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Unread postby Frank » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:34 pm

It would be a good thing to see. A totally in-your-face, don't mess with me Han Emperor that takes crap from nobody!

But, seriously. He would assert more authority, and not be pushed around by the likes of the 10 Eunuchs, Dong Zhuo, and Cao Cao. He would have gotten business done himself, deal with all of his own problems. He wouldn't play around with these guys and be their puppet. He'd ask any feudal lords still loyal to him to join him, and he'd "deal" with everybody else.
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Unread postby n06guy » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:19 am

Theres no way he an "in you face" emperor could have lasted. Whoever was in control of the Capital, be it Dong Zhuo, Li Jue, or Cao Cao probably would have had him removed, and placed a puppet Emperor in his stead.

Also if the Emperor made a call to arms to protect him, its not like those who respond could get there fast enough for him to survive the wrath of the warlord in charge.
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Unread postby LiuBeiwasGreat » Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:10 am

n06guy wrote:Theres no way he an "in you face" emperor could have lasted. Whoever was in control of the Capital, be it Dong Zhuo, Li Jue, or Cao Cao probably would have had him removed, and placed a puppet Emperor in his stead.

Also if the Emperor made a call to arms to protect him, its not like those who respond could get there fast enough for him to survive the wrath of the warlord in charge.


The only problem with Cao Cao removing the emperor is the same thing would happen to him that happened to Dong Zhou. Revolts would spring up everywhere.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:50 am

Sima Hui wrote:Posted in a duplicate thread:

Fou Lu wrote:I know relatively little. I haven't finished the novel, I've read most of Sima Guang's history of the period.
From what i understand, in 219, Sun Quan betrayed Liu Bei, and invaded Jing and Guan Yu, and killed him. I want to know what people think would have happened if Guan Yu had continued to campaign there. Would Liu Bei have made serious gains, because it appeared to me that Cao Cao was worried about Guan Yu


Might I direct people to this thread in the archives: http://the-scholars.com/viewtopic.php?t=2806
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Unread postby Mistelten » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:07 am

I think a ass-kicking Emperor would have been just the thing the country needed(as long as he wasn't a tyrant)! Think like Harrison Ford in Air Force One. A lot of times reading the novel, I just wonder why doesn't the emperor go out there and admonish his common soldiers.
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Unread postby Sima Hui » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:23 pm

Well everyone, there is an example of an Emperor who "takes no crap" in the novel.

His name was Cao Mao. Need I say more?

By the time of Xian, central Han authority was over. There was no way that he could take control even if he wanted to. 99% of the troops were loyal to whoever was controlling the Emperor.
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Unread postby Frank » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:31 pm

I would have mentioned Cao Mao, but I think we were refering to a Han emperor. Otherwise, Cao Mao... that guy got things done. He knew Sima Zhao had aspirations for the throne, so he took his own troops out against him.
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Unread postby Mistelten » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:32 pm

He's the one who yelled something like "Who dares defy the son of heaven?!" right? If so, then he was the one I was thinking of when I posted. Too bad the last Han emperors didn't have his courage.
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Unread postby Sima Hui » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:37 pm

And that is why they died peaceful deaths, they weren't stupid enough to fight a futile battle.
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Unread postby Rommel » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:38 pm

Sima Hui wrote:By the time of Xian, central Han authority was over. There was no way that he could take control even if he wanted to. 99% of the troops were loyal to whoever was controlling the Emperor.


I guess that central Han authority was over long before Dong Zhou's time. Not only the Han emperors became younger and younger when crowned the life span was shorter and shorter one emperor after the others. The real powers had fallen into hands of enunches and emperors' mothers and their related family. None of late Han's emperors were capable not to mention about any ambition. Han walked to its death slowly after Wang Mang's rebellion.
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