Pang De, Yu Jin and Guan Yu.

Join the Romance of the Three Kingdoms discussion with our resident Scholars. Topics relating to the novel and history are both welcome. Don't forget to check the Forum Rules before posting.
Kongming’s Archives: Romance of the Three Kingdoms
Three Kingdoms Officer Biographies
Three Kingdoms Officer Encyclopedia
Scholars of Shen Zhou Search Tool

Unread postby Han Liang » Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:36 pm

I think Wei would have lost otherwise. If they had killed Guan Yu instead of Wu, Liu Bei and Sun Quan would have still been allies. Liu Bei would probably not die. Wei would die, Jin would die prematurely, Wu and Shu would consolidate and rule China.

Of course that's idealistic. Then again, so are Liu Bei, Sun Jian/Ce/Quan, and Cao Cao.
User avatar
Han Liang
Scholar of Shen Zhou
 
Posts: 671
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:16 pm
Location: NO MORE CELERY MONSTER!

Unread postby Separation Anxiety » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:56 pm

Liu Bei and Sun Quan would not ally because the conflict over Jingzhou. There was much tension between the Sun's and Liu's at this point and I doubt Wu would turn on Wei that quickly to go to Shu who deprived them of Jingzhou for many many years.
Separation Anxiety
Scholar of Shen Zhou
 
Posts: 3467
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 9:40 pm
Location: The search party never came...

Unread postby Han Liang » Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:10 pm

Dian_Wei wrote:Liu Bei and Sun Quan would not ally because the conflict over Jingzhou. I doubt Wu would turn on Wei that quickly to go to Shu


They were already, to an extent, allies in that they mutually antagonized Wei. At this point, Wu has not submitted to Wei yet. If Liu Bei had not gone on a mad Wu-hating campaign, something would have been preserved.
User avatar
Han Liang
Scholar of Shen Zhou
 
Posts: 671
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:16 pm
Location: NO MORE CELERY MONSTER!

Unread postby Separation Anxiety » Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:15 am

Actually at this point Wu and Wei were allies. Wu had told Wei that they would attack Jingzhou as soon as Wei attacked on land and thus crush them in a pincer. This was Lu Meng's plan for Wu to go to war. Sima Yi told Cao to ally with Wu and take out Shu. Then when Wu was deciding who to ally with they sent an envoy to Guan Yu to arrange a marriage. Guan Yu spurned the offer so Wu allied with Wei, which led to the fall of Jingzhou and Guan Yu to Wu.
Separation Anxiety
Scholar of Shen Zhou
 
Posts: 3467
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 9:40 pm
Location: The search party never came...

Unread postby Master Kongming » Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:13 am

Zhuge liang would have taken Jing easily, but it likely would have led to another large-scale battle such as Guan Du or Chi Bi
User avatar
Master Kongming
Initiate
 
Posts: 76
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:26 am

Unread postby Separation Anxiety » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:24 pm

Master Kongming wrote:Zhuge liang would have taken Jing easily, but it likely would have led to another large-scale battle such as Guan Du or Chi Bi


What do you have to support this? Guan Yu just died, the Southland was invading Jingzhou, and Wei was stationed there. Zhuge Liang was sorely outnumbered. This would be a lot like Chi Bi. Except the side with one ruler would be outnumbered. And if you remember Wu has the naval fleet, Wei has the infantry/cavalry to fight on land. What advantages would Shu have in attacking Jingzhou, first they would be annihilated by Wu's marines, then Weis army would march right over them. Then perhaps that would lead to a war over Jingzhou, if Wei did not give it to Wu as the deal went.
Separation Anxiety
Scholar of Shen Zhou
 
Posts: 3467
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 9:40 pm
Location: The search party never came...

what would happen

Unread postby SamSpade21 » Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:33 pm

Well, for all the If this and If that's...here's what I think would still happen:

Army Inspector Cheng He would still be humiliated by Yu Jin because Jin's arrogance is still present. :lol:

Sam
SamSpade21
Initiate
 
Posts: 77
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:19 pm
Location: The Korova Milkbar

Previous

Return to Sanguo Yanyi Symposium

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

Copyright © 2002–2008 Kongming’s Archives. All Rights Reserved