Guan Suo

[Chen Zhen]

anybody please tell me what chapter he first appeared?
and his historical description too

[Jimayo]

anybody please tell me what chapter he first appeared?
and his historical description too

I dunno what chapter he first appeared in(although I know when, it was just as ZL started out into the man's territory), but he is a totally fictional character. There is no evidence he ever existed.

[Chen Zhen]

anyway, i heard he (guan suo) was worshiped as a god
i don't remember where i read those
i'll find out more tomorrow :sleepy:

[Chen Zhen]

i think i found that one
if you have the novel 1994 edition, you can look up in note for chapter 19 , page 1019-1020

[KINGSHAMOKE71]

Yeah, Guan Suo didn't exist.

[Wen Choung]

There is no evidence he ever existed.

Just because there is no evidence doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't exist, does it? I also heard that he doesn't exist and for the most part, believe that, but isn't there anything else that tells us whether or not he existed?

[Jimayo]

Just because there is no evidence doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't exist, does it? I also heard that he doesn't exist and for the most part, believe that, but isn't there anything else that tells us whether or not he existed?

Considering that all 25 of Cao Cao's sons were documented I'm sure that if Guan Yu would of had a 3rd son he would of been listed somewhere.

[Pang Shiyuan]

There is no evidence he ever existed.

Just because there is no evidence doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't exist, does it? I also heard that he doesn't exist and for the most part, believe that, but isn't there anything else that tells us whether or not he existed?

Nope. No mention of Guan Suo in SGZ, SGZYP, Pei Songzhi's version of SGZ....etc.

He only appeared in SGYY, which is notorious for adding fictional themes to the Three Kingdoms history. Therefore, Jimayo is correct in stating Guan Suo was more or less non-existent.

[Zhou Gongjin]

I wouldn't say Guan Suo is fictional, but I will say that its possible for Guan Suo to be the daughter of Guan Yu.
Even in SGYY, Guan Suo is never on the frontlines like Guan Ping (I am not counting Guan Xing because he was a civil officer) and was always staying behind with Zhuge Liang, especially in the battles against the Nanman.
Here are a few possible reasons:

- LGZ did not include Guan Suo in battles because it could not be proven historically and the battles would be too different
- LGZ felt that after the death of Guan Yu and Guan Ping there needed to be another Guan who would play a role in SGYY, since Guan Xing was not a warrior and his sons were not old enough, he used the daughter that was described as a lion (excuse my shoddy memory of SGYY on this one) and wasn't married to the Wu family as kind of a replacement
- If I remember, Guan Yu had only one daughter, but not more than three sons, therefore there cannot be another son even if he's adopted, now it would only be logical to assume that LGZ would use the only other living relative of Guan Yu, that being his daughter

[Pang Shiyuan]

I wouldn't say Guan Suo if fictional, but I will say that its possible for Guan Suo to be the daughter of Guan Yu.
Even in SGYY, Guan Suo is never on the frontlines like Guan Ping (I am not counting Guan Xing because he was a civil officer) and was always staying behind with Zhuge Liang, especially in the battles against the Nanman.

Quite right. Guan Xing was only given the post of Shi Zhong and Zhong Jiang Jun whilst under Zhuge Liang.

- LGZ did not include Guan Suo in battles because it could not be proven historically and the battles would be too different

Exactly. Guan Suo's involvement was fictional and just a figment of LGZ's imagination (gone haywire, or course).

- LGZ felt that after the death of Guan Yu and Guan Ping there needed to be another Guan who would play a role in SGYY, since Guan Xing was not a warrior and his sons were not old enough, he used the daughter that was described as a lion (excuse my shoddy memory of SGYY on this one) and wasn't married to the Wu family as kind of a replacement

I think his daughter was described as a "tiger (Not that it makes any difference really)

Zhuge Jin must have been crazy to propose to marry Guan Yu's daughter in SGYY, haha

Anyway, if I remember correctly, Guan Yu's daughter did not go by the name "Guan Suo". It is however quite possible that LGZ created Guan Suo to make the later stages of SGYY more interesting.

- If I remember, Guan Yu had only one daughter, but not more than three sons, therefore there cannot be another son even if he's adopted, now it would only be logical to assume that LGZ would use the only other living relative of Guan Yu, that being his daughter

Guan Tong (Guan Xing's son) was alive and well during that period.