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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:30 pm

Brexit bill: MP's vote down devolved administrations veto, SNP saying courts should take into account ECJ rulings after Brexit and Chris Leslie's+Labour's proposals on transition period, agree to repeal European Communities act, Raab says government has future amendment that would force ministers to show Brexit laws comply with Equalities Act. Whips will be fairly pleased, winning most votes with comfortable enough majorities


PMQ's: Corbyn goes on police numbers and budget, May responds well uses stats and argues she has protected budgets while crime has fallen, Corbyn has fun with Boris tweet about closed police station and uses it to build into their police budget (May points out Khan is a Labour figure and spoofs Corbyn well) then goes onto funding sprinklers, May points out Londoners get more money for police then anywhere else per person in UK and defends Grenfell record then points out Labour councils don't believe sprinklers are always the answer. Corbyn ignores the concerns she brings up but does point out that some councils have asked for funding and been refused, says lettings agency is evicting people due to Universal Credit due to arrears it brings, May halting in initial response and gives general defence but asks letter to be sent onto her and one from a past complaint as she asked last time. Corbyn says he will send a copy (but doesn't answer about past one) then goes onto Universal Credit driving people into poverty but it lacks an effective punch before going into NHS waiting times and cancer targets=budget, May gives good defence of NHS record. Corbyn goes onto educational cuts, reminding her of past question and getting hostile reaction from them but headteachers backing him on this, May goes onto generic defence and "strong economy", Corbyn presses on headteachers concerns and cites IFS then links it together as government allowing superich to dodge taxes while public services are cut but peroration cut off by Bercow, May defends tax record and points to Labour's tax policy would have cost enough to fund policy before a weak final attack about Corbyn stagnating country.

A rarity but felt May won that, her performance far better with delivery, she had good attack lines, targetting well and good generic defences, better able to hide when she doesn't quite answer the question. Corbyn attacks lacked punch throughout and while he had some neat ideas to take shots at likes of Boris but they were delivered clumsily, he never had any responses to May's effective punches and just tended to ignore it, didn't quite knit his stuff together. Blackford starts with crossparty support for emergency services then asks for them to not be charged VAT, that it has been ignored despite SNP complaining 30 times in Westminster, May indicates Scottish Tories have also complained about it but SNP government were warned this would happen when they merged the forces

Was a very slow session


-Rudd says youngsters do not remember the problems with nationalized industries

-Some MP's rather unhappy with telegraph listing and displaying photo's voting against May's date amendment as "The Brexit mutineers". Fair play to Steve Baker who has defended his colleagues and condemned Telegraph, ditto Rabb while Gove agreed with Baker. Some of the "mutineers" started having fun with it until Soubry's office received five threats today

Will Telegraph help Soubry, her office, pay the police investigation so public doesn't have to bear the cost of the Telegraph's irresponsible behaviour? Doubt it

-Thornberry says Boris needs to learn consequences

-Acting Scottish Labour leader Alex Rowley steps down after ex-partner made serious allegations about him, ones he fully denies

-Dent Coat won't be punished with Corbyn saying he will talk about the need for talking respectfully, has been pointed out Shaun Bailey never used ghetto boy. She also posted a picture of Tory logo with a doodle of a hanged man

-Davies hopes for transitional deal agreed early next year

-Sturgeon says Brexit date on bill is silly

-ECJ rules EU nationals who become British citizens do not lose the right to bring a foreign-born spouse to the UK

-Kensington and Chelsea council sent out leaflet asking for ratings of priorities... including Grenfell tower from 1-10

-Labour MP's sitting near Field were not happy with his shot at Benn. BBC clip of Frank Field comment

-Russian senators accuse May of making herself look foolish after her comments on Russian interference

-The children's commissioner for UK wants Universal Credit paused

-Unemployment remains at 4.3% but employment has fallen for first time in year, basic pay at 2.2% (bit lower then 3% Or your food's 4%), productivity hits six year high with 0.9% rise, EU nationals working here at record high of 2.38m due to rise on Romanians and Bulgarians offsetting fall in Polish and some of the eastern countries

-Ratcliffe says meeting with Boris was constructive but Boris is reluctant to go for diplomatic protection

-Hammond says budget will have plan for housing to address a complex problem

-Manfred Weber more optimistic after meeting with May


-IDS accuses Freeman of attacking result of referendum, Freeman says IDS read misleading news article rather then what he actually said

-Journalist Steve Richards on yesterday Brexit debate "Today's Commons' debate on EU withdrawal debate has many echoes with Masstricht debates in 1990s. So much political energy sucked up by Europe in recent decades. Imagine if the same attention had been given to NHS/social care.. we'd have best quality of life in the world."

-Sir Letwin warns clause 6 of Brexit bill is a frightful mess and contradicts itself, Lords will likely intervene heavily if Brexit bill remains as it stands

-Philip Davies says he is "often pilloried for arguing that men and women should be treated equally", Homer Simpson has become a bad stereotype that hampers fathers, male victims of domestic violence, sexual assault and unequal pay are often neglected

-Farage offers Ken Clarke his thanks and a pint

-Sir Grieve says tone of debates so far indicate some compromise can be found

-Ken Clarke remarks some ministers aren't overly fond of workers rights

-Patel in first Commons speech since her resignation "Of course I am speaking today in this debate following an intensive course over the past week, I think it’s fair to say, on how to stage an exit which was the focus of a degree of international attention.", urges government to ignore those who lack confidence in country's ability to run itself


-Katy Balls on why Corbyn isn't ahead and May has got herself in trouble with amendment 381

-Bush slams both sides of the Dent Coad debate and warns already too late for Commons to have a meaningful vote on Brexit, talks of theory that May is preparing for soft Brexit by the recent amendments

-Martin Rosenbum says amount of new voters may have cost May election

-Behr condemns Brexiteers handling of the Irish question

-Matt Singh on why polls haven't moved

-James Kirkup on Tories turning against austerity

-Andrew Grice on the gang of 20
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:31 pm

-McDonnell calls for an emergency budget to end austerity and fund public services, large-scale public house-building programme, 17 billion more for public services. Paradise papers show Labour were being too conservative at getting 6.5 billion from clamping down on tax avoidance, wouldn't spend money preparing for no deal (I can see that one being an issue)

-Labour put Ivan Lewis under formal investigation but don't suspend him

-Government won all day 2 Brexit votes but saw majorities drop from 20 to a fair few 16 and one 12

-Expected government will cut Universal Credit wait time

-Government to take some housing association debt so they can pay for more houses

-Commons Home Affairs Committee concerned there isn't the funding needing for borders after Brexit

-Jackie Baillie becomes Scottish Labour's interim leader

-Carney warns no transitional deal will lead to higher inflation, UK worse off due to Brexit and sliding down G7 rankings (our growth is lowest in major economies in Europe and N.America), recovery been longer then Great Depression, business investment isn't as good as it would be during a good period but it isn't "anticipating disaster" level either, says duty is to disclose risks but some Brexiteers didn't want to hear Brexit has risks, if Bank forecasts are correct then will be a few interest rate rises over next few years

-Rumours Gove has been showing off econimic ability at cabinet and is being too blatant that he wants to be Chancellor

-Retail sales up 0.3% which is more then expected thanks to second hand market, clothing sales down 1.5%

-Frank Field concerned Talbot pension situation is a golden market for scammers and watchdog isn't taking it seriously enough, says he doesn't have the language to describe the horrors Universal Credit has become, proposals reforms like fortnightly payments, payments straight to landlords if people wish. On lighter note, has in fact inherited a house (he says he has never lived in it)

-Javid says big action needing on housing with many flaws needing fixing, those who say youngsters can afford houses if they cutback on luxuries are out of touch and stop blocking plans to build houses, a generation without property and capital could become resentful

-Sun seems to have moved towards offering EU more money to get to phase 2

-MP's demand Universal Credit waiting time be cut

-Electoral Commission inquiry into Leave.EU delayed by its failure to disclose information the Commission asks for

-Dutch parliament’s European affairs committee says they must prepare for no deal thanks to Britain's unrealistic expectations and inconsistency


-Caroline Lucas says she is delighted with Gove's work at Environment but questions how long he would be there. Maybe she owes Gove an apology given she called him “uniquely unqualified for the post." as one of the nicer comments when he was appointed

-Paterson refuses to condemn Telegraph as it might think them think, says May shouldn't offer EU more money, Irish government stance is due to their being worried about Sinn Fein

-Soubry says she smells a giant rat when official report published said that Primodos, a hormone pregnancy test used in the 1960s and 1970s, was not responsible for serious birth defects

-Not sure those who want a second referendum will be pleased to have Lloyd Blankfein support


-Robert Peston on how far behind Tories are on social media and why that matters

-Hardman says May shouldn't worry about revolt if she goes bold on housebuilding

-Simon Jenkins on May misreading age of Brexit politics

-Rohan Silva on gig economy is here to stay

-Forsyth defends Gove
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Lord Yang Jiahua » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:05 pm

Question, Dong Zhou?

It seems the American Tax system (and people) are about to be screwed over, for nothing more than an arbitrary facade of Congress people wanting to make their friends in the various corporations richer (which the can already do by hiding money in places like Ireland or something, so even that doesnt make sense.)

How do the British manage their taxes, bar the fact that it seems when the Europeans in general pay taxes, they get a tangible product in something like Social Welfare(Healthcare etc) so we're told.
Or better yet, its common unspoken thought that Americans in general don't want to pay taxes period, i.e they feel entitled to things without paying for them first . So why does it seem Europe is more okay with paying theirs.

Note these are something of assumptions, and if u don't want to give a long answer, u could point at some literature on the subject.
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:40 pm

I can't comment on Trump's tax reforms to compare. No idea what literature to point to though WWD or Sun Fin can help there

As I understand it, the modern USA attitude is small state and small taxes particularly for business. This may be due to Reagan being a hit, US attitude of it being the great country on earth, the need to be self sufficient, government bad and so on. Better for business and people to have money in pocket then for it to be taken and spent on such and such.

Europe, perhaps based on having experienced how bad things can get with two world wars and dark history, has a more trusted attitude towards government taking money and doing good things with it. People are reluctant to lose what stuff they get from government but accept this needs paying for, they accept more government interference as they see it as helping with health, living standards and so on. Any country in Europe that didn't have a proper healthcare system would be considered barbaric.

UK is sort of "we want Europe style provision for us, on US taxes." so not healthy. We believe in competitive/low corporation tax to encourage business, we have a lot of tax breaks for such purposes or to nudge people to do things though tax code has got ridiculously large now which has left a lop of loopholes. On an individual level, most have a personal tax allowance that goes untaxed, we are taxed more on income then on wealth, 45p per pound the biggest for the wealthy (50p is aimed for by some on the left), people pay national insurance within taxes to help fund NHS though that isn't thought to be enough
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:58 pm

-Bryant says he was told by Mail (he said Mail on Sunday but corrected it on twitter) journalist in 2003 they were betting when he would kill himself and the journalist hoped it would be by Christmas. Mail is calling it a smear and demands he withdraw it, that Bryant had brought it up at Leveson only for the claim to fall apart

-Davies goes to Germany and warns everyone not to put politics above prosperity, incredibly unlikely there will be no deal and wants freest trade possible, UK will go for race to top rather then race to bottom when it comes to consumer standards

-Steve Brine clearly annoyed at MPs reaction to report on Primodos

-During press conference after Davies speech, German interviewer got round of applause for saying UK government seemed in chaos

-May to meet President Tusk

-McDonnell says in that "wargaming coment" he first said there would not be a run on the pound before he made comments about wargaming it

-Michelle O'Neill on Stormont stalemate

-Daniel Bond interviews Arlene Foster

-Sebastian Whale interviews Damien Collins


-Kuessenberg on Brexit talks

-D'Arcy on the tight numbers and calculations for whips and MP's for Brexit bill

-Eaton on Tories changing views on economy policy and Davies "prosperity before politics" extremely hypocritical

-Bush argues Tories should worry less about ousting McLoughlin and be deeply worried by damage Grayling could do them long term

-Martin Kettle says budget is government's big chance but they will waste it

-Solomon Hughes says even if Russia did interfere, pinning Brexit and Trump on Putin ignores the reasons they won

-David Singleton on up and coming Tory MP's

-Russian journalist Alexey Kovalev says UK really over-claiming Russian influence on Brexit

-Andrew Grice on Tories with ideas
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:00 pm

-Dr Wollostan becomes liaison chair aka head of all the select committee chairs

-Lords now at 801 peers

-Labour Christmas cards have letters dropping like the background of May's speech

-President Tusk warns much more progress needed before phase 2 can start, good progress has been made on citizens rights but Ireland the bill is a problem, says he admires Davies English sense of humour in relation to his speech

-Varadkar says he will veto phase 2 if Ireland isn't sorted out and agreement is not close, is willing to miss December deadline, demands binding guarantees that there would be no physical checks at the border, remarks Brexiteers have demanded referendum for ten years yet don't seem to have thought things through. Simon Coveney says Brexit is a leap in dark for Ireland and not in right place for phase 2, talks need four of five years, can't see a way of avoiding border infrastructure while DUP's Sammy Wilson sees this as an attempt to chain UK to EU.

-A sense press rolling their eyes at Davies "prosperity over politics" given their feelings about Brexiteers and that phase 2 is in danger of not happening this year

-Barnier papers leak, indicating he thinks only realistic Brexit deal is a Canada style one (Treasury suggests it would lose 35 billion a year from that on taxes) as UK refusal to be under ECJ means it can't be under EU framework

-May says Uk and EU must work together to reach phase 2

-Swedish PM Stefan Lovren says UK has to explain why they mean by finical obligations

-Sarah Clarke has become first female Black Rod, formal title will be " The Lady Usher of the Black Rod", her administrative experience in sports organizations seems to be why she was hired

-Antoinette Sandbach is rather offended by being accused of being a collaborator with Labour. Her family lived under Nazi occupation so she doesn't like such terms. Points out she never accused Sir Cash of anything disloyal despite his history of revolt

-Dawn Butler says austerity hits BME woman people hardest, Tories argue statistics like inequality and employment rates show a different story

-Davies says France and Germany stopping phase 2 starting and time for EU to compromise


-Mercer taking part in movember

-Farage's former aide Annabelle Fuller claiming she had relationship with him for years and he told her to keep it quiet for sake of Brexit

-Stephen Hammond claiming Chancellor will use headroom to spend on health and housing

-Nick Boles says Tories will lose if they don't help young with housing

-Ken Clarke suggests Irish sea be border

-Bill Cash accuses the gang of 20 of being dissidents. This would be arch rebel Cash?

-Alex Chalk says social media companies must be more robust in dealing with illegal stuff on their sites


-Katy Balls on EU talks hardening

-Christian Odendahl on German reaction to Davies speech

-Kuessenberg on crunch time for Brexit on Monday

-Katya Adler on state of Brexit talks
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:19 pm

-Hammond to greenlight testing of driverless cars, accuses Simon Stevens of not delivering the reforms he promised, but Hammond is going to be hammered for saying there are no unemployed. Really bad slip

-Gerry Adams to stand down as Sinn Feinn leader next year, says a leader must know when it is time for change

-Sinn Feinn in favour of allowing abortions where a pregnancy poses a risk to a woman's health, including mental health

-Michelle O'Neill wants Ireland to have a minister for unification and a committee for it

-Scottish Affairs Committee demands clarity on what powers will be devolved after Brexit before next round of Brexit bill

-Richard Leonard becomes Scottish Labour leader with 56.7%, will be seen as a win for the left of the party, gives Corbyn a more friendly figure on NEC that tilts balance his way, Leonard is a low profile but well respected figure in the party. Talks of wanting to build a new movement behind the party's old ideals, rules out coalition with SNP in future. Given the need to unite things after a sometimes bitter leadership contest, not sure he was wise to then say his predecessor may be suspended for appearing on "I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!" (the money and salary she gets goes to charity but is while Hollyrood is sitting)

-Corbyn says Dugdale shouldn't get suspended, sees Leonard victory as a chance to end rigged system in Scotland

-Lord Prescott on climate change

-Hammond (sun) on how budget will help meet challenges of technology

-Dutch government cutting country’s 15 per cent tax on dividend payments made to shareholders is attempt to lure companies like Unilever and Shell who have Dutch and UK shareholdings to move to Dutch only

-Rees-Mogg says Hammond is a serious and steady hand at the Treasury


-Stephen Dailsey on what Leonard victory means for Scotland

-John McKee encouraged by Leonard victory

-Forsyth (sun) on make or break month for May, blaming of new chief whip, Brexit payments

-Ben Kentish on housing
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:51 pm

-Hammond wants 300,000 homes built a year but won't throw money at it, driverless cars by 2021 but what people are remembering is the "no unemployed" line (he was talking about fears when typists were phased out by computers)

-Labour investigating after Mail on Sunday claims Paul Farrelly swore at James Frith and argued with Ruth Smeeth and Gareth Snell as they prepared to vote on Brexit bill. Farrelly denies swearing at Frith but says he does not get on with the latter two MP's who are the MP's for his neighbouring constituencies

-Soubry has had 13 death threats since Telegraph's mutineers headline. Telegraph whining about free speech, no way they could have foreseen the threats and shouldn't be connected, they were bringing to attention forces that were trying to stop Brexit (some would suggest opposing an amendment isn't stopping Brexit and suggesting it is is a sign that the telegraph heads are amazingly incompetent), basically telegraph is costing the country lots of money has police deal with threats caused by their rabble rousing and will take no responsibility for their actions.

-Labour MSP's do not seem happy with Dugdale with Leonard admitting feelings are running high and suggesting Dugdale ignored requests that she didn't take up the invite. Sturgeon has declared she is TeamKez but admits she wouldn't be pleased if an SNP MSP did it

-D'Arcy on Week of Brexit and Budget

-Work and Pensions Committee and the Business Select Committeehave joined up to publish draft bill on workers rights in gig economy

-May's Brexit subcomitee has 10 figures: Herself, Hammond, Rudd, Boris, Davies, Dr Fox, Green, Clark, Gove, Williamson

-While Sun and Times back paying up, Mail says giving EU more money would be giving into blackmail (it also tries to blame Hammond for it)

-Barnier, speaking with more English then usual apparently, says Brexit could be turning point for EU as it realizes it must do things itself, N.Ireland already has special rules so not sure why ones to do with EU and border would undermine it, Brexiteers need to offer solutions on Ireland problem, Brexiteers claims it can be part of single market and free of EU bureaucracy is incompatible with each other, City of London firms will lose passporting rights after Brexit, EU parliaments could block trade deal if they feel UK is diverting too much from EU standards but if we stick to them then could have a very ambitious trade deal

-German foreign minister Michael Roth says UK must move on Brexit bill

-Jeremy Hunt has got involved in twitter argument after actor Ralf Little accuses Hunt of lying about mental health spending

-Lord Callanan, new Brexit minister, forced to apologize for telling Lords article 50 couldn't be reversed. That he did it after Lord Adonis threatened to report him for misleading peers may not endear Lord Callanan to his fellows

-Trickett's credibility with press somewhat damaged after claiming Freeman resigned as chair of Number 10's policy board. Given there is (since the election was called) no such thing, got some eyerolls

-Electoral Commission has announced it is investigating whether Vote Leave broke campaign spending rules during the EU referendum, ditto Darren Grimes and Veterans for Britain who spent on digital marketing

-European Medicines Agency leaving London for Amsterdam and European Banking Authority leaves for Paris, both decided by being drawn out of hat after votes were tied (Milan and Frankfurt the unlucky defeated two)

-Been noted that Merkel's failure to form coalition is not going to help Brexit talks


-Nicky Morgan defends being a "mutineer"

-Halfon worries big Brexit bill will infuriate Brexit voting public

-Ian Austin lays into Russia Today

-George Freeman on reform and national renewal

-Henry Smith urges no more giving of cash to EU

-Sir Bone says no money whatsoever should go to EU

-Redwood takes time from advising people to invest abroad to say we should pay EU nothing once we leave but agrees with paying till then

-Finical Times Philip Stephens (given this has been used in a press release attacking Boris) claims "I am told that [Boris] Johnson’s response when presented with inconvenient truths is to cover his ears and hum the national anthem until the bearers of the bad news go away. One of the things that gets him humming most loudly is the hard evidence that falling back on WTO rules would decimate Britain’s professional services businesses."

-Former ambassador to EU Sir Ivan Rodgers says leaving single market and no deal will hit agriculture the most, Irish border insoluble problem,, USA will seek to dictate terms as the stronger side of the trade deal, New Zealand and Australian counterparts have told him they will focus on deal with EU first before UK


-Chris Deerin not convinced Scottish Labour has made the right choice

-Matthew d’Ancona on Hammond's tin ear and budget

-John Harris on computer education

-Paul Goldsmith says Davies has misunderstood the EU

- Piet Eeckhout and Oli Patel suggests a transition deal they think could be easy to get

-Bush on state of polls
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:36 pm

-OBR calculates we will be hit with Brexit penalty of £15.4bn by 2018-19, borrowing up by 8 billion in October (was expected to be 7 billion) up 6.9% from last year thanks to inflation rise while government income up 4%, UK factories enjoy best month for new orders since August 1988

-Brexit sub Cabinet agrees to pay EU more money but some on the Brexit ranks murmuring about revolt. Kuessenberg's article on how May got this past the Brexiteers has been well noted

-Karen Wheeler, director general of borders at Revenue and Customs, warns due to lack of space ports may seek to build custom checks inland and they won't be ready on day 1 of Brexit

-Britain to lose it's seat on International Court of Justice for first time ever, Sir Christopher Greenwood had backing of UN security council in seeking relection but kept drawing with India's Dalveer Bhandari who had backing of general assembly. Being seen as at least partly Brexit induced as EU didn't back us while our international stock and influence seems to have collapsed since that vote

- Leonard says he would support England in any sporting Scotland vs England game (born in Yorkshire so will get a lot of these questions), truthful but might be a problem. Dodges around the issue of the suspicion of award winning Labour councillors on Aberdeen City Council who agreed an alliance with Tories against orders

-Hammond persuaded not to go in driverless car

-Budget to include extending Railcards offering discounted train travel to people up to 30 years old.

-Christian Schmidt, the food and agriculture minister, says no deal would be a economic disaster for UK

-David Davies says MEP's have played an important rule in EU, in favour of deal with his wish being an ambitious new one, tangible progress has been made in talks but time to move onto trade, transition should be timelimited and UK allowed to have trade talks but not implement them till afterwards. Refuses to take questions after speech

-May wants Stormont talks to restart next week

-Gardiner on his concerns about the trade bill

-Boris says UK's defence support for EU is unconditional, will be about 50 diplomats to EU capitals, no hard border in Ireland, German government situation won't delay Brexit talks

-As rumours fly that government is going to make concessions on ECJ, Downing Street stubs it out and insists European Court of Justice jurisdiction over EU nationals in the UK will end after a two-year transition period

-Leave.EU condemns Brexit bill increase and describes Rees-Mogg as “one of the few remaining true conservatives”.

-DUP accuse Sinn Feinn of glorifying terrorism (their party conference saw big cheers when video declared Martin McGuinness was a proud member of IRA), Sinn Feinn claims they saw no such thing

-Simon Coveney has said Ireland will veto phase 2 however much money May offers if no solution to Irish border, DUP furious at what they see as threats

-Scottish Labour decides Dugdale will not be suspended

-Raab promises government will publish memorandum explaining how rights will be protected


-Fabian Hamilton makes good speech on Saudi blockade of Yemen

-David Jones says UK should be prepared to walk away if we don't move onto phase 2 in December, should begin investing in post-Brexit systems

-IDS says we should wait rather then pay more as EU in chaotic situation

-Rees-Mogg says offering more would be foolish as Germany's situation means it will be very eager for a deal now

-Paterson says we should become a low tax, less regulation country like Singapore rather then tie ourselves to EU

-Bridgen says if bill is now 40 billion, it would be disappointing and timing just before Budget was bad, Germany is so chaotic we shouldn't offer anything and see what happens, if EU wanted to we could have trade deal within weeks

-Lord Hunt on wound care

-Sir Grieve warns party may risk looking out of touch if it is seen as ignoring the need to absorb international human rights law into UK law


-Eaton on EU has taken control of Brexit talks

-Bush on Germany and Ireland bein the biggest threat to Brexit phase 2

-Toynbee on state of Tories and the economy

-Martin Kettle warns we have misread Germany
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Re: UK Politics

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:23 pm

Budget: Was leaked out that Hammond would say country must seize Brexit opportunities and take head on deep econimic challenges, shouldn't talk country down, productivity must be tackled, remarks Clarkson's dislike of driverless cars is just one reason to pursue that path, on extra maths "Don’t let anyone tell you I don’t know how to show the nation a good time."

Policies: 3 billion extra or Brexit contingency funding, Police Scotland and Scottish Fire Service made exempt from VAT (Scottish Tories taking the credit) but no refund, £4.5m raised from the fines imposed on banks for Libor-rigging will go to charities helping veterans. £2.3 billion for R&D and increase the R&D Tax credit to 12%, government will replace European investment fund money if necessary, £200m clean air fund, exploring new taxes on plastic waste. Will be a national retraining scheme and will keep funding Unionlearn, £30m to improve digital connectivity on the trans-Pennine route, a new city deal for the West Midlands. £2bn more for the Scottish government, £1.2bn more for Wales and £650m more for Northern Ireland. From April the living wage will rise from £7.50 an hour to £7.83, basic rate income tax threshold to rise to £11,850 in April next year, higher rate threshold to rise to £46,350, freeze duty on wine, spirits, beer, more expensive cider and airtravel paid for by taxing private jets and increasing rate on premium class air tickets+strong cider, NHS to get an extra £10bn capital investment over this parliament and get an extra £3.75bn this year for its current budget, NHS pay will be met, threshold for VAT registration to stay at £85,000 for the next two year but looking at vat reform for small business. Business rates to be upped by CPI rather then RPI, income tax will be applied to sales abroad with online market places jointly responsible, extra money for Kensington and Chelsea, councils will be able to charge a 100% premium on council tax on empty properties, a homelessness taskforce seeking to eliminate rough sleeping by 2027, 44 billion extra over five years for housing, Oliver Letwin will chair a review of how land is being used for housing. Stamp Duty abolished for first time buyers for houses up to £300,000 (for more expensive areas, won't have to pay stamp duty on the first 300k). Major changes to Universal Credit with 1.5 billion extra cash, wait no longer then five weeks, repayments period for advances will be extended from six months to 12 months, remove the seven day waiting period applied at the beginning of a benefit claim, rollout to be slowed down

OBR downgrades growth (1.5% this year, 1.4% next year), pay downgraded to 2.3% this year with 3% to only be reached in 2021 and not going to return to pre-crisis level until 2025 , debt down but only due to RBS shares being sold (at a loss of £26.2bn), stamp duty cut will push house prices up and is a failed policy, is angry at not getting Brexit information it asked for, cuts lifespan and expects less children, productivity slashed including record 4.6% for 2022 productivity rate

Overall: Hammond can't do anything immediately about how bad the country is in economically and he is facing a lot of problems, for his survival as chancellor he needed to avoid a clanger. He has done that (so far), whatever the econimic issues with stamp duty cut that is going to be hugely popular, though some money for social care would have been extremely wise as that could be a weak point to attack (they will be in a battle over NHS but he at least did something to lessen that). There will be frustration in political class, some of the cabinet, even Downing Street that on issues like housing, he has put in a bit, announced reviews but not gone as far as they would have hoped, the only really big push has been on Universal Credit changes. Hammond has probably done enough (bar social care) with funding to quiet immediate attacks but faced with challenges, Hammond did what he does. He is saving what little cash he has for future days, he dare not spend on things badly needed like housing reform becuase he sees Brexit coming up the hill and he is preparing all he has for that and a likely recession (we are about due one).


-Boris says Mugabe's fall leaves hopes for Zimbabwe, May welcomes his fall and hopes their economy can be rebuilt

-Apparently we are now at point where can be no general election for rest of year

-Mugabe was first mentioned in Hansard 46 years ago by Sir Alec Douglas-Home

-Government, to get Sir Grieve to drop his amendment, promises to review the way in which human rights would be affected by changes to the charter of fundamental rights caused by Brexit

- Labour amendment to retain the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights in UK law was defeated by just 10 votes though government did see out day three of Brexit bill undefeated

-MP's worried armed forces could lose ability to launch amphibious invasion

-First Minister Forster accuses Irish government of playing around with N.Ireland over Brexit and being reckless

-Brandon Lewis says EU citizens applying for settled status should find it as easy as getting a driving licence

-Scotland to have minimum pricing of alcohol from 1st May though rate not yet decided

-Public Accounts Committee says cost of Hinkley will hit poorest hardest

-Daily Mail, with a heavy heart, admits we may need to increase Brexit bill

-Rumours May is furious at how Hammond handled build up to budget

-Been noted Tory MPs tweeting a cropped Times headline that seems to say "Factory orders keep booming since Brexit". Uncropped the headline actually says "Factory orders keep booming since Brexit cut value of pound"

-Corbyn uses the one PMQ's nobody pays attention to to ask about Brexit. In budget Corbyn accuses government of finical tricks and record of failure

-Tory MP's delighted by stamp duty changes

-For first time in modern history that the official UK GDP growth forecasts are below 2% every single year over the forecast horizon (1.5%, 1.4%, two 1.3%, 1.6%)

-NHS England, warns since budget doesn't plug all the finical gap, waits likely to extend and debate has to be had as to what can be afforded

-Been noted Boris refereed to Ed Miliband's similar proposals on lankdbanking as similar to Mugabe. Miliband has tweeted "We should all be deeply concerned about the spread of authoritarian Marxist ideas to the most unlikely places...."


-Unhappiness at Lib Dem HQ as Sarah Olney resigns from being press officer so she can go back to campaigning in Richmond but remains as consultant

-Tracy Crouch says people are tired of daily reporting of Brexit

-Daniel Hannan (sun) says we are missing big picture on Brexit

-Molly Scott Cato bemoans economic impact of Brexit

-As Stephanie Flanders tweeted "Qte an achievement for small open economy like UK to be slashing growth forecasts when global economy enjoying most synchronised recovery since 2007 and our biggest trading partner is seeing best growth in a decade."


-Hardman hopeful for Vicotria Atkins

-Bush says Corbyn's Brexit strategy is an electorally successful and the Ian Murray row, not impressed by budget

-Kuessenberg on suspicions Ireland and EU using Irish border for own purposes

-Behr warns nothing Hammond does can deal with the culture problem for Tories

-Brian Taylor on Scottish Labour leader

-James Lansdale on a diplomatic blow

-Robert Peston expected dull budget

-Faisal Islam on a minority budget

-Sam Knight on Westminster and sexual misconduct

-Tony Connelly on Ireland Brexit tactics and stance
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