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Lu Bu. Powerful or Pathetic?

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:23 pm
by Sima Hui
I hear that Lu Bu was the greatest warrior during the 3 kingdoms. But what do YOU think? Personally I think his power was exaggerated but that he was a match for Guan Yu.

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:33 pm
by Ts'ao Jian
Going by SGYY... Lu Bu was the most powerful warrior. He held even with Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, and Liu Bei until they tired him out and he ran off.

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:03 pm
by EERman
he was the strongest warrior of the time. like Ts'ao Jian said, he held of guan yu, zhang fei, and liu bei. no one matched his power.

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:18 pm
by Asellas
Lu Bu was quite pathetic in my opinion. Sure he was strong, could take down many soldiers but that is really all he was good for. He betrayed his father for a beautiful women, Diao Chan whom is fictional (The name and person though apprently she was a maiden but not Diao Chan), he listened to Cheng Gong too much and he never really cared about unifying China at the beginning, just about showing off his prowess and skill.
Heh, he was an incompetent foolish warrior if you ask me who never did hold off the "three brothers" historically.
He was one for a short temper oh and getting drunk because he had no discipline.
Why did Song Xian, Wei Xu and all defect... though he wasthe most or one of them in his prime but deficient as well.

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:26 pm
by Morg
I see Lu Bu as being an incredibly powerful fighter but he didn't have the necessary talents to be a leader or ruler. I don't see him as being pathetic because not everyone has what it takes to lead, I just see him as being an ambitious guy who gained more power than he could successfully wield.

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:40 pm
by XuShu
In my opinion, as a warrior, he was the best of the best. But in every other aspect, he is worthless, and pathetic overall. Since I thought that this post was about strength, I put down that he was strong.

My true opinion is that he is hopeless and not very good at anything except turning traitor.

Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:54 pm
by Lafeel
As a warrior Lu Bu was a incredibly powerfull adversary, but his weaknesses really outweigh his abillities. For example he was easily manipulated bu people, I can think of many exaples where he was manipulated into doing things. For example when he killed his father and joined Dong Zhuo. At least that is my opinion.

Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:32 am
by Lu Wei
Pathetic. A traitorous man who didnt need much to switch sides. I despise him, as he ruined a great man (Chen Gong). Chen Gong could have saved Xuzhou from Cao Cao if Lu Bu had listened, but unfortunately he didnt. Maybe if Chen Gong had arrived when Liu Bei was in control, things would have been MUCH different.

Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:00 am
by White Horse General
Definatly powerful.

He fought Guan Yu, Zhange Fei, and Liu Bei alone. During his battles with Cao Cao he fought off several of Cao Cao's generals at once ( I believe it was Six ). Nobody could match Lu Bu ( I think they even have Cao Cao saying that himself in the novel ); just as when Ma Chao struck fear into Cao Cao from his physical prowress he exclaimed " He's another Lu Bu! ".

Lu Bu's defeat however is he never took good advice when it was given to him. In all honesty Chen Gong was a very smart man in my opinion who produced nothing but sound and effective strategy, but hardly even half the time would Lu Bu listen to it. I honestly believe had Lu Bu listened to Chen Gong much more often: between that, his own power, and with men like Zhang Liao under him, the Three Kingdoms era could have turned out dramatically differant.

Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:07 am
by Koichi
The Three Kingdoms was a period renowned for the martial prowess of their warriors. Yet Lu Bu was popularly believed to be the strongest of all of them. A man like that just cannot be defined as pathetic. Even going by the novel, Lu Bu's worst traits were shared by a number of other characters.

1) Lu Bu ignored advice- oh come on, the better question is which ruler in the novel NEVER ignored advice? Rulers have their ambitions and their own way of doing it. Only in hindsight can we judge good or bad advice.

2) Lu Bu was emotional- It's true Lu Bu ignored sound, military advice to take care of his wife and daughter. Numerous times in the novel, Liu Bei also ignored good advice because he held to his beliefs (Xuzhou+ Jingzhou) or was driven by his emotions (Yiling).

3) Lu Bu betrayed his masters- Ok that was pretty bad. In my opinion that's actually his worst quality, one that's difficult to match in the novel. Yet very often, when a certain other purple-bearded, green-eyed character of whom shall remain nameless *wink wink* was berated for betraying an ally, people were very supportive of him because he was just looking out for himself. Well, the Three Kingdoms favored opportunists and Lu Bu was also looking out for himself.