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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby To Establish Peace » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:07 am

Jolt wrote:
greencactaur wrote:What if Lu Bu never betrayed Liu Bei, and ended up a loyal general under him? I know this would NEVER happen, but what do you guys think would happen in this hypothetical situation? :shock: :shock:


Part of the problem is that, when he arrived at Liu Bei's Xu, Lu Bu had far more prestige and influence, (even though he had, to our knowledge no clan contacts that other families had) than Liu Bei did, and just as importantly, his own army and officer corps. Lu Bu was the one that killed the tyrant and restored the Han, and fought to defend it. Liu Bei? Liu Bei was just some ambitious general turned regional warlord, who was handed his authority from Tao Qian, not from the Han Court or the Anti-Dong Zhuo coalition.


So how about this: what if Liu Bei just straight up eliminates Lu Bu the minute he gets into Xu? Kills him, sends his head to Cao Cao as a peace offering or something like that. Could that be a remotely viable strategy?
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:08 am

Killing a more famous general who has come to take refugee under you is probably a bad PR move and his officer core would likely not react well
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby PeanutButterToast » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:57 am

What if Liu Bei (for whatever reason) decided to join the Yellow Turbans as soon as the revolt broke out? Like, before Liu Yan started putting up the posters requesting volunteers and stuff? Impossible he'd do such a thing, I realize, but still what if?
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:46 am

Two different things could happen I guess. I doubt Liu Bei and the brothers would have been promoted rapidly enough up the ranks of the Yellow Turbans to make a difference as the rebellion floundered quick quickly. So possibly they might have died before making a difference. With no Liu Bei I wonder if Cao Cao would have united China in his life time.

Alternatively bands of former YT rebels wandered around for years after the main rebellion was defeated, sometimes getting squashed by warlords and sometimes being absorbed. Liu Bei was a fairly minor figure with a small following when he joined Gongsun Zan's army and his status was more based on his former relationship with Zan. I see no reason why a former-YT Liu Bei wouldn't join his friend Zan and then things could have progressed largely the same as in history from there. Although he might have found it harder to recruit the Han loyalists Zhuge Liang and Zhao Yun having taken part in a rebellion against the Imperial line (might have made a harder job for his propaganda machine as well! :lol: ).
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby PeanutButterToast » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:50 am

Sun Fin wrote: Although he might have found it harder to recruit the Han loyalists Zhuge Liang and Zhao Yun having taken part in a rebellion against the Imperial line (might have made a harder job for his propaganda machine as well! :lol: ).

Lol yeah good point.
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:34 pm

Yeah I think 14 was the expected age
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:04 pm

I think you posted that in the wrong thread DZ? Perhaps the Questions one? :lol:
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:05 pm

I believe people should be forced to search for answers :P
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:07 pm

Well that would be an interesting approach to forums. :lol:
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby PeanutButterToast » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:18 pm

What if instead of fighting for supreme rule of the land, Liu Bei, Cao Cao and Sun Quan just decided to form a constitutional monarchy with a Parliament and all that?

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