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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Lord Yang Jiahua » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:08 pm

Dong Zhou, Are u a Newscaster or Commentator???

Cuz this thread here is a better record of British politics over the last, almost decade than most News Sources or any source, well, anywhere can put together.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:01 pm

I agree LYJ, this thread is my main news source :lol:
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:30 am

No, I'm nothing like that. I just enjoy politics and in fairness to media, they have to do commentry and provide a lot of other things but thank you both
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:07 pm

-McDonnell doesn't know cost of servicing the debt while arguing the cost of it is minimal and is not pleased when Andrew Neill points out nobody can confirm McDonnell's claim that asset managers are impressed by his plans as McDonnell says talks were confidential. Then he isn't happy as journalist asks him what the debt servicing costs would be under Labour and he can't answer. He is usually rather better then this. In Commons, urges government to go with dignity as they low on confidence, lack ideas and unity

-A sense Corbyn did well with the always very difficult task of responding to budget, tapping into anger and passion. He may wish his chancellor had risen to the occasion as well

-OBR has us down to close deficit by 2031, growth for third quarter confirmed at 0.4%

-Hammond says other measures will stop stamp duty cut putting house prices up, warns things like maths training will take years to bring productivity up, says he isn't gloomy about Brexit but simply a pragmatist: it has to be done but will be consequences, will find more Brexit preparation money if need be, over next 20 years a 1 million who drive for living will have to retrain due to driverless machines, more certainty about Brexit will boost growth

-Early sense is Hammond has shored up support among the Tory MP's and Mail says they will no longer call him Eyeore, May has declared his job is safe.

-Nicky Morgan says econimic downgrades are significant but budget was common sense approach, balancing fiscal discipline with need to increase spending , Bank of England has no room for complacency on gender pay

-Liz Truss says we have got to get better so growth of less then 2% doesn't become expectation

-BBC budget key points at a glance

-Tories rather annoyed (independent not helping with disgraceful headline) that voting against Caroline Lucas Brexit amendment is being portrayed on social as saying animals can't feel pain and wanting to get rid of animal welfare rules. Gove has put a defence of their reasoning in a written statement and says Brexit will allow tougher rules on things like clamping down on puppy smuggling while May vows to improve animal welfare standards

-Angela Rayner youngest grandmother in the Commons

-A sense Hammond has had to abandon austerity

-McDonnell and Corbyn seem to be boycotting Nick Ferrari of LBC

-Irish foreign ministry report on what it's diplomats are being told about Brexit has leaked: words like chaos come up a lot, a sense that UK diplomats being ill-served by their political masters

-Government finally schedule debate (January 11th) on state of the Palace of Westminster

-Government not releasing figures on how many hit by Uber hack because they don't trust Uber's figures but they don't think people will be hurt financially

-Labour suspend Ivan Lewis after sexual harassment allegations

-Bank of England gender paygap is 18.6% which they believe is due to amount of men in senior roles

-IF describes OBR forecasts as pretty grim reading while forecasts on earnings is truly astonishing (would be two decades with lost earnings potential), expects pure strings to loosened again in 2022 rather then public spending plans keep to target, austerity continues, nascent recovery in pay has been chocked off, slow growth is being felt, could take half a century to get national debt down to its pre-crisis levels if we somehow avoid a recession during the next 50 years, thinks stamp duty cut will work, Brexit impact was already taken into account in forecasts so decline due to other factors, cider is the most tax efficient way to get drunk

-David Gauke tweets
Yesterday, on College Green, RT reporter and camera crew came up to me asking questions.

ME: I don't do interviews with RT.

INTERVIEWER: Why not? ME: You're a propaganda station. Reputable politicians don't do interviews with RT.

INTERVIEWER: We've just had John McDonnell on.


-Treasury agrees to postpone Air Passenger Duty to Scotland (SNP had promised to cut it, now struggling to find funds for that and need Green support for budget)

-EU says British Cities can no longer be Europe's city of Culture from 2023 onwards

-Sir Fallon makes first speech since resignation, backs Lib Dem policy of aligning the national insurance threshold with the income tax allowance, wants tax incentives to encourage more employee share ownership, warns he will speak freely for more defence spending and warns against "muddling along mere managerialism"

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-Hardman not impressed at budget shirking the long term challenges

-John Elledge on budget's approach to housing

-Bush on austerity nimby's and Hammond's struggles

-Kevin Schofield says Hammond has quietly ended austerity

-Aditya Chakraborttyon a drifting budget

-Ben Kentish on budget showing econimic debate has drifted onto Labour's turf

-Toynbee feels Corbyn has seen the Remainer light (I'm really not convinced he has)

-The hostile Bagehot on the four sides of McDonnell
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:07 pm

-IFS head has said he will be dead by time we get debt down to pre-crises level

-Eu figures have noted their growth figures are being dragged down by UK

-May to warn EU to be wary of hostile Russia but keep supporting countries to it's east and pledge to support EU's defence

-Apparently Corbyn wasn't going to be called Jeremy but father changed mind at last moment

-Spanish government denies saying they want to get on with trade, they suspect UK misunderstood "we will see what we can do" as agreement

- Ulster Unionist Lord Kilclooney withdraws tweet describing Varadkar as "the Indian", says it wasn't racist but simply has a name he couldn't type when "Simon Coveney is stirring things up. Very dangerous non statesman like role! Clearly hoping to undermine the Indian." so used shorthand. Not sure anybody agrees with his version of events

-Government considering law to formerly recognize animal sentience

-Caryn Jones has referred himself to independent inquiry over whether he mislead the Assembly when he said there had been no allegations of bullying by his government in 2014, forming independent system for ministerial code of conduct

-Mortgage approval at 13 month low (remortgaging on other hand spiked due to interest rate rise), consumer confidence takes a big dip but Black Friday seems to have done well

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-Goldsmith comes across as passionately delighted at Gove's recent record at Defra

-Ken Clarke suspects Cameron did a deal with Murdoch before 2010 election

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-Eaton budget undermines Tory economic argument

-Fraser Nelson not happy UK been barred from city of culture

-Rachel Schraer on long failure to reform social care

-Iain Martin (sun) says economic forecasts should be ignored

-Alex Massie defends Dublin's stance on Brexit

-Helen Lewis on generational divide

-Andrew Grice suggests Brexit rather then austerity could define next election as it defined last

-Simon Jenkins says Remaining in customs union would solve Irish question
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:31 pm

-May says there has been progress on Brexit at EU summit and Danish PM Lars Lokke Rasmussen optimistic after he sensed movement on money issue but President Tusk says, while possible to hit deadline, it will be huge challenge

-Lord Shinkwin threatening to resign Tory whip on discovering role of disability commissioner on the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (which he applied for as a long time disability campaigner) has been changed to a general commissioner. Government says they have no power over the Commission

-Lord Holmes says he has been denied access to places like restaurants, cabs, supermarkets due to being blind

-Met Office warns to prepare for ice as we face cold snap

-Claims Tobias Ellwood has threatened to resign if armed forces reduced below 70,000

-European Banks have been removing 350bn euros of UK assets from their balance sheets over past year

-D'Arcy and week ahead

-Sir Cable's novel avoids being candidate for Bad Sex in Fiction Award

-EU officials tried to stop Downing Street's head of operations Richard Jackson as failed to recognise him

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-Bush argues no need to leave customs union and time running out on Ireland issue
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:01 pm

-Budget hasn't had usual fall weekend collapse

-Ireland's EU commissioner Phil Hogan says Dublin will take hard line to ensure border issue, suggests staying in customs union and says Brexiteers have blind faith about getting trade deal

-Arlene Foster says N.Ireland mustn't be under EU rules, SInn Feinn must decide to agree to deal with DUP or face direct rule, DUP respect Irish culture but need Sinn Fein to respect British culture

-Australia not happy with UK/EU attempt to divide up food imports (Ireland, Australia, India all refusing to be very very helpful against their own interests may be a surprise to some Brexiteers)

-Dodds says direct rule will soon be needed if there is no deal, agreement with Tories is in N.Ireland interest

-Rumours that cabinet is looking at allowing Supreme court to refer things to ECJ after Brexit

-Soubry on the threats she has faced and state of politics

-Government to set out industrial strategy on Monday

-Owen Paterson vs Mairead McGuinness and Sunday Politics did not have a calm atmosphere

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-Forsyth (sun) on Brussels maze, Euro, ECJ compromise, Barwell for mayor?

-Will Hutton says are shouldn't enjoy Germany's problem since we are the sick country of Europe

-Rentoul feels May has handled Brexit talks well with weak hand, on state of Brexit talks

-Ben Lowry with his version of soft Brexit

-Thomas Hogg feels technology can change way governments deliver services
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:42 pm

-Burnham calls for more wholehearted embrace of devolution from all parties

-May says Westminster will cover costs of Manchester attack after Burnham felt enough hadn't been offered

-Dr Fox says there can be no final deal on Irish border will trade terms are agreed, blames EU for delays in talks

-Tories, who were helped by May's Woman2Win, not happy at Dawn Butler saying May is now friend to woman. Why is it when Labour, no elected female leader, face an elected Tory female leader they seem to somehow magically be "no friend to woman"

-Extra money to help Rohingya Muslims fleeing violence in Myanmar

-Some Labour MP's not happy at a pledge going round to new candidates for MP's to share Momentum values (doesn't Co-op and unions demand the same thing?)

-I wonder if Greg Clark is seething at the timing of Prince Harry's engagement at same day as he launches industrial strategy. He refused to answer yes or no on whether Brexit is a good ideam vuisness welcomes his strategy but unions don't

-There is a Corbyn annual.

-Richard Leonard launches 12 policy reviews

-Corbyn says now time for UK Labour and Scottish Labour to be united, lowest paid would be £3,000 better off by 2020 under Labour then under Tories. Quite why Labour activists booed journalist asking about if he had message over Prince Harry, I don't know.

-Dent Coad has had four rounds of death threats. I hope the police catch those involved and bring them to justice

-Simon Coveney says EU united behind need for more detail from UK on Irish border

-Julian Lewis, chair of defence committee, wants defence up to 3% GDP and far from only Tory pushing for that

-Barnier says moment of truth is approaching but is hopeful of getting phase 1 through, very close on citizen rights, wants solid and true partnership

-Williamson says he sees the 2% defence spending as a minimum rather then maximum, seems to be willing to engage with MP's about their concerns on defence spending but mixed reviews on debut

-Government has handed over Brexit papers but suggestions it is a heavily edited version with non of the sectoral papers, that may not meet what MP's wanted

-Turkey's Prime Minister Binali Yildirim says work has started on trade deal

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-Lord Hesltine wants devolution to areas like Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle, South Hampshire, South Devon, best industrial strategy would be to stop Brexit

-Dent Coad shares meme based on Dahl's writings that argues May is ugly ergo has bad thoughts, Corbyn is handsome ergo has good thoughts. It has not gone down well

-Kate Hoey considers it offensive that Brexit could endanger Ireland peace process, Irish need to accept UK is an independent country, expects Ireland to leave EU, if hard border then Ireland should pay for the construction of the hard border. When told of Remainer being called traitor and demands he leave country: says it something that happens to all and people ignore abuse Brexiteers get, says Labour would have probably done same as Tories in forming DUP deal if situation was same for them.

Hoey is usually a sensible, diplomatic figure but "Ireland pays for building the borders"? This is like the king of courtesy Rees-Mogg getting mean when it comes to Remainers, Brexit is having hardening effect on Brexiteers

-Bertie Ahern says UK plan for Irish border could work as long as both sides ignore small traders breaking the rules

-BBC subtitles mistranslate Corbyn congratulating the two princes for their work on mental health as "Harry and Hezbollah"

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-Matthew Norman on Labour's Brexit stance

-Trevor Kavanagh (sun) says May and most of cabinet have swung behind harder Brexit

-Eaton says Tory MP's need to face up to hard choices if they want an end to austerity

-Nicola Murphy feels McDonnell blew his response to the budget

-Douglas McWilliams argues low productivity down to lifestyle choices
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:32 pm

-Eyes on Tory backbenches as revolt on defence spending seems to grow, claims of least 30 rebels and of course the issue of Ellwood

-Downing Street indicates no bank holiday for the recently announced wedding

-Newcastle Borough Council chief executive John Sellgren and Elizabeth Dodd, head of audit and elections, suspended as 1,500 unable to vote at election. Paul Farelly's election win can't be challenged

-I suspect David Davies claiming he couldn't give full information to Brexit Committee as he couldn't be sure they would redact things properly will go down well. Brexit Committee have summoned Davies, accusing him of flouting will of Commons though not all agree on that one (like Whittingdale and Craig Mackinlay suspect some would leak as they don't have good deal/national interest at heart) but given Rees-Mogg has urged stronger line against Davies while he and Sir Bone both feels government have not gone with spirit of Commons demand, he can't call on party loyalty. Robin Walker sent to face Commons, says the stuff sent to Brexit Committee will be sent to all MP's in time (that may not help as select committee's are meant to be able to get stuff that not available to all MP's) and may seek to amend the motion that had demanded papers be given.

-Some cynicism at the timing of two pharmaceutical investments being on industrial strategy day

-US ambassador Roger Johnson pleased at Welsh government efforts on trade

-Ireland's chief whip and minister of culture Joe McHugh fears Brexit could lead to return to violence

-Carney says banks can cope with disorderly Brexit (though possibly not disorderly Brexit and severe world wide recession at same time) after all banks pass stress test for first time since 2014. Wants 18-24 month (leaning more towards the latter) transition period as soon as possible, disorderly Brexit would be no worse then it's stress test of severe recession (very few commentators taking comfort in that) and doesn't expect disorderly one anyway as both sides want agreement.

-Jeremy Hunt says NHS must do more to cut out mistakes leading to baby deaths

-Bercow says Davies must meet Brexit Committee very soon and indicates he is open to calls for debate of contempt of parliament as events unfold and that attempting to amend the past motion won't fly. The government is seen as in utter trouble (only with stronger language)

-Alan Milburn warns if social divisions aren't healed, extremism will grow

-Gove warns farmers don't adapt and change post-Brexit will lose out as they change subsidy system

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-Witty attempt by Tudenghat to use the royal engagement for defence spending, Skinner has a right good go during debate on industrial strategy, Sir Robert Devereux (head of DUP) gave excellent defence of Universal Credit and his record at the department while I suspect his giving criticism of the accounts committee will sting

-Patel says government lacks conviction and clarity on where we end up after Brexit, May has failed to set out full vision and we have been underprepared, EU should be told to sod off for money demands

-Owen Jones vs Richard Angell on DP somewhat heated on Momentum

-David Lammy on Brexit papers timeline

-Daily Mirror's Jason Beattie "David Davis has basically being rumbled for claiming he'd written War & Peace but when asked to produced the manuscript has been forced to hand over the latest EL James"

-Sir Nick Harvey, former MP and defence minister, becomes Lib Dem chief executive.

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-Kuessenberg on government needlessly riled MP's now

-Peter Franklin on which Tories are suitable for "govoppsition"

-Bush rejects claims Momentum are forcing out centrist councillors and argues Irish border will show if Brexiteers took Brexit seriously enough

-Rampen on Scotish Labour will show if Corbynisim can go beyond Corbyn

-Toynbee pleads with N.Ireland parties to save us from Brexit

-Luke Akehurst seeks to rally centre-left and argues Momentum has peaked

-Hardman on Dent Coad's spite

-Simon Wren-Lewis calls for public investment

-James Frayne not happy with investment strategy
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Lord Yang Jiahua » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:23 pm

I find it very annoying how fascinated America apparently is with this whole Prince Harry wedding story.
It led off the CBS evening news yesterday of all things.

I was more annoyed about the comparisons i saw to Edward VIII , which is just historically very lazy.

Cares about royalty used to be a more, upper class care, back in the day, Gore Vidal can attest to this in his memoirs.
Now its seems like a reality TV kind of thing, and somehow everyone would just love to be royalty, which is somewhat obvious, but at the same time, just why? The royal houses of Europe, mostly all out of power bar mostly House Saxe Coburg Von Gotha(or Windsor in Britain) all got there thru hundreds of years of political manuvering prior, various wars, successions, etc, amongst the Elite elite classes, they've mostly earned their places. As much as its a nice fantasy, people should realize, there is no way they can be them, possibly, like them in wealth or extravagance sure, but not actually them.

I would relate this to the apparently huge fascination going around with ancestry and DNA etc, because it seems such an White American thing.
And personally because, whenever i look at my last name, Yang, i have no reason to wonder why i have it, or where it came from etc, because it is a name that has existed since before Christ, held high office in many dynasties, and already done its job to have prestige, i don't need some proofs to say where i'm from or how Grand a name or ancestry i have. (it probably isn't grand at all, but i certainly know by how often a Yang appears in China's Historical record that i don't need to prove much).

Brits, in general, yah, you all should definitely care about the whole thing, its your prince, your royalty, and your Queen and Country/ National Pride and all that, dunno why it should make headlines that look straight out of realty TV land over here.
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