wants strong armed forces and foreign policy

-Lord Adonis attacks May's handling of the Irish issue

-Greening notes Tories have failed to carry the argument for decades, wasn't a surprise EU rejected Chequers but Salzburg tone was unhelpful

-Apparently photo's of Boris running through field of wheat. Too clumsy to be funny but it also isn't actually wheat

-Rees-Mogg suggest Remains learn that he accepted Tories did not vote a full blooded Brexiteer for leader and he has fully backed her since, Chequers is half in and half out, they must prevent Brexit being UKKIpsed 1950's view if they want the support of the young. Party needs to do more on domestic policy

-Patel says ministers haven't applied Thatcher economics to government or defended free market vigorously enough, says Dfid suppliers formed a cartel on government aid

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-Kuessenberg Tory conference not key for Brexit but for other reasons

-Katya Adler on why EU keeping eye on Tory conference

-D'Ancona in despair about state of Tories

-Trevor Kavanagh (sun) hates Hammond almost as much as he hates Corbyn

-Faisal Islam May needs to convince party she can deliver Brexit

-Oliver Wiseman bemoans Hammond's inaction
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby SunXia » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:36 pm

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SunXia wrote:This. Just this. Northern Ireland is being played with and it's not looking good. Most of the state isn't even serviced by our motorway system, including the second biggest city and the entire west of the country. If a "bridge" to the UK is prioritised over fixing our roads, there are going to be a lot of unhappy Irish Nationalists because Unionists are again being prioritised when they've been calling for a proper motorway service for decades. Especially since NI voted to stay. One Union being prioritised over another.


I'm not sure how much attention in Whitehall is spent on N.Ireland infrastructure and I suspect DUP has (even before alliance) more chance of getting influence in for a chancellor's spending then others. Lack of Assembly won't help for any push for the motorway. Number 10 is very worried about people of N.Ireland voting to leave UK, Brexiteers like Boris (who loves fancy infrastructure projects) and Rees-Mogg are not, they think just everything will be fine, warnings are scaremongering and N.Ireland is unthinkingly unionist. I suspect they could be in for an unpleasant surprise



Oh aye all those bombings and such that happened in Warrington, Guildford pub, Birmingham and Brighton (etc) just scaremongering, never happened. Sinn Fein are hardly doing anything because they know Brexit is destabilising the union and as the saying goes "Never interfere when your enemy makes a mistake". Once upon a time N. Ireland had a majority of a protestant/unionist background but not anymore, both are below 50%. And many people I now who classify themselves as Unionist would rather remain in the EU than the UK because of the funding given here by the EU after things settled.

And if they try to implement a hard border between NI and the Republic there will be murder again. I still get knocks at the door from police asking us to vacate buildings because of suspect devices and viable bombs. You give these dissidents more support if you implement a hard border and it will be The Troubles 2.0. The DUP do not care about this because they were always against concessions in the Good Friday Agreement to begin with they were the only major party to campaign for NO back in 1998. Besides, most of the higher ups are not from working class and don't really care if the Working Class begin shooting each other over this. Hell As long a Ian Junior still gets to charge councils over a grand a seat to his dinners, he doesn't care.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:44 pm

SunXia wrote:
Oh aye all those bombings and such that happened in Warrington, Guildford pub, Birmingham and Brighton (etc) just scaremongering, never happened. Sinn Fein are hardly doing anything because they know Brexit is destabilising the union and as the saying goes "Never interfere when your enemy makes a mistake". Once upon a time N. Ireland had a majority of a protestant/unionist background but not anymore, both are below 50%. And many people I now who classify themselves as Unionist would rather remain in the EU than the UK because of the funding given here by the EU after things settled.

And if they try to implement a hard border between NI and the Republic there will be murder again. I still get knocks at the door from police asking us to vacate buildings because of suspect devices and viable bombs. You give these dissidents more support if you implement a hard border and it will be The Troubles 2.0. The DUP do not care about this because they were always against concessions in the Good Friday Agreement to begin with they were the only major party to campaign for NO back in 1998. Besides, most of the higher ups are not from working class and don't really care if the Working Class begin shooting each other over this. Hell As long a Ian Junior still gets to charge councils over a grand a seat to his dinners, he doesn't care.


Fake news. My remembering the last IRA bomb as living nearby at the time, fake Brussels memories. Yes Sinn Feinn must be seeing this as their golden chance and as I understand it, people are switching to unification if borders return. DUP seem to be really trying to drive people away from unionism (though as I understand it, mainland DUP is worse then N.Ireland DUP)

Westminster doesn't pay attention to N.Ireland, I think too many think everything has changed, nobody would dare go back to it and (feels like a fair bit is relying on this) good will and fingers crossing will solve everything in the end. Amazes me nobody cites the head of N.Ireland police making these warnings at Boris and co when they try to dismiss concerns as scaremongering. I do forget the DUP used to oppose it till they slip in a reminder about it (Westminster really should be worried by Foster and Donaldson's comments today)

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-McVey accuses Labour of fake news and attacked Butler's support of Militant+Labour's bullying

-Dr Fox says Leave vs Remain will end, only a few crazy Lib Dems will be rejoiners. Can't just keep talking about Brexit and being a one trick party, need to get back to talking about their values

-Times saying May is willing to curb UK's ability on trade deals for Brexit talks, Daily Record says Scottish Tory MP's creating a stop Boris campaign called Operation Arse

-Gove argues 250 million extra meals could be supplied each year to the most needy in society by cracking down on unnecessary food waste, current food waste is folly and morally indefensibly, party must champion green reform, warns if it isn't change across world then would be more plastic in the world's oceans than fish by 2050, hints budget will ban no degradable nappies

-Emergency £240m into social care this winter to free up hospital beds, new financial crime unit to seize the assets of drug lords, will be a review of drug industry, £200m youth endowment fund for violent hotspots. More training for prisoners, £5m for first secure school to improve the education of young offenders, £15m trial tie-up with business and charities to redistribute food that is currently being disposed of, heterosexual couples can get civil partnerships, tougher rules on forced marriage. Tougher English language test, extend powers to strip duel citizens of English nationality, expanding genome project for NHS, £66m over five years to around 50 schools to be centres of excellence for English and maths,£10m to improve behaviour training for teachers, doubling the number of trained career leaders in schools. Trail compensation to be speeded up.

-May promises UK control of immigration policy, end of free movement but one that will be outward looking, EU and Soviet Union not the same, Brexit deal could have mobility concessions for EU, immigration target remains, isn't inclined to business exemptions on migration rules bar agriculture seasonal work, expects EU to bring in similar systems for UK, dodges Boris questions a lot but eventually admits she is cross with him on a few things like Ireland border. Says she felt Boris was a good foreign secretary, no deal would see WTO tarrifs kick in automatically

-Javid promises a clamp down on middle class drug users as their habit is causing a lot of suffering, Canada style deal has a lot to commend it (amazed this hasn't been picked up more), might scrap high skills migration cap, need to boost their ethnic minority vote. Housing crises needs to be main priority of domestic policy, says one or two changes he would have made but Labour handled the finical crises as well as they could but Australia handled the build up better, Corbyn is deluded but does believe what he says, rent controls are mad. Defends Bob Blackman of accusations of racism, is fine that his father couldn't come here under current rules.

- Verhofstadt calls Hunt's Soviet remarks offensive, former KGB prisoner EU Commissioner Vytenis Andriukaitis offers Hunt a history lesson, Polish former foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski “Please Mr Hunt, show us the gulag, please Mr Hunt show us the Soviet Union army troops in your country, please show us the Stasi system in your country.” and asks "Brexiteer comparisons of the European Union to the USSR is cheap and offensive, particularly to us who have lived both. Did the Red Army force you to join? How many millions has Brussels exterminated? Gulag for demanding a referendum on independence? Apologise"

Manfred Weber also demands apology with other EU figures unhappy

-Verhofstadt not happy with UK immigration plans

-Sir Jeffery Donaldson says no Brexit means parts of Good Friday agreement would have to change, Foster says Good Friday agreement isn't sacrosanct and can be evolved while alliance is with Tories rather then May, Sinn Feinn is alarmed while May must be oh so grateful. Good thing N.Ireland politics is so normal that Good Friday changes will be a piece of cake. Dodds says DUP will vote against any deal that has borders on Irish sea

-Huge queues for Boris speech even two hours before, Javid struggled to fill his hall. Boris given huge huge applause as he calls for Chequers to be chuckled

-May refuses to do the traditional conference interview with Jon Snow, broadcasters have done a united complaint and compared her to Trump, Downing Street angry and points to 26 interviews this week

-Sturgeon warns DUP statement are rather more significant then Boris show (she is 100% right)

-Gauke says Boris would struggle to provide serous leadership

-Sir Brady pointedly remarks there seems to be more people saying they put in letters of no confidence then actually have, told May not everyone is fan but everyone admires her resilience and determination

-Raab says Chequers will lead to a 7 and a half out of en Brexit

-Juncker warns he expect a row with May at Brexit summit over immigration plans

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-Green predicts today will be Boris making it all about him but sadly Green can't watch as he will be washing his hair

-Don't think Boris field photo has gone down as he hoped

-Boris said to have told MP's his Brexit plan would delay Brexit six months, jokes Hammond may finally have found Treasury forecast that might come true by predicting he won't be leader, party has lost confidence in freedom, if they can tackle housing crises then huge opportunity for Tories and Corbyn hates the idea of people owning their homes. Takes time off from passionately defending markets to call for bringing back stop and search, declaring limitations politically correct nonsense ( a shot at May), calls for tax cuts for the less well off, Chequers not democracy, cheats the electorate and would be tied to EU laws, it would in essence show the world we had been tamed by EU. A strong and competitive UK would help EU by stopping EU's instincts for over regulation

General sense from journalists was well written, well delivered speech that Boris is extremely good at making but while it pleased activists, they didn't sense anything new on Brexit and though he had new policies, nothing to sway over MP's who hate him

-Farage says Hunt used his kind of language, Lord Ricketts says it is rubbish unworthy of the Foreign Secretary, Sir Fraser calls it a shocking failure of judgement

-Paterson calls Chequers a ghastly cockroach that prevents trade talks and will vote against it

-Citreon says they are holding back UK investment till they see what is happening with Brexit

-Dr Woolostan says she won't won for leadership

-Steve Baker says chlorine chicken is clean chicken, May sticking by Chequers is causing considerable alarm

-Rees-Mogg says any restrictions on trade via Brexit deal would be a disgrace, dishonour the manifesto and see voters desert the party, jokes the National Archive let him out after his visit

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-Toynbee suggests a speech for May

-Dawn Butler on how housing attitudes need to change

-Brain Wheeler Tories problem with the young

-Stephen Glover unhappy with disloyalty in Tory ranks

-Andrew Grice more Tories coming around to second referendum

-Hinsliff wonders if we have reached peak Boris
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