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National Heros

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:09 am
by urbanterrorist
This topic is dedicated to the heros of every country in the world. They can be political, military, or social people.
ex.

USA-All the Founding Fathers
Abe Lincoln
South Korea- Yi Soon Shin
Brazil- Pele
Jamica- Bob Marley

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:22 am
by Mike
Canada - I'm thinking Terry Fox...but I dunno...comments any of ye Canadians??

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:06 am
by No Bu
India- Mahatma Ghandi

Irag- Saladin

Mongolia- Ghengis Khan

France- Napoleon or Charlemagne

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:58 am
by Koichi
You guys notice it's interesting the national heroes don't all have the same occupation. That should say something about the nation, perhaps their situation or values.

Spain- El Cid
France- Joan of Arc
China- Yue Fei
US- George Washington
Turkey- Mustafa Kemal
Canada- Isaac Brock

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:15 am
by Duncan
Wales - Owen Glendower (sorry to any Welsh nationalists for the anglicisation), Gareth Edwards

Scotland - William Wallace, Jock Wallace

England - Thomas a Becket, Andrew Flintoff

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:39 pm
by KingofWei&Wu
Koichi- you beat me to Joan d'Arc :wink:

Serbia - Gavrilo Princip
Japan - Ieyasu Tokugawa?
Russia - Vladimir Lenin
Italy - Giuseppe Garibaldi
Burma - Aung San Ssu Kyi

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:10 pm
by SYL
Alexander Nevsky would be my choice of a Russian national hero, far and above Lenin.

As for the United Kingdom - Alfred the Great, King Henry V, Oliver Cromwell, Tom Paine, John Stewart Mill, Charles Darwin and George Orwell would be my picks (yes, I am greedy, and chose many). I refuse to include Winston Churchill, but I know that plenty would disagree with me.

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:16 pm
by Duncan
SYL wrote:As for the United Kingdom - Alfred the Great, King Henry V, Oliver Cromwell, Tom Paine, John Stewart Mill, Charles Darwin and George Orwell would be my picks (yes, I am greedy, and chose many). I refuse to include Winston Churchill, but I know that plenty would disagree with me.

Aren't all of these people English? Not very inclusive of our Irish, Welsh and Scots cousins.

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:46 pm
by Shield of Rohan
I'd definitely put Churchill as who I see as the UK "Hero".

For China and Taiwan, Guan Yu most certainly deserves mention. Korea, I agree with Yi Sun-shin.

For Russia, I'd much rather have medieval hero Nevsky than Lenin.

America, I'd have to say George W. Bush :P . Now that I got everyone's attention with that one, I'm pretty sure Americans would either put George Washington or Abraham Lincoln as the national hero.

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:31 pm
by SYL
Aren't all of these people English? Not very inclusive of our Irish, Welsh and Scots cousins.


No, they aren't all English, but I probably slipped up by saying "the United Kingdom" instead of England. King Alfred reigned at a time before such boundaries were drawn, and prevented the whole country from just becoming "Denmark", and the other was a Welshman who reigned over Wales, England and France at one point. ;) George Orwell was born in India and lived a good part of his life abroad, and Tom Paine in particular is a convincing candidate as a French, English and American national hero, no matter his place of birth, so how does one define "Englishness" or "Welshness"? National boundaries are trivial, not to mention problematic, when discussing such matters.

For the sake of argument, though, I'll accept that criticism and re-evaluate. Consider my above list "England". For Wales, Dylan Thomas, David Lloyd George and Aneurin Bevan get my pick. Scotland gets Robert the Bruce, William Wallace, Adam Smith, and Keir Hardie, the first Labour MP. To my detriment, I don't know much on Irish history, so if someone wants to pick up my slack, please do.

I'd definitely put Churchill as who I see as the UK "Hero".


Is this in view of his whole career, or just the "accepted" version based on his propagandised WW2 actions? Churchill was often a genuinely nasty piece of work, and even if we look at WW2, leaving Poland to it's fate in the cold manner he did was just unforgivable.

Some more, for fun and frolics:

Norway - Harald Fairhair, founder of the feudal Norse state.
Poland - Lech Walesa, or possibly the members of the Warsaw uprising, if it's possible to proclaim a large group of people as a collective "national hero".