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Unread postby Master Zhuge Liang » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:22 am

This is probably the most stupidest question you'll ever see.
Did they actually fight in battles? and did they fight with fans?
Well the same question really goes with Zhen Ji and Zhu Rong and Maybe Sun Shang Xiang and Yue Ying

And what where their names, was Xiao Qiao Lady Wu or some thing like that?
because SSX was called Lady Sun, so what was Zhen Ji, Yue Ying, Zhu Rong, Da Qiao And Xiao Qiao called?
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Unread postby Elemental » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:44 am

I seriously doubt they fought in battles. It's pretty obvious that Koei put them in battles just to have girl characters... because no girls were part of the army back then.

Sun Shang Xiang, however, is a girl who was recorded as having skill in fighting. Her handmaidens all carried swords. But she never fought in a battle, I don't believe.

They were probably called, Lady Sun, Lady Zhen, Lady Yue, Lady Zhu, Lady Qiao, Lady Qiao... etc.
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Unread postby Master Zhuge Liang » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:45 am

Thanx, Lady Qiao And Lady Qiao would get a bit confusing if they was in the same room or next to each other, Lolz
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Unread postby BlueDragon » Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:37 am

The only woman ever recorded fighting in battle was Zhu Rong and (I think) she fought with a sword. But yes, Lady Sun (also known as Sun Shang Xiang in DW4, Sun Li in Kessen II and Sun Ren in some historic records) was interested in war and trained her handmaidens to fight.
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Unread postby Master Zhuge Liang » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:17 pm

For Self Deffence then, just incase there was an ambush
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Unread postby RyoHazuki » Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:35 pm

Self Defense? Sure why not?

But then I doubt anyone would lead an army against Lady Sun.An Ambush? :roll: Depends on what kind of Ambush? A small one,perhaps (maybe 10 men with the help of her bodyguards) but thats only an if.An ambush for an army? Well shes got to be drinking pleanty of milk thats for sure O_o Its most likely then that any woman of that time would have surrendered (be it through death or as a hostage)

I think the first real female warrior in china was Mulan,which was much later in China's history.
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Unread postby three63 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:30 pm

Soorry to break that this to
you but I relly doubt that mulan
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Unread postby Shadowlink » Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:49 pm

I don't think the Qiao sister ever fought in history, only Zhu rong did and Sun Shang Xiang is only good in fighting but never show it off
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Re: Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao

Unread postby Morg » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:53 pm

Master Zhuge Liang wrote:Did they actually fight in battles? and did they fight with fans?

No and no. No women fought in battles and fans do not work very well against spears.


Well the same question really goes with Zhen Ji and Zhu Rong and Maybe Sun Shang Xiang and Yue Ying

No women ever fought historically in the Three Kingdoms period. Zhu Rong was the only woman to fight in the novel, but historically she didn't exist.



And what where their names, was Xiao Qiao Lady Wu or some thing like that?
because SSX was called Lady Sun, so what was Zhen Ji, Yue Ying, Zhu Rong, Da Qiao And Xiao Qiao called?
Please Help me

Xiao Qiao and Da Qiao were not mentioned by name in the novel. Their father's family name is Qiao, so KOEI (makers of Dynasty Warriors) added Xiao and Da to give them names (Xiao means small, Da means big).

Zhen Ji was known as Empress Zhen, the 'Ji' bit of her name is debatable. She has a historical biography here:
http://kongming.net/novel/sgz/empresszhen.php

Yue Ying was known as Lady Huang. It was her father (Huang Chenyan) who helped Lu Xun out of the 8 Maze Aarray (Stone Sentinel Maze)

Zhu Rong did not historically exist, but she was known as Lady Zhurong in the novel. Zhurong is the god of fire and her name is taken from there. A biography of her based on the novel is here:
http://kongming.net/novel/sgyy/zhurong.php

Just to clarify, Lady Sun's name was not recorded in history, but the name Sun Ren was given to her in the novel. I'm not sure where KOEI got Sun Shang Xiang from.

Hope that helps.
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Unread postby Master Zhuge Liang » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:57 pm

Thanx, that helped a lot. thanx ^_^
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