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Zhuge Liang=Terrorist? Red Cliffs=911?

Unread postby dengai » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:49 pm

If the three kingdoms happened in the present, do you think George Bush would see Zhuge as a terriost? if not, who do you think would be portrayed as a terrorist?
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Unread postby Li Ruiyue » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:52 pm

And why exactly would Zhuge Liang be seen as a terrorist?

Cao Cao, now that's someone who could be seen as a terrorist. Think about it, he manipulated the Emperor on so many occasions to get his way. Cao is usually referred to as a traitor in the novel, so it would make sense.
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Unread postby dengai » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:58 pm

Zhuge Liang is a terrorist because in the battle of red cliffs, he had no army but influenced someone else to attack wei.
Binladin=Zhuge
People who forced the plane to crash=Wu
Americans=Wei
American trade center= Chained ships
Airplanes that crashed= Ships filled with inflammables
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Unread postby robbyjo » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 pm

Wow, I thought that your imagination is a bit too far fetched, fella! :)

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Unread postby Kong Wen » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:21 pm

To be honest, this kind of wild comparison can be drawn between nearly any two ideas or concepts.

Do you think Cao Pi and Cao Zhi`s relationship mirrors the relationship of the USA and USSR during the cold war...
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Unread postby Strong Bad » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:29 pm

dengai, as well as you try to pin the I.D.'s upon the parties involved in both attacks, you have to realize the line between war and terrorism. And yes, they are two very different things. War is the usage of manpower and machine power to overthrow an adversary with the hopes of either destroying him or assimilating him into your collective to ensure either the safety of your nation or the expansion of your power. Terrorism is the tactic of purposefully causing fear in a nation through violence as a way of attempting to weaken and demoralize a nation. The battle of Chi Bi was war. Wei attacked Wu, Wu (and a little bit of Shu) defended its land, and Wu won through good tactics. September eleventh was terrorism. Al Qaida sought to demoralize the American nation and also attempted to ruin our economy and defense by making a random attack upon the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (and what would have apparently been the White House if the fourth plane had not been retaken and crashed into the ground at Pennsylvania). Seeing the difference between these two concepts can answer your question wholly.
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Unread postby dengai » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:33 pm

Strong Bad wrote:Terrorism is the tactic of purposefully causing fear in a nation through violence as a way of attempting to weaken and demoralize a nation.


Didn't Zhuge Liang cause fear in Cao Cao? Wasn't weakening and demoralizing Wei the whole point?
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Unread postby robbyjo » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:59 pm

Hey, the same thing could be said to WW2: Did MacArthur cause Japan to cower? I guess so.

The fundamental difference is that in WW2 or in ZGL position, the countries were aware that they were indeed in war. In Bush case (arguably), US wasn't at war.

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Unread postby Kong Wen » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:12 pm

dengai wrote:Didn't Zhuge Liang cause fear in Cao Cao? Wasn't weakening and demoralizing Wei the whole point?

No, defeating Wei's armies in military combat was the point.
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Re: Zhuge Liang=Terrorist? Red Cliffs=911?

Unread postby Sky Scorcher » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:29 am

dengai wrote:If the three kingdoms happened in the present, do you think George Bush would see Zhuge as a terriost? if not, who do you think would be portrayed as a terrorist?


I wouldn't use the word "terrorist," because it wasn't for religious or political gain. It was a battle for land that determined the fate of Wu and Liu Bei.
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