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Sima Yi: Victimised more than anyone?

Unread postby Lord_Zhuge000 » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:01 pm

Does anyone think Sima Yi got a really harsh deal of things?
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Unread postby Li Zhen » Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:03 pm

I don't see what things were done unto him which count as harsh, but whatever they were, he certainly deserved them. The damn rebel! :rangry:
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Unread postby Destiny Edge » Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:59 pm

Li Zhen wrote:I don't see what things were done unto him which count as harsh, but whatever they were, he certainly deserved them. The damn rebel! :rangry:

Ha. He definitely did not deserve them. He merely insitigated the usurpment of Wei in the same way that Cao Cao did to the Han. If anything, that was his reward for being treated like he was by Wei officials most of the time. The only thing he deserved was enjoying Jin's reign in his own lifetime.
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Unread postby Exar Kun » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:17 pm

Except that Cao Cao actually had some high ground for taking over Han.It's not easy but I have made cases for Cao being innocent in this matter.

Sima Yi can't state any reason why he should have taken over cept for being a no good traitor.
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Unread postby Destiny Edge » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:55 pm

Exar Kun wrote:Except that Cao Cao actually had some high ground for taking over Han.It's not easy but I have made cases for Cao being innocent in this matter.

Sima Yi can't state any reason why he should have taken over cept for being a no good traitor.

The fact that the Wei ruler was weak enough for it to happen is reason enough, in my opinion.
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Unread postby Exar Kun » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:58 pm

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Exar Kun wrote:Except that Cao Cao actually had some high ground for taking over Han.It's not easy but I have made cases for Cao being innocent in this matter.

Sima Yi can't state any reason why he should have taken over cept for being a no good traitor.

The fact that the Wei ruler was weak enough for it to happen is reason enough, in my opinion.


That still breaks his pledge of allegiance to the ruler however.
Cao Cao's pledge can be considered to have been set aside due to the political climate but Sima has no such reason.

If it was considered okay for subjects to rise up and dethrone any ruler that wasn't iron fist strong,then there'd be permanent anarchy.
That kind of ideal is reminescent of the Sith Empire from Star Wars.
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Unread postby harshbarge » Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:51 pm

By harsh treatment are you reffering to when he was sent away to do nothing for awhile? Or the way he is protrayed in the book?
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Unread postby Wu Chun » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:12 pm

Sima Yi was good at what he did, no matter what happened in the end, he was a good advisor and was needed for wei to succeed, his treatment was harsh at times but maybe motivated him to work harder
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Unread postby TheMightyXuHuang » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:09 pm

He was one of the over "hated" generals
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Unread postby Lord_Zhuge000 » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:56 am

harshbarge wrote:By harsh treatment are you reffering to when he was sent away to do nothing for awhile? Or the way he is protrayed in the book?


I mean the way Cao Cao forced him into service and how he was resented by the other Wei generals.
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