can any one in japans dynasty history match Zhuge Liang.

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can any one in japans dynasty history match Zhuge Liang.

Unread postby Lou Bert » Thu May 12, 2005 7:24 pm

What i mean is can any one in japans dynasty history match zhuge liangs Abilities as a war lord.
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Unread postby Zhang Liao17 » Fri May 13, 2005 12:46 am

Probably better suited for World History Deliberation. Moving.
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Unread postby Shortyafter » Fri May 13, 2005 1:19 am

I can't list a specific person, but I can say this: Zhuge Liang is not the best strategist ever. Just because the novel makes him look like it doesn't mean he is. Why must we compare everyone to him?
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Unread postby EVERYTHING » Fri May 13, 2005 2:35 am

This site does bear his name :P

Although I'd agree, the novel makes him sound like a god (from what I've read/heard). He was brilliant no doubt, but I'd say there are generals from any military age that could take him on.
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Unread postby bodidley » Fri May 13, 2005 3:44 am

Oda Nobunaga and Kusunoke Masashige were brilliant in both tactics and strategy. Uesugi Kenshin, Takeda Shingen, Tokugowa Ieyasu, and Toyotomi Hideyoshi were also clever strategists.
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Unread postby Jordan » Fri May 13, 2005 7:23 am

Masayuki Sanada. He repelled a force WAY bigger than his led by Hide Tokugawa. There are also several others like Hanbei Takenaka, Hideyoshi Hashiba, Shingen Takeda and Kenshin Uesugi who were brilliant strategists of the era.
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Unread postby Ma Chao of Xi Liang » Fri May 13, 2005 8:22 am

Uesugi Kenshin,Shingen Takeda,Toyotomi Hideyoshi,Oda Nobunaga,Tokugawa Leyasu were brilliant strategists that could maybe match Zhuge Liang.
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Unread postby Lafeel » Fri May 13, 2005 5:29 pm

Masa Sanada would have eaten Zhuge alive, even given identical armies. Masayuki is, in my opinion, a candidate for the greatest strategist in Japanese history (based on, among other things, information others have already pointed out)
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Unread postby Koichi » Fri May 13, 2005 5:50 pm

Lafeel wrote:Masa Sanada would have eaten Zhuge alive, even given identical armies. Masayuki is, in my opinion, a candidate for the greatest strategist in Japanese history (based on, among other things, information others have already pointed out)


Hmm does anyone have a detailed account of the siege of Ueda castle? Yes it was a neat defensive victory but would that make him a candidate for the greatest strategiest in Japanese history? After all, the Sanada family did delay Tokugawa Hidetada for only a few days. People remember them because those few days were enough to prevent his huge army from reinforcing his father at Sekigahara.
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Unread postby Mistelten » Fri May 13, 2005 5:53 pm

Sanada Masayuki was the Zhuge Liang of his day.
Uesugi Kenshin may have had a better chance in straightforward combat.

Transportation technology (for supplies) was better in the Sengoku era. That was one of Zhuge's strong points, so who knows.....
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