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Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:51 pm
by Elven Fury
Perhaps the South Betraying the US as a whole, suceeding and leaing to the Civil War, which has shaped American History forever... because we live in a Union style form of land and not a Confederatre form of land... and because of this and the focus of National Unity... has led America to become a Super Power in the world...

Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:28 pm
by Koichi
crashman wrote:Every line of Shoguns starts with a dark history. The very first Shogun was Minamoto Yoritomo. His brother was the legendary Minamoto Yoshisune; the victor of the three decisive battles of the Gempei war and all around hero. Instead of rewarding him for bringing him to power, Yoritomo has him killed and his son thrown into the sea. Not very grateful.


That's true let me add to this with the story of the Ashikaga Shogunate. Near the end of the Kamakura Shogunate (by then dominated by the Houjou clan), Emperor Go-Daigo led a rebellion hoping to replace the bakufu with Imperial rule. However, the independent-minded samurai saw that a powerful central authority was not in their interests, which could explain the following series of events. Ashikaga Takauji helped Emperor Go-Daigo overthrow the Houjou at Kamakura. Afterwards, he turned on the Emperor, defeating his followers led by the famous Kusunoki Masashige in a famous battle. The Emperor returned to the status of figurehead and a new shogunate with loose central authority presided over Japan.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:50 pm
by Xing Daorong
One ofthe most influential betrayals in history was the betrayal of the Scottish nobles to William Wallace in the 1300's. The U.K may have never formed if Wallace had the nobles on his side.

Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:59 pm
by KingofWei&Wu
No one's brought up Judas yet???
Either Judas or Marcus Brutus.

Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:38 am
by Xing Daorong
KingofWei&Wu wrote:No one's brought up Judas yet???
Either Judas or Marcus Brutus.



How the hell did I forget that one, Im Catholic!? But yeah that was a big betrayal.

Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:31 am
by Mistelten
Yeah, there was no more of a signifigant traitor than that. I just didn't think of him first off because it was already said that he was the traitor.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:06 pm
by Xing Daorong
I also think that whole Brutus, casius betrayal was signifagant too.

Unread postPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:32 pm
by Han Xin
America betrayal of South Vietnam throughout the Vietnam War :evil:

Unread postPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:24 pm
by Mistelten
You're joking right? Their complacent army was happier to walk the streets of Saigon with flowers in their helmet than to fight for their country.

Unread postPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:12 pm
by RedOctober
German Social Democratic Party