Exar Kun wrote:But the truth is that if Liu Zhang had just not closed the passes,Liu Bei might probably have just left in peace.
Kong Wen wrote:Exar, Exar, Exar, you and I both know this isn't true. The possession of Yi was firmly entrenched in Zhuge Liang's mind from day one. He would have made sure that Liu Bei ended up there sometime, somehow.
Exar Kun wrote:I think that Liu Bei's actions were wrong in the sense that he deceived Liu Zhang but I cannot consider his actions a real betrayal since they had no actual agreement.
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