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Saving Liu Chan, an act of heroism, or a mistake...

Unread postby Da_Chicago_Jigalo » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:22 am

When Zhao Yun saved Liu Chan, was he doing a good thing. I mean, Liu Chan basically brought the downfall of Shu. If u ask me, Liu Feng would have made a much better Emperor. But even though Liu Feng was killed, someone would have been better than Liu Chan.

What I ask is, was it a good thing that Zhao Yun saved Liu Chan, or a bad thing?
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Unread postby Waking Dragon » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:05 am

God bless Zhao Yun for what he had done for his lord...Dashing through enemy lines to save his young lord Liu Chan...Zhao Yun's bravery was truly unequalled...Yes, i understand Jigalo...Liu Chan was one of the major factors of Shu's downfall, I agree...but the fact that Zhao Yun was Ok at da end, it didn't matter that much...I see wat ur sayin though...very good question...guess it's the fact that no one knew that Liu Chan would be raised to be a fool...
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Unread postby Zhao Yun of Changshan » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:12 am

No one can tell what the future will bring. Zhao Yun was focusing on the 'now' event which was simply saving Lui Chan. I'm sure the thought of Lui Chan becomming a horrible ruler never even crossed his mind while he was combating hordes of enemies in order to save the little suckling.
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Unread postby Exar Kun » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:54 pm

Act of bravery.
Zhao Yun isn't Guan Lu or Zuo Ci,he couldn't know that Liu Shan would be an indifferent ruler.
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:54 pm

I don't see how it could be considered a "mistake" to rescue your liege's son from doom. That is nothing less than an act of duty (and bravery, depending on the circumstances--as in this case).

Just because Liu Shan didn't turn out so well doesn't mean Zhao Yun had anything to do with it or knew anything about it.
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Unread postby harshbarge » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:18 pm

saying that zhao yun shouldnt have saved liu chan is like saying Dian Wei shouldnt have saved Cao Cao because his descendants were terrible
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Unread postby KingofWei&Wu » Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:04 pm

Kong Wen wrote:I don't see how it could be considered a "mistake" to rescue your liege's son from doom. That is nothing less than an act of duty (and bravery, depending on the circumstances--as in this case).

Just because Liu Shan didn't turn out so well doesn't mean Zhao Yun had anything to do with it or knew anything about it.


yes, it's not like he saw the future and plotted a big conspiracy leading to the downfall of the Shu. :lol:
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Unread postby Liu Pi » Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:16 pm

Although i don't like Liu Shan i don't blame Shu Han's downfall on him alone. Many people forget that Huang Hao is just as guilty as Liu Shan if not more so. Zhao Yun did the right thing at Chang Ban, it also makes Wu-ists and Wei-ists jealous :D.
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Unread postby KingofWei&Wu » Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:19 pm

Liu Pi wrote:Although i don't like Liu Shan i don't blame Shu Han's downfall on him alone. Many people forget that Huang Hao is just as guilty as Liu Shan if not more so. Zhao Yun did the right thing at Chang Ban, it also makes Wu-ists and Wei-ists jealous :D.


jealous of what? :?:
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Unread postby Shield of Rohan » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:11 pm

Jealous that none of your generals ran though enemy lines to rescue an infant :P . No really, Zhao Yun did the right and heroic thing, and who could have guessed it probably would have been better to run with Liu Bei and forget the kid.
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