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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby DragonAtma » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:13 pm

That.... would be extremely unlikely.

Remember, confuciuanism (and therefore china) ran off of rigid lines of relationships: ruler to people, father to son, husband to wife, elder brother to younger brother, and friend to friend. So they would consider replacing a leader with someone without rank unthinkable.
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby PeanutButterToast » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:54 pm

DragonAtma wrote:That.... would be extremely unlikely.

Remember, confuciuanism (and therefore china) ran off of rigid lines of relationships: ruler to people, father to son, husband to wife, elder brother to younger brother, and friend to friend. So they would consider replacing a leader with someone without rank unthinkable.


Ah. I admit I know next to nothing about Confucianism. So even if Emperor Xian was still the main monarch, it still wouldn't work, eh? Oh well. It was a shot.
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:44 am

Not sure the three of them have the personalities or shared interest to do so and not sure, bar possibly Cao Cao, who benefits. Liu Bei has a small base behind him and given attitudes towards the south till Wu came along, Wu's people would risk being screwed in a deal.

Also think gentry would rebel, would be such a radical idea that China isn't set up for.
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby DragonAtma » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:55 pm

Actually, a year or two ago I thought about different outcomes for Cao Mao vs Sima Zhao, and one possibility was a desperate Cao Mao and his rump state begging for assistance... from Liu Shan and Sun Xiu.

Obviously, that didn't happen.

EDIT: I should add that the closest ancient China could get to a republic would be something like modern Liechtenstein or Monaco; both of them are technically constitutional monarchies, but in both cases the prince has a lot more power than (say) Elizabeth II.
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby To Establish Peace » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:17 pm

How would Liu Bang/Xiang Yu/Zhang Liang/Han Xin/Xiao He would do in the 3k era? I personally think that the level of competition in the 3k era would prevent Bang form unifying China again but i think they'd get pretty far. For the sake of argument, they're not the historical personages but random generals/bureaucrats with the same personality/talent/etc.
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:25 am

I don't believe I've ever seen this asked before...

If Sun Jian had defected to Dong Zhuo when approached what might have happened?
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Re: The "What If" Thread

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:57 am

Alliance fails, Dong doesn't need to move out of the capital. This might have given Wang Yu and co a stronger base to restore the Han from, not sure if Dong had the energy to push on against the rebels he defeated but with a stronger powerbase he might well do so.
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