If Guan Yu would have taken Cao Cao prisoner

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Unread postby Sima Hui » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:09 pm

More than three generals? Name them!

And for goodness sake, the "Well done old chap," is just a metaphor. Plus, have you even read the book? Read it and you'll see about Zhou Yu trying to have Zhuge Liang killed, before the battle as well as saying, "Liu Bei must be eliminated! before the battle!
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Unread postby Guan Zhi Sun of Guan Yu » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:19 pm

Sima Hui wrote:More than three generals? Name them!

Sorry thought you ment officers too. But anyway there was Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Zhao Zilong, Liu Bei, Guan Ping, Zhou Cang, Mi Fang...pratically all of Tao Qians officers.

Advisors-I know there was only one but there was alot of capable advisors too. Mi Zhu and Sun Qian for example.

Then this would change history so maybe alot more officers would come to Liu Bei. Then the plot where emperor Xian tried to unite Ma Teng and Liu Bei together might of succeded. Theres how many more generals. Ma Chao, Ma Teng, Han Sui, Pang De, Cheng Yi, and also Chengs brother (whatever his name is) :lol:
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Unread postby Wu Chun » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:24 pm

It would be a race, the west would not do anything, the north in conqured and Liu Bei and Sun Quan would be the only to trying to control the middle lands. But Liu Bei could more likely win people over without war, this will make up in the lack of soldiers
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Unread postby Guan Zhi Sun of Guan Yu » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:32 pm

Wu Chun wrote:It would be a race, the west would not do anything, the north in conqured and Liu Bei and Sun Quan would be the only to trying to control the middle lands. But Liu Bei could more likely win people over without war, this will make up in the lack of soldiers


Are you meaning the wast as Ma Teng too?? Cause Ma Teng would have charged Wei and probalby with all his able officers could have done a lot of damage. Or quite possibly Ma Teng would have surrendered to Liu Bei since Liu Bei was a true subject to the Han. That would give Liu Bei all of Liang and most of Yong.
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Unread postby Wu Chun » Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:37 pm

I agree with you, Ma Teng would charge tward Luo Yang, i dont know who was station to guard that post at the time, but assuming its some insignificant officers to guard that area it would be easy, but its immpossible to predict what each govener would do.
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Unread postby harshbarge » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:02 pm

Sorry thought you ment officers too. But anyway there was Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Zhao Zilong, Liu Bei, Guan Ping, Zhou Cang, Mi Fang...pratically all of Tao Qians officers

Liu Bei- leader, hardly a general
Zhou Cang- never existed
Guan Ping and Mi Fang- hardly impressive generals

Who would have killed Cao Cao, who was the one with the plan to set a fire all the ships, who was the one who chained all the ships together??? SHU (or Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang, and Pang Tong


Pang tong didnt have a large in fluence at this time. I dont know what you think Liu Bei did. Fire was Zhou yu's plan as well(remember when they both wrote fire on their hands). The fire attack and the ships movement was a result of Zhou Yu,Huang Gai and Cheng Pu. It was Gan Ning, Zhou Tai, Han Dang, Lu Meng who fought on the ships. Even though Zhao Yun and Zhang Fei were probably the greatest generals of the era, at Chi Bi They just crushed some soilders who had gotten sick, burned up, rained on,starved and forced to march for their lives.

Guan yu made a big reputation with the officers over there and could easily persuade a city to surrender and join them


If it was that easy for him to capture a city how come he never did it?
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Unread postby Wu Chun » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:09 pm

If it was that easy for him to capture a city how come he never did it?

I am saying the generals of wei admired and respected him for his loyalty and powress. If we came to talk to them after their ruler was slain, alot of them would submit out of respect
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Unread postby harshbarge » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:10 pm

Wouldnt their allegience go to Cao's heir?
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Unread postby Wu Chun » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:12 pm

harshbarge wrote:Wouldnt their allegience go to Cao's heir?

I dont think Cao Cao had an Hei at that time, if so it would be Cao Ang, and i dont think he was ready for that position, it would be like a Liu shang or something,
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Unread postby Sima Hui » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:20 pm

Cao Ang: Dead.

Cao Pi: Probably not heir.

Cao Zhang: No.

Cao Zhi: Probably.

The factions would have fought it out between Cao Pi and Cao Zhi who were the two most favoured sons.
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