Funkill wrote:DO you think Liu CHan is a stupid one ?
Exar Kun wrote:Funkill wrote:DO you think Liu CHan is a stupid one ?
Stupid?I doubt that.Not in the sense that he's retarded or brain damaged as everyone says.
I think his problem was just indifference more than anything else.
Wanghui wrote:Funkill wrote:DO you think Liu CHan is a stupid one ?
For his habit drink and play woman , listen to the evil eunuch, give his country to Jin, he can consider to be a stupid one
I've thought about that one too... was he really all that stupid in surrendering Shu to Wei? (Shan surrendered around the year AD 264; Wei wasn't renamed Jin until around or after the year AD 265) I mean, let's think about it. If he had continued the resistance of Shu against Wei, what good would that have done him, or Shu, anyways? The Northern Campaigns against Wei had pretty much failed and Zhuge Liang was gone, so continuing that battle would have just ruined Shu even more than the Northern Campaigns into Wei had, both in resources and in manpower, and Shan himself might not have been treated as he was if he had not surrendered. Heck, even had Zhuge Liang still been alive, I don't believe that Shu could have stood a chance for long, personally. So was it really that stupid to surrender? Call it cowardice, or whatever you like, for that matter, but I think that when Liu Shan surrendered to Deng Ai, although probably not for the most righteous of reasons, it more than likely spared Shu from any further potential losses that would have occured had he not surrendered. Does this make any sense at all?Wanghui wrote:give his country to Jin, he can consider to be a stupid one
I like how people use the terms ah dou in present days now. ah dou means Liu ShanKong Wen wrote:I split this topic away from the Three Kingdoms Questions thread, because there is a lot more potential for discussion on this issue than one or two quick posts could accomplish.
So, is Liu Shan just plain stupid? Koei sure seems to think so.
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