Six_and_Up wrote:Now Guan Yu's attack on Fan may have been the intitial phase of the Longzhong plan. Capturing Fan, Liu Bei has direct access to all of Wei's vital cities. Now it fails not because of Liu Bei's 'incompatibility' with the plan, but rather due to Wu's 'betrayal' of the alliance.
Does this then make Liu Bei a tragic hero--one who strives for some ideal but who's doomed from the start? If he had embraced Zhuge Liang's plan wholeheartedly and forget about that righteousness junk, would he have succeeded (despite the lack of popular approval)? Was there any other way other than Zhuge Liang's?
Elven Fury wrote:I think that this plan was flawed in thinking that Wu was a faithful ally for the attack, if this had been so then as soon as wei had bee taken, Wu would have turned on Shu in a heart beat, the same Shu turning on Wu, it would have been a great battle to see who was the best, Zhuge Liang V Lu Xun, so i mean it was flawed and it wouldnt have worked in the long run, boy i can get off topic sometimes...
extracted from Zhuge Liang's SGZ bio wrote:外结好孙权
Six_and_Up wrote:Well i still view Guan Yu's invasion of Fan as stage one of the Longzhong plan.
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