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Unread postby Lord Yuan Shao » Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:52 am

All this late info contains relatively little historical info about the Yuan Brothers so my my post of Shao´s intentions was not answered...

Is like to say:"Yeah...but at least...Cao Cao won"...it´s very easy to say but if we not seek the details of Yuan Shao´s defeat...we will debating this again and again.

Cao Cao won Lu Bu , Cao Cao won Yuan Shao , Cao Cao won Liu Bei , Cao Cao won Sun Quan... (the true truth)

Cao Cao was too good in strategy! Why complain about Yuan Shao´s methods? All the Empires have fallen in a battle with Wei...
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Unread postby Sun Zhongmou » Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:46 am

Cao Cao won Sun Quan... (the true truth)


Just barely. Sun Quan manipulated both Cao Cao and Cao Pi and he ended up staying on top of the game. He never got crushed like Lu Bu, Yuan Shao or even Liu Bei. Not even close.
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Unread postby Cao Zhi » Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:24 am

Sun Zhongmou wrote:Sun Quan manipulated both Cao Cao and Cao Pi and he ended up staying on top of the game. He never got crushed like Lu Bu, Yuan Shao or even Liu Bei. Not even close.


This is true. Sun Quan was smart enough to listen to his intelligent advisors and ministers, unlike Lu Bu and Yuan Shao. Furthermore, Sun Quan had more resources and loyalty from his officers and common people than did Lu Bu and Yuan Shao.
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Unread postby Lord Yuan Shao » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:19 am

It´s true..but that not was sufficient to the Wu Empire.It´s desconcerting that the Wu Empired ended crushed by the Sima Familiy after hearing all that internal strife between own Sun members.They killed themselves,no matters how Sun Quan managed to mock them.

About Cao Cao...he was good,but as well a lucky guy..he was in the point of being killed so many times...I name Ji Ping(the doctor in care of him in Dong Cheng´s group of loyal officers like Huang Zifu,Ma Teng,etc...), Guan Yu after the hunting party with Liu Bei and the Emperor Xian,etc,etc.

After Lu Bu and Yuan Shao deaths and the anihilation(by causes of the fate,maybe)of the last groups of loyal supporters...Cao Cao no has known a truly dangerous rival...caused by the preservative nature of the Wu Empire and the small resources and terrain of the Shu Han Empire.

And all because nobody has going directly to kill Cao Cao in a well prepared plot!
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