Great Deer wrote:1) In such a scenario, do you think the three kingdoms era would last the same amount of time, or longer, or shorter compared to history?
Great Deer wrote:2) Would the Shu-Wei alliance achieve more than the Shu-Wu alliance in history?
Great Deer wrote:3) What would the situation be like at those potential areas of conflicts (e.g. Han Zhong, He Fei)??
Great Deer wrote:4) If given more/less resources, who would shine more brightly and who would fade away?
1) In such a scenario, do you think the three kingdoms era would last the same amount of time, longer, or shorter compared to history?
2) Would the Shu-Wei alliance achieve more than the Shu-Wu alliance in history?
3) What would the situation be like at those potential areas of conflicts (e.g. Han Zhong, He Fei)??
4) If given more/less resources, who would shine more brightly and who would fade away?
Exar Kun wrote:Defeats for Wu.At the end of the day,Wu's best are no match for the power of Shu and Wei's best.Without the catastrophic Jingzhou debacle,Shu would still be strong and they could crack through Liangzhou while Wei storms He Fei.
Despite these greater resources,I don't think it will make too much of a difference for Quan.Despite his major resource advantage over Shu he never did more damage to Wei than they did.
Their best is definately a match for the best of Shu and Wei. In many of their conflicts they have tons of unsung heros. For example in 222 Wei attacked with Zhang Liao. Zhang He, Cao Zhen, Xu Huang, Cao Ren, Zang Ba, Cao Xiu, and more. Wu defended with Zhuge Jin, Pan Zhang, Lu Fan, Zhu Huan, XU Sheng, and I think Zhu Ran. Most people would not name any of those guys if they asked for the best Wu generals. This shows that even Wu's other generals can give a thrashing to Wei even when outnumbered. If they can do this when outnumbered, having mroe resources would be a huge advantage.
Not a fair comparison. Shu and Wu were fighting on different front and different places. Neither side once in their final positions made any headway and that should be expected. According to ZZTJ 6 million people lived above the YangTze 1 million in Shu and another 2 million in Wu Provinces. This translates to armies (also recorded) of 600,000, 100,000 and 200,000 respectively. Now this may seem like Wu has a major advantage but they don't These troops have to be spread across the whole YangTze, stationed in the south to deal with the Nanyue, in addition to keeping a Rescue force near Shu from time to time. Shu only had to worry about HanZhong and station troops there. Shu also had less responsiblities to the alliance. A retreating Shu army is going to end up in HanZhong and can easily get home and rally to defend it. A Wu army may return to JiangLing and a major attack can be launched at RuXu with most of Wu's army in Jing. So Wu had more land to defend and was easier to attack from Wei (geographically) so their resource "advatange" only puts them on an equal playing field. Also Wei had so many more troops then both Shu and Wu that neither stood much of a chance in putting a dent in Wei in their own right.
Lu Kang wrote:First Wei has no good naval commanders so Wu, with its good naval commanders, would have no problem securing a front on the other side of the YangTze and from there Wei would fall.
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