National Heros

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Unread postby urbanterrorist » Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:30 am

urbanterrorist wrote:
China- Huang Fei Hong (tell me if this is the correct spelling)

Excellent. Wong Fei Hong is truly a cult classic. My favorite version of him on the movie screen would be with Jet Li.

redlion wrote:
And I think Nobunaga is JAPAN'S national hero, not koreas.

urbanterrorist meant that the Koreans view Nobunaga differently from the Japanese.


I agree 100%. redlion I never said that Oda was a hero to the Koreans.

Huang Fei Hong is such a coloful character. My favorite Movie with Jet Li would probably be Once Upon a Time in China II.
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Unread postby Koichi » Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:43 am

Err guys, Oda Nobunaga didn't bother the Koreans. At his death he only controlled 1/3 of Japan. If the Koreans have a peeve, it should be Nobunaga's successor, Toyotomi Hideyoshi. That man united Japan then started a war with Korea and China that lasted 5 years and thoroughly devastated the peninsula.
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Unread postby Shield of Rohan » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:28 am

redlion wrote:I'm surprised no ones commented on the Jim Carey comment (Canada Sucks) But FDR did do alot that hes not really celebrated for. Like aiding the allies against the Nazis and the great depression to name a few. And I think Nobunaga is JAPAN'S national hero, not koreas.


He did good in WWII, but he had an excellent administration around him and the best generals he could get on both fronts. Honestly, what do we revere him for there? WWII was the triumph of McArthur, or Eisenhower. Or the dual power of the economic team and the American population to turn America into a great war machine that could still survive at home.

And the Great Depression - he relied on Keynesian theory to save the national economy (something it isn't meant to do), and as figures show the depression had worsened between his election and World War II. Admiral Yamamoto deserves more credit than Roosevelt for fixing the economy :wink:
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Unread postby Duncan » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:04 am

So are you proposing Admiral Yamamoto as a US national hero? Its a point of view I suppose. :lol:

For Irish heros: Finn MacCool, Charles Stewart Parnell, Michael Collins, W B Yeats, Jack Charlton - and so as not to leave out the Ulster community - Cú Chulainn, Martin O'Neill and Ian Paisley.
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Unread postby redlion » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:06 am

You want to know what good US heroes are the Marines that fought on Wake Island.
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Unread postby Subotai » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:51 pm

Mao Zedong
Zhou Enlai
Kung Fuzi
Lao Tzu
George Washington
Sagacious Lu
Alfred the Great
William Wallace
Mencius
Xunzi
Qin Shi Huangdi
Temujin
Saladin
Richard the Lionheart
the Greeks at the Gate of Hell
Malcolm Little, aka Malcolm X
Jesus (not sure what country though)
Buddha (again)
Mohammad (again)
Catherine the Great
Joseph II
Frederick the Great
Barbarossa
the Common Man and Woman!
Johnny Cash

wouldnt put TR on the list, cause of his hardcore racist attitudes....
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Unread postby Guan Yunchang » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:40 pm

Subotai wrote:Mao Zedong
Zhou Enlai
Kung Fuzi
Lao Tzu
George Washington
Sagacious Lu
Alfred the Great
William Wallace
Mencius
Xunzi
Qin Shi Huangdi
Temujin
Saladin
Richard the Lionheart
the Greeks at the Gate of Hell
Malcolm Little, aka Malcolm X
Jesus (not sure what country though)
Buddha (again)
Mohammad (again)
Catherine the Great
Joseph II
Frederick the Great
Barbarossa
the Common Man and Woman!
Johnny Cash

wouldnt put TR on the list, cause of his hardcore racist attitudes....


You didn't put Teddy for his faults, yet you included Enlai and Zedong? Pricks.

No Martin Luther King Jr.? And yet you put Malcom X? How can you award a guy who fought racism with more racism?

Jesus is from and did all the work that makes him a hero today in Isreal, but let's be honest. I suppose the best bet for him would be Italy or South America in general.

Buddha is most revered in Sri Lanka.
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Unread postby DAv » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:14 pm

Here are a few British ones:

Winston Churchill.
Arthur Wellesley. (The Duke of Wellington)
John Churchill.
Oliver Cromwell.
Henry 5th.
Henry 7th.
Horatio Nelson.
Alfred the Great.
Elizabeth 1st.
William Gladstone.
Pitt the Younger.
Francis Drake.
Robin Hood. (Even if he's fake, he's still British)
Bernard Montgomery.
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Unread postby KingofWei&Wu » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:33 pm

For England, I'd probably say either Oliver Cromwell, Horatio Nelson, or Richard the Lionheart, with Wellington a close fourth. For Switzerland, perhaps William Tell. For Germany, I'm thinking Charlemagne or Martin Luther.

Robin Hood. (Even if he's fake, he's still British)


1: I think there are records of Sir Robert of Locksley, although I'm not sure.

2: I also think England's a little too capitalist for that. :P
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Unread postby redlion » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:29 pm

Us-Andrew Jackson, Tommy Chong, and Cheech Marin
Canada-Jim Carey/ Micheal Meyers
England-Winston Churchill
Germany-Martin Luther
Japan-Oda Nobunaga
Italy/Polland-Pope Jhon Paul 2
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