dengai wrote:How do you think Sun Quan knows that Wei Yan is rebelious and ambitious? What did Wei YAn do to prove his ambition and disloyalty?
Do you think Wei Yan is rebelious?
White Horse General wrote:he burned the plank road to try and prevent retreat from a campaign that even the lowest ranking officer at that point knew was doomed to failure. He chose to kill everyone rather than try and save resources and that's not a betrayal of all Shu had given him?
It could be that Zhuge Liang expected Wei Yan to turn over to Wei, but the only source of such an accusation was Yang Yi, who was passed up for the succession of Zhuge Liang’s position. Thus the charges on Wei Yan become suspect and readers of the historical accords may feel that Wei Yan was treated unfairly. (Source: The Moss Roberts commentary of SGYY [Kongming and the Northern Campaigns]).
Stedfel wrote: I don't see how the campaign was doomed to failure. Zhuge Liang was a good strategist, but Shu had a few that were just as good. Wei Yan, in my opinion, was just as good, if not better. Wei Yan provided a srategy that most likely would have caused a specific campaign to end in victory, but was ignored by Zhuge, and the campaign was defeated. Let me provide a quote about the death of Wei Yan and Zhuge Liang's last campaign.
Wei Yan was a member of Zhuge Liang’s inner circle of friends and plays a prominent role in the northern campaigns. Wenchang urges Kongming to strike Chang An directly, however the cautious Kongming decided to maneuver through Longyou instead and did not succeed in capturing any cities. Later many people thought that perhaps Wei Yan’s plan had merit.
White Horse General wrote:As I said, it would have left them open to being surrounded and cut off. Hence is why, as your quote titled him, the more cautious Kongming chose to ignore it. Kongming's course was basically designed to steadily gain ground so they always had a way out in case they needed in. Which was brilliant since supply problems basically forced them to make use of it.
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