Wizardman wrote:Let's see. If there was a very weak ruler who you could easily beat, and you needed some land, would you attack? Liu Bei did what was right.
Six_and_Up wrote:Firstly just to clarify, didnt Fa Zheng join with Liu Bei before his campaigns in Yizhou? I remember Fa Zheng and Pang Tong both encouraging Liu Bei to kill Liu Zhang in the banquet.
Blue Moon Samurai wrote:And Lady Wu...I'm don't know you that well but I'm guessing that you dont really like Shu and Liu Bei?
(From Romance of the Three Kingdoms Chapter 60)
"You know these surroundings---Sun Quan in the east and Cao Cao in the north---, and with them you cannot attain your ends. Now before you lies a populous, fertile, and rich land, a base with the greatest possibilities. You have the promise of assistance from two men within, and it seems like a gift of providence. Why hesitate?"
"Now there are two men in the world as mutually antagonistic as fire and water. My opposite is Cao Cao. He is impetuous and I am long suffering; he is cruel and I am humane; he feigns while I am true. In all particulars I act the direct contrary to him. I refuse to risk the loss of the confidence and trust of the world for a trifling advantage
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